re: [backstage] Newstime on BanterTV

[James Crowley]

(first post to this list - hello everyone!)

Previously known as the "Live Mesh" platform (Microsoft loves changing names 
every 30 seconds to keep us on our toes).

You can find out more at http://dev.live.com/ . There's a whole load of 
services around online/offline synchronization, alert services, sharing data 
(such as contacts, calendars, photos  etc)... and it all ties into the Windows 
Azure platform too, but still getting my head around it!

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stefan Richter
Sent: 28 October 2008 19:20
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] Newstime on BanterTV

sounds interesting. What exactly is the Live Service or Framework?

Stefan

On 28 Oct 2008, at 18:08, Brian Butterworth wrote:


Hi Stefan,

Have you seen this?

http://www.betanews.com/article/PDC_2008_Live_blog_of_the_Windows_7_keynote/1225207963

"10:44am PT: The BBC is doing a demonstration of integrating the Live Framework 
with the BBC iPlayer. Users can see what their friends are watching, and see 
the most popular programs."
2008/10/28 Stefan Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi all,
today I'd like to draw your attention to a site which I have recently launched.

www.bantertv.com pulls in the currently available BBC 
simulcast streams and adds a chat interface. Sounds simple - and it is. However 
noone seems to have done it yet, and I think combining live TV with a channel 
for interaction between viewers is hugely attractive.
So if you have nothing better to do at 1pm then head over and watch the one 
o'clock news there.

If you like the idea - and the BBC is not too miffed about the project - then 
I'd like you to help spread the word. I have a few more 'social' features 
waiting to be switched on but quite frankly there's not much point in doing 
that until there's a core group of visitors bringing some traffic. Once that 
happens though I am sure that the conversations will be interesting to watch - 
imagine Eastenders (once the main BBC channels go simulstream), or Strictly 
come Dancing.

A bit of background about myself (since this is my first real contribution to 
the list):
I'm a Flash Platform developer specialising in Flash video, Flash Media Server 
and real-time capabilities in Flash. My company is 
www.muchosmedia.com and my personal blog is at 
www.flashcomguru.com
I'm currently bootstrapping the development of some Flash based services, the 
first one being www.scribblar.com, an online 
collaboration tool. As you can see on BanterTV, I also build a lot of chat 
applications, some of which include live audio and video (via webcam/mic).

I'm looking forward to getting more involved in this group (and I think I have 
something ping.fm related to post soon).

Best wishes,

Stefan



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Re: [backstage] Newstime on BanterTV

[Stefan Richter]

sounds interesting. What exactly is the Live Service or Framework?

Stefan

On 28 Oct 2008, at 18:08, Brian Butterworth wrote:


Hi Stefan,

Have you seen this?

http://www.betanews.com/article/PDC_2008_Live_blog_of_the_Windows_7_keynote/1225207963

"10:44am PT: The BBC is doing a demonstration of integrating the  
Live Framework with the BBC iPlayer. Users can see what their  
friends are watching, and see the most popular programs."


2008/10/28 Stefan Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi all,
today I'd like to draw your attention to a site which I have  
recently launched.


www.bantertv.com pulls in the currently available BBC simulcast  
streams and adds a chat interface. Sounds simple - and it is.  
However noone seems to have done it yet, and I think combining live  
TV with a channel for interaction between viewers is hugely  
attractive.
So if you have nothing better to do at 1pm then head over and watch  
the one o'clock news there.


If you like the idea - and the BBC is not too miffed about the  
project - then I'd like you to help spread the word. I have a few  
more 'social' features waiting to be switched on but quite frankly  
there's not much point in doing that until there's a core group of  
visitors bringing some traffic. Once that happens though I am sure  
that the conversations will be interesting to watch - imagine  
Eastenders (once the main BBC channels go simulstream), or Strictly  
come Dancing.


A bit of background about myself (since this is my first real  
contribution to the list):
I'm a Flash Platform developer specialising in Flash video, Flash  
Media Server and real-time capabilities in Flash. My company is www.muchosmedia.com 
 and my personal blog is at www.flashcomguru.com
I'm currently bootstrapping the development of some Flash based  
services, the first one being www.scribblar.com, an online  
collaboration tool. As you can see on BanterTV, I also build a lot  
of chat applications, some of which include live audio and video  
(via webcam/mic).


I'm looking forward to getting more involved in this group (and I  
think I have something ping.fm related to post soon).


