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At 20:04 +0100 27/5/07, Kim Plowright wrote: I _suspect_ they just fob people off and ignore complaints they dislike. Or maybe I was unlucky and the two people I communicated with didn't do their job properly? Audience comms and complaints are outsourced to Capita. - You missed out a letter r I believe? Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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Bloc not block ;) -Original Message- From: Gordon Joly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 May 2007 21:55 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Cc: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk; Timothy-john Bishop Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial At 17:43 +0100 28/5/07, Timothy-john Bishop wrote: No... the R is already there... It's just silent... I heard they will be running for the contract to deal with the complaints with the eurovision song contesting voting irregularities.. I thought the problem was with block voting by members of a ... block? Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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I _suspect_ they just fob people off and ignore complaints they dislike. Or maybe I was unlucky and the two people I communicated with didn't do their job properly? Audience comms and complaints are outsourced to Capita. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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And the call-tracking app is being developed by iSoft... ... Two wonderful companies -Original Message- From: Kim Plowright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 May 2007 20:04 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial I _suspect_ they just fob people off and ignore complaints they dislike. Or maybe I was unlucky and the two people I communicated with didn't do their job properly? Audience comms and complaints are outsourced to Capita. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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On 25/05/07, Colin Moorcraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I only got it once. Discrimination? Ofcom will hear of this... - Colin Good luck with that; I tried to complain to Ofcom about the recent Panorama on WiFi (The whole thing was blatently misleading, factually wrong and biased), but appeantly Ofcom dosn't deal with bias or factual innacuracy in BBC programming (they sent me a letter with the address of the BBC trust, so I could waste my time complaining to them instead). So they probably don't deal with bias in email distribution either.
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On 26/05/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good luck with that; I tried to complain to Ofcom about the recent Panorama on WiFi I think you may want to look at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/ Doubt it will do much good though. In my experience they feed you false information on the first complaint. On the second they tell you that it will take them time to look into it, and that they will respond ASAP. 6 months on and still waiting!!! I _suspect_ they just fob people off and ignore complaints they dislike. Or maybe I was unlucky and the two people I communicated with didn't do their job properly? Andy -- First they ignore you then they laugh at you then they fight you then you win. - Mohandas Gandhi - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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I _suspect_ they just fob people off and ignore complaints they dislike. Or maybe I was unlucky and the two people I communicated with didn't do their job properly? Nope, that's normal; I used that site to complain about the changes to the 606 message boards, I was directed to a URL that I'd already read, and made reference to in the complaint. I'm sure they didn't even read the complaint properly; I think they just saw the words 606 and message boards and gave me a formula reply... Vijay.
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I just received an e-mail which seemed to confirm I was part of the trial - excerpt: We'll e-mail you your account details in just a few weeks and then you'll have access to hundreds of hours of programmes. :D! On 19/04/07, Matthew Cashmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It¹ll take a few weeks I would imagine before you¹ll hear much the list is getting blasted at the moment as you¹d expect! I¹ll post up more information as I know it. m On 19/4/07 15:53, Paul Jefferson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you know when we will hear if we are in or not? (Or is the fact that I've not heard mean I'm not in?) Paul (Long Time Lurker) On 19/04/07, James Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 19 Apr 2007, at 14:39, Scot McSweeney-Roberts wrote: James Cox wrote: I hope that if this gets past the various layers of governance and gets budget to become a 'real' project, some effort into hooking up into bittorrent (I'm sure Bram could come up with some trickery to have certified users (ie, license fee payers ;)) only which would permit some kind of higher bandwidth product. I've never really felt comfortable with distributed P2P for content that I've paid for. It's great when bittorrent is used for transfering ubuntu iso's around (as it's members of a community helping others in the same community), it's less great but at least makes some sense when it's used for piracy (as it's still a members of a community helping other members in a community, all be it an illicit