RE: [backstage] Clay Shirky: Newspapers and Thinking the Unthinkable

2009-03-17 Thread John O'Donovan
A blog reader does not replace all the things people buy a newspaper for in my criteria. If it did, Newspapers would be dead already, but there is more to it than this. If anything, reach and growth of newspapers on the internet is growing so you won't get to dance on their grave that easily. Ne

Re: [backstage] Clay Shirky: Newspapers and Thinking the Unthinkable

2009-03-17 Thread Richard P Edwards
I would tend to agree with you Tom. The "fun" side of this discussion is that most of the opinions are factual, yet as with the press, many of them will not be true once these changes have passed, especially those with a spoonful of fear factor. I can remember the uproar in the Docklands whe

Re: [backstage] Clay Shirky: Newspapers and Thinking the Unthinkable

2009-03-17 Thread Sean DALY
Network bridge when traveling with the kids... I have patched into the hotel Internet with the Ethernet adapter on one of the XO-1s then meshed them; I surfed on one while the kids surfed on the other (in the next room over), and when it was bedtime I knocked on the wall one minute before cutting t

Re: [backstage] Clay Shirky: Newspapers and Thinking the Unthinkable

2009-03-17 Thread Steve Jolly
Sean DALY wrote: I have two XO-1s from the previous G1G1s and a third I picked up on eBay. It's rather magical the way they look for and find each other in the mesh network. I've actually traveled with a pair instead of my usual laptop (the 2 XO-1s together aren't larger or heavier). Do you get

Re: [backstage] Clay Shirky: Newspapers and Thinking the Unthinkable

2009-03-17 Thread Sean DALY
Yes, it is indeed a pity that OLPC doesn't make XO-1s easily available outside of the annual G1G1 programme. However, that could change as they have recently decided to deploy widely in the USA and not just developing countries. I have two XO-1s from the previous G1G1s and a third I picked up on e

Re: [backstage] Clay Shirky: Newspapers and Thinking the Unthinkable

2009-03-17 Thread Brian Butterworth
Sorry, I had a Brianstorm... 2009/3/17 Dave Crossland > 2009/3/17 Brian Butterworth : > > That was quick of them... > > "Monday 12 May"? Looks like you've been stealing others' intellectual > property, Brian! :) > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > v

RE: [backstage] Clay Shirky: Newspapers and Thinking the Unthinkable

2009-03-17 Thread John O'Donovan
It would be a fascinating thing to see how a Times / Sky TV News would work together on a single proposition and which brand considered themselves stronger and most relevant. ::: John O'Donovan ::: Chief Architect, BBC FM&T Journalism ::: BBC Broadcast Centre ::: 201 Wood Lane, London W

Re: [backstage] Clay Shirky: Newspapers and Thinking the Unthinkable

2009-03-17 Thread Dave Crossland
2009/3/17 Brian Butterworth : > That was quick of them... "Monday 12 May"? Looks like you've been stealing others' intellectual property, Brian! :) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. U

Re: [backstage] Clay Shirky: Newspapers and Thinking the Unthinkable

2009-03-17 Thread Rob Myers
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Sean DALY wrote: > A key characteristic of a newspaper is that you can fold it up. > Foldable or rollable screens may yet arrive in the next few years, I > vaguely recall Samsung and Sony showing proof-of-concept and > prototypes the last year. If I get my fish &

Re: [backstage] Clay Shirky: Newspapers and Thinking the Unthinkable

2009-03-17 Thread Steve Jolly
Brian Butterworth wrote: It is very noticeable that WVM is not a DAB user... I was actually thinking of cross between a Kindle and an etch-a-sketch that can be dropped onto a road, get covered in cement dust and will still allow page 3 to be read.Something with an interface so simple that

Re: [backstage] Clay Shirky: Newspapers and Thinking the Unthinkable

2009-03-17 Thread Sean DALY
A key characteristic of a newspaper is that you can fold it up. Foldable or rollable screens may yet arrive in the next few years, I vaguely recall Samsung and Sony showing proof-of-concept and prototypes the last year. The Touch Book by Always Innovating is creating buzz, you leave the keyboard i

Re: [backstage] Clay Shirky: Newspapers and Thinking the Unthinkable

2009-03-17 Thread Brian Butterworth
That was quick of them... http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/may/12/thetimes.bskyb 2009/3/17 John O'Donovan > > > I like Brian's suggestion of Times TV and Sky News in a newsroom mash-up. > The thought has not passed them by entirely, though they offer different > types of journalism and are

Re: [backstage] Clay Shirky: Newspapers and Thinking the Unthinkable

2009-03-17 Thread Brian Butterworth
It is very noticeable that WVM is not a DAB user... I was actually thinking of cross between a Kindle and an etch-a-sketch that can be dropped onto a road, get covered in cement dust and will still allow page 3 to be read.Something with an interface so simple that it can be operated by "anyone

Re: [backstage] Clay Shirky: Newspapers and Thinking the Unthinkable

2009-03-17 Thread Tom Morris
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 11:15, Rob Myers wrote: > That would be disastrous. In the UK this would preclude investigating > anyone who has anything to do with the state in order to avoid > endangering the university's funding. And in general it would turn > journalism from the investigation of truth

Re: [backstage] Clay Shirky: Newspapers and Thinking the Unthinkable

2009-03-17 Thread Steve Jolly
Brian Butterworth wrote: And then there's that gizmo, the one that can deliver the Sun to "white van man" cheaply and reliably. The radio? S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Uno

Re: [backstage] Clay Shirky: Newspapers and Thinking the Unthinkable

2009-03-17 Thread Dave Crossland
2009/3/17 John O'Donovan : > > [those] in the newsroom should go get another job > to pay the bills so that they can support their journalism in their spare > time, sort themselves out and learn up about internet marketing and the > brave new world. > > Seriously? Yes. Professional bloggers have b