Best wishes,

Stefan



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Re: [backstage] Newstime on BanterTV

[Brian Butterworth]

Hi Stefan,
Have you seen this?

http://www.betanews.com/article/PDC_2008_Live_blog_of_the_Windows_7_keynote/1225207963

"*10:44am PT:* The BBC is doing a demonstration of integrating the Live
Framework with the BBC iPlayer. Users can see what their friends are
watching, and see the most popular programs."

2008/10/28 Stefan Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Hi all,
> today I'd like to draw your attention to a site which I have recently
> launched.
>
> www.bantertv.com pulls in the currently available BBC simulcast streams
> and adds a chat interface. Sounds simple - and it is. However noone seems to
> have done it yet, and I think combining live TV with a channel for
> interaction between viewers is hugely attractive.
> So if you have nothing better to do at 1pm then head over and watch the one
> o'clock news there.
>
> If you like the idea - and the BBC is not too miffed about the project -
> then I'd like you to help spread the word. I have a few more 'social'
> features waiting to be switched on but quite frankly there's not much point
> in doing that until there's a core group of visitors bringing some traffic.
> Once that happens though I am sure that the conversations will be
> interesting to watch - imagine Eastenders (once the main BBC channels go
> simulstream), or Strictly come Dancing.
>
> A bit of background about myself (since this is my first real contribution
> to the list):
> I'm a Flash Platform developer specialising in Flash video, Flash Media
> Server and real-time capabilities in Flash. My company is
> www.muchosmedia.com and my personal blog is at www.flashcomguru.com
> I'm currently bootstrapping the development of some Flash based services,
> the first one being www.scribblar.com, an online collaboration tool. As
> you can see on BanterTV, I also build a lot of chat applications, some of
> which include live audio and video (via webcam/mic).
>
> I'm looking forward to getting more involved in this group (and I think I
> have something ping.fm related to post soon).
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Stefan
>
>
>
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RE: [backstage] ping.fm

[Ian Forrester]

Doesn't Jaiku and Indenti.ca/Laconi.ca have groups?
 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alun Rowe
Sent: 28 October 2008 10:50
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] ping.fm


 

Groups on Twitter/Pownce/Ping etc would be the killer feature for me!


On 28/10/2008 12:17, "Chris Sizemore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



so it seems to me that Ping.fm is a pretty useful thing, but just needs 
a fair bit more subtlety? i.e. different distribution lists? or is that already 
available?


--cs








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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Sam Mbale
Sent: Tue 10/28/2008 10:50 AM
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] ping.fm

Alun has a good point, anyone here remembers the good ole days of "the 
free
for all links" ? (see
http://mpelembe.blogware.com/blog/_archives/2005/12/19/3925166.html )
 In my experience, different social networks attract different types of
people. My friends on hi5 are totally different to those on Myspace and
Facebook. My followers on twitter do not share my interests on Digg. For
this reason I make an effort to address friends in the appropriate 
context
rather than blast off the same post to everyone.

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 8:13 AM, Alun Rowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>
> To me updating so many services at once feels a bit spammy.  I often
> finding myself cursing when pownce, facebook, Twitter etc all tell me 
the
> same thing by the same person at the same time...
>
>
> On 28 Oct 2008, at 06:36, "Dave Cross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Ian Forrester wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah this is the thing I'm really worried about happening. Ping.fm
>>> currently is my preferred way to do microblogging. Without it, geez
>>> it would be bad news. Surprised no ones created a ping.fm type thing
>>> for the desktop.
>>>
>>> Interesting piece about ping.fm -
>>>
>>> 
http://mashable.com/2008/09/02/pingfm-solving-the-problem-or-exacerbating-it/
>>>
>>
>> The thing that bothers me about ping.fm (and the reason that I won't 
use
>> it) is that it encourages you to give your username and password for 
all
>> of the supported services to a third party.
>>
>> I'll only start using it once the services that I'm interested in are
>> all suing OAuth.
>>
>> Dave...
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RE: [backstage] BBC Backstage ideas store

[Ian Forrester]

Ah excellent, so you might be help with the administration/moderation of the 
Backstage Idea store then ;)

I think you hit the nail on the head. Launchpad, Trac, Bugzilla, etc are bug 
tracking tools and don't lend themselves well to ideas and abstracts. Get 
satisfaction is cool but once again we're using cloud software for something I 
believe we could do on our infrastructure. Plus it mixes bugs with ideas.