one) but when it comes to content that I'm paying somebody to send to me, I don't see why I should waste my upload bandwith for someone else's business model. Even with content from the BBC, I pay the licence fee so why should I pay in bandwidth as well? Fair enough, but i love the fact I can grab an ISO or ... er... certain content very rapidly using the P2P model. Since I pay a flat rate anyhow, and i've got loads of upload bandwidth to use, I'm not that fussed. :) - james - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk http://backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC4B5, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TS T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) -- Gary Kirk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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Me three ;-)) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Kirk Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 5:45 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial I just received an e-mail which seemed to confirm I was part of the trial - excerpt: We'll e-mail you your account details in just a few weeks and then you'll have access to hundreds of hours of programmes. :D! On 19/04/07, Matthew Cashmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It¹ll take a few weeks I would imagine before you¹ll hear much the list is getting blasted at the moment as you¹d expect! I¹ll post up more information as I know it. m On 19/4/07 15:53, Paul Jefferson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you know when we will hear if we are in or not? (Or is the fact that I've not heard mean I'm not in?) Paul (Long Time Lurker) On 19/04/07, James Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 19 Apr 2007, at 14:39, Scot McSweeney-Roberts wrote: James Cox wrote: I hope that if this gets past the various layers of governance and gets budget to become a 'real' project, some effort into hooking up into bittorrent (I'm sure Bram could come up with some trickery to have certified users (ie, license fee payers ;)) only which would permit some kind of higher bandwidth product. I've never really felt comfortable with distributed P2P for content that I've paid for. It's great when bittorrent is used for transfering ubuntu iso's around (as it's members of a community helping others in the same community), it's less great but at least makes some sense when it's used for piracy (as it's still a members of a community helping other members in a community, all be it an illicit one) but when it comes to content that I'm paying somebody to send to me, I don't see why I should waste my upload bandwith for someone else's business model. Even with content from the BBC, I pay the licence fee so why should I pay in bandwidth as well? Fair enough, but i love the fact I can grab an ISO or ... er... certain content very rapidly using the P2P model. Since I pay a flat rate anyhow, and i've got loads of upload bandwidth to use, I'm not that fussed. :) - james - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk http://backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC4B5, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TS T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) -- Gary Kirk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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On Fri, May 25, 2007 at 05:44:50PM +0100, Gary Kirk wrote: I just received an e-mail which seemed to confirm I was part of the trial - excerpt: We'll e-mail you your account details in just a few weeks and then you'll have access to hundreds of hours of programmes. So did I. Well I got it twice to be precise - sent date within 6 minutes of each other. -- Andy Leighton = [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Lord is my shepherd, but we still lost the sheep dog trials - Robert Rankin, _They Came And Ate Us_ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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No I got two too. I assume most or all people did. On 25/05/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 25/05/07, Andy Leighton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So did I. Well I got it twice to be precise - sent date within 6 minutes of each other. The same thing happened to me; does mean I took up two invites...? -- Gary Kirk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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I only got it once. Discrimination? Ofcom will hear of this... - Colin On 25 May 2007, at 21:08, Ciaran Hamilton wrote: I got it twice too, actually - I meant to say that but I forgot. Seems a little weird. I'm guessing it's just a glitch. On 25/05/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 25/05/07, Andy Leighton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So did I. Well I got it twice to be precise - sent date within 6 minutes of each other. The same thing happened to me; does mean I took up two invites...? Colin Moorcraft, onTV Europe Ltd. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://onTV.eu.com mobile: +44-(0)7766 333067 Information in this e-mail may be legally privileged, confidential and is intended exclusively for the addressee(s). Any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other dissemination or use of this e-mail is strictly prohibited without the express permission of the sender. If you have received it in error, please immediately notify the sender by return e-mail and delete it from your system. The views expressed are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of onTV Europe Ltd.