So Brainstorm made sense. The amount of emails I get from people asking for 
certain data sets so they can do this or that is enough to warrant this. Plus I 
think having these out in the open, means you can rally around a idea which 
means when I go speak to the guy from the Digital 2012 Olympics about a 
possible idea. I can clear state the idea and who's interested.

Its also a chance for BBC employees to also throw up ideas and see if they 
stick with the community. Maybe iplayer on Windows Mobile gets poopoo'ed by the 
iplayer team but I throw the idea up and thousands of windows mobile users vote 
it up and leave comments about what it would mean for them.

Basically the power is in your hands, now go add ideas :)

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Pope
Sent: 28 October 2008 12:02
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Backstage ideas store

2008/10/28 Mr I Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> So idea torrent is brainstorm or brainstorm is the ubuntu name for the 
> same thing. I've not setup the filters yet.
>

The Ubuntu Brainstorm website came about a little over six months ago.
It was some code sat on top of drupal cms. Not much of drupal itself was used, 
mainly just the authentication and rendering bit. People called for the 
brainstorm code to be opened up so others could setup these ideastorm type 
sites. So yes, it looks like you're sharing the same/similar code base as 
Ubuntu brainstorm.

I've been helping moderate the site since near the start, and we have found it 
a surprisingly popular way of gathering ideas from people.
Whilst we already have infrastructure for submitting bugs 
(http://launchpad.net/), brainstorm users a real easy way to express what 
they'd like to see changed/improved/removed from Ubuntu.

Cheers,
Al.
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RE: [backstage] TV Schedule web api

[Anthony McKale]

hi chris, 

Thanks for clearing that all up,

Since I'm just doing a wee prototype of a 3d scheduler I'll use
The backstage api and when/if it gets commissioned fully, I'll 
reimplement the schedule grabber code with the programmes system

Cheers

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From: Chris Newell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 28 October 2008 12:10
To: Anthony McKale
Cc: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: RE: [backstage] TV Schedule web api

Anthony,

At 16:58 2008-10-27, you wrote:
>I've tried playing around with the system, I know the service is new 
>and is in development, so with that in mind I do have a few wee 
>questions:
>
>1. Is there anyway to get a complete list of valid services/channels Eg

>tried bbcone as a service and stuff but it didn't work 
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcone/programmes/schedules.xml
>
>2. Does the programmes system have any search capabilities like this 
>http://www0.rdthdo.bbc.co.uk/services/api/bbc.programme.search.html
>
>3. Are there any examples of the more complex options in action ?
>eg
>/:service/programmes/schedules{/:outlet}/:year/:month/:day
>{/:service}/programmes/genres/:genre1{/:genre2{/:genre3}}/schedules/:ye
>a
>r/:month/:day
>
>4. Is there anyway of getting information on non-groupPID Eg individual

>programme info on like this balamory ep 
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0078k5m

It's true that /programmes doesn't yet duplicate all the functionality
of the experimental Backstage Web API. However, I know that the service
is under active development and the /programmes team would probably be
very interested to see your requirements.

In the meantime you can use the Backstage Web API but bear in mind that,
in the longer term, the intention is that it will be superseded.

Chris

>Anyway it's nice system, sorry for the hundred and one question, look 
>forward to using it,
>
>Cheers
>
>Zap
>
>Ps
>Ouch well that's todays as3 api work out the window, just as I was 
>nearly finished  :-D
>
>Anthony Mckale, Actionscript Programmer Tel : 0141 42(26453) Mob : 
>07912981657 BBC FMT Scotland, PQ Room 3.27
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Chris Newell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: 27 October 2008 15:51
>To: Anthony McKale
>Cc: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
>Subject: Re: [backstage] TV Schedule web api
>
>At 15:05 2008-10-27, you wrote:
>>I was wondering if anyone knew if this web scheduling api was actively

>>maintained http://www0.rdthdo.bbc.co.uk/services/api/
>
>Anthony,
>
>The API is maintained but we would encourage you to use 
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/developers for new applications.
>
>>My question inparticular is:
>>If anyone minded if it was used directly by a user application, or 
>>would prefer if the results from it were cached in a file ?
>
>Many people use the API directly but you can also download bulk data 
>files from: http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/feeds/tvradio/
>
>Cheers,
>
>Chris
>
>
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Re: [backstage] Newstime on BanterTV

[Stefan Richter]

I definitely would, thanks Matt.

On 28 Oct 2008, at 13:28, Matt Barber wrote:


Stefan Richter wrote:

Hi all,
today I'd like to draw your attention to a site which I have  
recently launched.


Hi Stefan, nice to hear from you. Will take a look at your site  
later this afternoon. I am in Belgium so probably won't receive the  
stream, but can certainly comment on design and interaction, if you  
would like the feedback.


Thanks, Matt
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Re: [backstage] Newstime on BanterTV

[Matt Barber]

Stefan Richter wrote:

Hi all,
today I'd like to draw your attention to a site which I have recently 
launched.


Hi Stefan, nice to hear from you. Will take a look at your site later 
this afternoon. I am in Belgium so probably won't receive the stream, 
but can certainly comment on design and interaction, if you would like 
the feedback.


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[backstage] Newstime on BanterTV

[Stefan Richter]

Hi all,
today I'd like to draw your attention to a site which I have recently  
launched.


www.bantertv.com pulls in the currently available BBC simulcast  
streams and adds a chat interface. Sounds simple - and it is. However  
noone seems to have done it yet, and I think combining live TV with a  
channel for interaction between viewers is hugely attractive.
So if you have nothing better to do at 1pm then head over and watch  
the one o'clock news there.


If you like the idea - and the BBC is not too miffed about the project  
- then I'd like you to help spread the word. I have a few more  
'social' features waiting to be switched on but quite frankly there's  
not much point in doing that until there's a core group of visitors  
bringing some traffic. Once that happens though I am sure that the  
conversations will be interesting to watch - imagine Eastenders (once  
the main BBC channels go simulstream), or Strictly come Dancing.


A bit of background about myself (since this is my first real  
contribution to the list):
I'm a Flash Platform developer specialising in Flash video, Flash  
Media Server and real-time capabilities in Flash. My company is www.muchosmedia.com 
 and my personal blog is at www.flashcomguru.com
I'm currently bootstrapping the development of some Flash based  
services, the first one being www.scribblar.com, an online  
collaboration tool. As you can see on BanterTV, I also build a lot of  
chat applications, some of which include live audio and video (via  
webcam/mic).


I'm looking forward to getting more involved in this group (and I  
think I have something ping.fm related to post soon).


Best wishes,

Stefan



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RE: [backstage] TV Schedule web api

[Chris Newell]

Anthony,

At 16:58 2008-10-27, you wrote:
>I've tried playing around with the system, I know the service 
>is new and is in development, so with that in mind I do have 
>a few wee questions:
>
>1. Is there anyway to get a complete list of valid services/channels
>Eg tried bbcone as a service and stuff but it didn't work 
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcone/programmes/schedules.xml
>
>2. Does the programmes system have any search capabilities like this
>http://www0.rdthdo.bbc.co.uk/services/api/bbc.programme.search.html
>
>3. Are there any examples of the more complex options in action ?
>eg
>/:service/programmes/schedules{/:outlet}/:year/:month/:day
>{/:service}/programmes/genres/:genre1{/:genre2{/:genre3}}/schedules/:yea
>r/:month/:day
>
>4. Is there anyway of getting information on non-groupPID
>Eg individual programme info on like this balamory ep
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0078k5m

It's true that /programmes doesn't yet duplicate all the functionality of the 
experimental Backstage Web API. However, I know that the service is under 
active development and the /programmes team would probably be very interested 
to see your requirements.

In the meantime you can use the Backstage Web API but bear in mind that, in the 
longer term, the intention is that it will be superseded.

Chris

>Anyway it's nice system, sorry for the hundred and one question,
>look forward to using it,
>
>Cheers
>
>Zap
>
>Ps
>Ouch well that's todays as3 api work out the window, just as I
>was nearly finished  :-D
>
>Anthony Mckale, Actionscript Programmer
>Tel : 0141 42(26453)
>Mob : 07912981657
>BBC FMT Scotland, PQ Room 3.27
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Chris Newell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: 27 October 2008 15:51
>To: Anthony McKale
>Cc: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
>Subject: Re: [backstage] TV Schedule web api
>
>At 15:05 2008-10-27, you wrote:
>>I was wondering if anyone knew if this web scheduling api was actively 
>>maintained http://www0.rdthdo.bbc.co.uk/services/api/
>
>Anthony,
>
>The API is maintained but we would encourage you to use
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/developers for new applications.
>
>>My question inparticular is:
>>If anyone minded if it was used directly by a user application, or 
>>would prefer if the results from it were cached in a file ?
>
>Many people use the API directly but you can also download bulk data
>files from: http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/feeds/tvradio/ 
>
>Cheers,
>
>Chris
>
>
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Re: [backstage] BBC Backstage ideas store

[Alan Pope]

2008/10/28 Mr I Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> So idea torrent is brainstorm or brainstorm is the ubuntu name for the
> same thing. I've not setup the filters yet.
>

The Ubuntu Brainstorm website came about a little over six months ago.
It was some code sat on top of drupal cms. Not much of drupal itself
was used, mainly just the authentication and rendering bit. People
called for the brainstorm code to be opened up so others could setup
these ideastorm type sites. So yes, it looks like you're sharing the
same/similar code base as Ubuntu brainstorm.

I've been helping moderate the site since near the start, and we have
found it a surprisingly popular way of gathering ideas from people.
Whilst we already have infrastructure for submitting bugs
(http://launchpad.net/), brainstorm users a real easy way to express
what they'd like to see changed/improved/removed from Ubuntu.

Cheers,
Al.
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Re: [backstage] ping.fm

[Alun Rowe]

 
Groups on Twitter/Pownce/Ping etc would be the killer feature for me!


On 28/10/2008 12:17, "Chris Sizemore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> so it seems to me that Ping.fm is a pretty useful thing, but just needs a fair
> bit more subtlety? i.e. different distribution lists? or is that already
> available?
> 
> 
> --cs
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Sam Mbale
> Sent: Tue 10/28/2008 10:50 AM
> To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [backstage] ping.fm
> 
> Alun has a good point, anyone here remembers the good ole days of "the free
> for all links" ? (see
> http://mpelembe.blogware.com/blog/_archives/2005/12/19/3925166.html )
>  In my experience, different social networks attract different types of
> people. My friends on hi5 are totally different to those on Myspace and
> Facebook. My followers on twitter do not share my interests on Digg. For
> this reason I make an effort to address friends in the appropriate context
> rather than blast off the same post to everyone.
> 
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 8:13 AM, Alun Rowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> 
>> >
>> > To me updating so many services at once feels a bit spammy.  I often
>> > finding myself cursing when pownce, facebook, Twitter etc all tell me the
>> > same thing by the same person at the same time...
>> >
>> >
>> > On 28 Oct 2008, at 06:36, "Dave Cross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> >  Ian Forrester wrote:
>>> >>
 >>> Yeah this is the thing I'm really worried about happening. Ping.fm
 >>> currently is my preferred way to do microblogging. Without it, geez
 >>> it would be bad news. Surprised no ones created a ping.fm type thing
 >>> for the desktop.
 >>>
 >>> Interesting piece about ping.fm -
 >>>
 >>> 
 
http://mashable.com/2008/09/02/pingfm-solving-the-problem-or-exacerbating-it/
 >>>
>>> >>
>>> >> The thing that bothers me about ping.fm (and the reason that I won't use
>>> >> it) is that it encourages you to give your username and password for all
>>> >> of the supported services to a third party.
>>> >>
>>> >> I'll only start using it once the services that I'm interested in are
>>> >> all suing OAuth.
>>> >>
>>> >> Dave...
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Re: [backstage] BBC Backstage ideas store

[Dave Crossland]

2008/10/28 Mr I Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Odd I'll look into the submit problem, I think it might be permissions
> again.

The link is to 
http://ideas.welcomebackstage.com/ideatorrent/user?destination=submit/
and that 404s, and when logged in with the normal user account I have,
if I access http://ideas.welcomebackstage.com/ideatorrent/submit/
manually then there is a "Access denied" permissions problem.
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Re: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Dave Crossland]

http://koolu.com/ is going to sell OpenMoko Neo handsets with Android
preinstalled, btw.
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RE: [backstage] ping.fm

[Chris Sizemore]

so it seems to me that Ping.fm is a pretty useful thing, but just needs a fair 
bit more subtlety? i.e. different distribution lists? or is that already 
available?


--cs




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Sam Mbale
Sent: Tue 10/28/2008 10:50 AM
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] ping.fm
 
Alun has a good point, anyone here remembers the good ole days of "the free
for all links" ? (see
http://mpelembe.blogware.com/blog/_archives/2005/12/19/3925166.html )
 In my experience, different social networks attract different types of
people. My friends on hi5 are totally different to those on Myspace and
Facebook. My followers on twitter do not share my interests on Digg. For
this reason I make an effort to address friends in the appropriate context
rather than blast off the same post to everyone.

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 8:13 AM, Alun Rowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>
> To me updating so many services at once feels a bit spammy.  I often
> finding myself cursing when pownce, facebook, Twitter etc all tell me the
> same thing by the same person at the same time...
>
>
> On 28 Oct 2008, at 06:36, "Dave Cross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Ian Forrester wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah this is the thing I'm really worried about happening. Ping.fm
>>> currently is my preferred way to do microblogging. Without it, geez
>>> it would be bad news. Surprised no ones created a ping.fm type thing
>>> for the desktop.
>>>
>>> Interesting piece about ping.fm -
>>>
>>> http://mashable.com/2008/09/02/pingfm-solving-the-problem-or-exacerbating-it/
>>>
>>
>> The thing that bothers me about ping.fm (and the reason that I won't use
>> it) is that it encourages you to give your username and password for all
>> of the supported services to a third party.
>>
>> I'll only start using it once the services that I'm interested in are
>> all suing OAuth.
>>
>> Dave...
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Re: [backstage] BBC Backstage ideas store

[Mr I Forrester]

Thanks Al,

So idea torrent is brainstorm or brainstorm is the ubuntu name for the
same thing. I've not setup the filters yet.

Odd I'll look into the submit problem, I think it might be permissions
again.

Cheers

On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 01:39 +, Alan Pope wrote:
> 2008/10/28 Mr I Forrester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > So I urge you try it out and report back any error or problems you might
> > get.
> >
> 
> The "submit idea" link on the left seems broken (whether you are
> logged in or not)
> 
> http://ideas.welcomebackstage.com/ideatorrent/user?destination=submit/
> 
> In addition if you haven't already, you might want to take a look at
> the Ubuntu Brainstorm site:- http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ which has
> the same functionality (if not the same code base). Very early on we
> were asked for better selectivity when viewing ideas. Take a look at
> the site and you'll see down the left some of the options to allow
> visitors to filter the ideas in the database.
> 
> Cheers,
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RE: [backstage] Android UK launch set for Tuesday

[Matt Hammond]

Just came across this video:

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YFw9p0TjT8

Midway through this video (@ 1m40s), it fairly clearly implies there might  
actually be a proper magnetic compass in the G1 after all. The guys says  
you can spin around on the spot to rotate the Google Street View  
viewpoint. Thats rather nifty :-)




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Re: [backstage] ping.fm

[Sam Mbale]

Alun has a good point, anyone here remembers the good ole days of "the free
for all links" ? (see
http://mpelembe.blogware.com/blog/_archives/2005/12/19/3925166.html )
 In my experience, different social networks attract different types of
people. My friends on hi5 are totally different to those on Myspace and
Facebook. My followers on twitter do not share my interests on Digg. For
this reason I make an effort to address friends in the appropriate context
rather than blast off the same post to everyone.

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 8:13 AM, Alun Rowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>
> To me updating so many services at once feels a bit spammy.  I often
> finding myself cursing when pownce, facebook, Twitter etc all tell me the
> same thing by the same person at the same time...
>
>
> On 28 Oct 2008, at 06:36, "Dave Cross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Ian Forrester wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah this is the thing I'm really worried about happening. Ping.fm
>>> currently is my preferred way to do microblogging. Without it, geez
>>> it would be bad news. Surprised no ones created a ping.fm type thing
>>> for the desktop.
>>>
>>> Interesting piece about ping.fm -
>>>
>>> http://mashable.com/2008/09/02/pingfm-solving-the-problem-or-exacerbating-it/
>>>
>>
>> The thing that bothers me about ping.fm (and the reason that I won't use
>> it) is that it encourages you to give your username and password for all
>> of the supported services to a third party.
>>
>> I'll only start using it once the services that I'm interested in are
>> all suing OAuth.
>>
>> Dave...
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Re: [backstage] ping.fm

[Alun Rowe]

To me updating so many services at once feels a bit spammy.  I often  
finding myself cursing when pownce, facebook, Twitter etc all tell me  
the same thing by the same person at the same time...


On 28 Oct 2008, at 06:36, "Dave Cross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Ian Forrester wrote:

Yeah this is the thing I'm really worried about happening. Ping.fm
currently is my preferred way to do microblogging. Without it, geez
it would be bad news. Surprised no ones created a ping.fm type thing
for the desktop.

Interesting piece about ping.fm -
http://mashable.com/2008/09/02/pingfm-solving-the-problem-or-exacerbating-it/


The thing that bothers me about ping.fm (and the reason that I won't  
use
it) is that it encourages you to give your username and password for  
all

of the supported services to a third party.

I'll only start using it once the services that I'm interested in are
all suing OAuth.

Dave...
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