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At 19:30 +0100 18/4/07, Tom Loosemore wrote: On 18/04/07, Gordon Joly mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 16:39 +0100 18/4/07, Ian Forrester wrote: Hi All, Outside of the framework debate... The BBC Archive trial is getting closer to opening its doors. Exclusively I can now tell you that the register your interest form is up (16:30). So if your interested in taking part in the trial, go to http://bbc.co.uk/archivehttp://bbc.co.uk/archive now. Many thanks for your time - unfortunately due to the specifications of this trial, we are not currently aiming to recruit past or present BBC staff. !!! yep, and quite right too, if the BBC Trust's decision making is not just impartial but seen to be impartial. Allowing BBC staff past or present to join put the latter at risk, since the data from this trial will form the core empirical input into the BBC Trust's Public Value Test on the Open Archive (which is separate from iPlayer 'catch up' Public Value Test, the decision on which is due soonish. That's why they need so much personal data, to make sure the sample is balanced across a whole series of dimensions to reflect the UK population as a whole (hence UK only) We're also gonna release 50 hours for download by anyone in the UK, whether on the trial or not. - oh, and it's all non-DRM'd, albeit geo-IP'd I see. Very balanced. Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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Do you think it's a generation gap thing? Or, like that recent article I read on DigitalSpy about the results of the DAB quality survey, people who don't vocalise their concern about lowering quality just don't fully understand what a good quality stream should look / sound like? Admittedly this is maybe bordering on digital snobbery (What? Sub-4mbps bitrates in this video file? OUTRAGEOUS! JEEVES - GET THE BBC TRUST ON THE LINE IMMEDIATELY etc...) but I do believe that a lot of people maybe can subconsciously detect that a stream or broadcast isn't great quality, but as they have no obvious benchmark to go against, or have no real grasp of the potential quality that can be achieved using even the present incumbent formats, they don't voice their concern or complaint about it? I have a DAB radio and I confess I can't tell the difference between (say) Radio 2 on FM and Radio 2 on DAB. I know some audiophiles who look at me in disbelief when I say that. And anyway it's actually a slight lie. When I try to compare them, the thing I notice most is the FM hiss. I'm far better on visual artifacts I must say. Interestingly though a colleague of mine from BBC News told me that surveys have shown people are far more likely to put up with a dodgy video picture if the sound is clean and crisp. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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Andrew Bowden wrote: I'm far better on visual artifacts I must say. Interestingly though a colleague of mine from BBC News told me that surveys have shown people are far more likely to put up with a dodgy video picture if the sound is clean and crisp. Yes, it's well known (and proved) that you can do what you want with the picture if the sound is OK. -- From the North, this is Kirk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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On 4/19/07, Kirk Northrop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it's well known (and proved) that you can do what you want with the picture if the sound is OK. True but a slight exaggeration - A certain level of video quality still qualifies as an acceptable threshold, IMO. In addition, crystal clear sound and crystal clear vision are both pretty useless if they're not in sync. Cheers, Tim
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Tim Cowlishaw wrote: True but a slight exaggeration - A certain level of video quality still qualifies as an acceptable threshold, IMO. In addition, crystal clear sound and crystal clear vision are both pretty useless if they're not in sync. Indeed. But as long as the glitches are small and the audio doesn't glitch at the same time as the video (or vice-versa), you'd be surprised what you can get away with. -- From the North, this is Kirk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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/me guesses, somehow, that the denizens of this list are somewhat demographically homogeneous. I got kicked off after about 60% when I said I was male. hhm. Oh well, perhaps 35-44 age bracket is already full. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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No way Kim, I'm NOT normal. ;-) On 19 Apr 2007, at 13:28, Kim Plowright wrote: /me guesses, somehow, that the denizens of this list are somewhat demographically homogeneous. I got kicked off after about 60% when I said I was male. hhm. Oh well, perhaps 35-44 age bracket is already full. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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James Cox wrote: I hope that if this gets past the various layers of governance and gets budget to become a 'real' project, some effort into hooking up into bittorrent (I'm sure Bram could come up with some trickery to have certified users (ie, license fee payers ;)) only which would permit some kind of higher bandwidth product. I've never really felt comfortable with distributed P2P for content that I've paid for. It's great when bittorrent is used for transfering ubuntu iso's around (as it's members of a community helping others in the same community), it's less great but at least makes some sense when it's used for piracy (as it's still a members of a community helping other members in a community, all be it an illicit one) but when it comes to content that I'm paying somebody to send to me, I don't see why I should waste my upload bandwith for someone else's business model. Even with content from the BBC, I pay the licence fee so why should I pay in bandwidth as well? Scot - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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On 19 Apr 2007, at 14:39, Scot McSweeney-Roberts wrote: James Cox wrote: I hope that if this gets past the various layers of governance and gets budget to become a 'real' project, some effort into hooking up into bittorrent (I'm sure Bram could come up with some trickery to have certified users (ie, license fee payers ;)) only which would permit some kind of higher bandwidth product. I've never really felt comfortable with distributed P2P for content that I've paid for. It's great when bittorrent is used for transfering ubuntu iso's around (as it's members of a community helping others in the same community), it's less great but at least makes some sense when it's used for piracy (as it's still a members of a community helping other members in a community, all be it an illicit one) but when it comes to content that I'm paying somebody to send to me, I don't see why I should waste my upload bandwith for someone else's business model. Even with content from the BBC, I pay the licence fee so why should I pay in bandwidth as well? Fair enough, but i love the fact I can grab an ISO or ... er... certain content very rapidly using the P2P model. Since I pay a flat rate anyhow, and i've got loads of upload bandwidth to use, I'm not that fussed. :) - james - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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Do you know when we will hear if we are in or not? (Or is the fact that I've not heard mean I'm not in?) Paul (Long Time Lurker) On 19/04/07, James Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 19 Apr 2007, at 14:39, Scot McSweeney-Roberts wrote: James Cox wrote: I hope that if this gets past the various layers of governance and gets budget to become a 'real' project, some effort into hooking up into bittorrent (I'm sure Bram could come up with some trickery to have certified users (ie, license fee payers ;)) only which would permit some kind of higher bandwidth product. I've never really felt comfortable with distributed P2P for content that I've paid for. It's great when bittorrent is used for transfering ubuntu iso's around (as it's members of a community helping others in the same community), it's less great but at least makes some sense when it's used for piracy (as it's still a members of a community helping other members in a community, all be it an illicit one) but when it comes to content that I'm paying somebody to send to me, I don't see why I should waste my upload bandwith for someone else's business model. Even with content from the BBC, I pay the licence fee so why should I pay in bandwidth as well? Fair enough, but i love the fact I can grab an ISO or ... er... certain content very rapidly using the P2P model. Since I pay a flat rate anyhow, and i've got loads of upload bandwidth to use, I'm not that fussed. :) - james - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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On 19/04/07, Scot McSweeney-Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even with content from the BBC, I pay the licence fee so why should I pay in bandwidth as well? Because Peer to Peer is the only current scalable way of distributing content. Server to client just isn't scalable enough. Server to client is also inefficient for peek loads. If you have something that is released and loads of people go to fetch it at the same time either your site will need enough servers to handle the peak load, which would mean under normal load they would not being used, or your site fails under heavy load. Peer to Peer reduces this problem. Slightly Off Topic, as you mentioned Ubuntu ISOs, nice to see that the BBC is not covering this on it's technology news, it gave an awful lot of press to Vista. nice to see that the BBC believes in neutrality and isn't favouring parties it has signed agreements with. /sarcasm Andy -- First they ignore you then they laugh at you then they fight you then you win. - Mohandas Gandhi - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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Slightly Off Topic, as you mentioned Ubuntu ISOs, nice to see that the BBC is not covering this on it's technology news, it gave an awful lot of press to Vista. They even gave coverage to some World of Warcraft expansion pack! Then again, I've never agreed with them on their definition of 'news'. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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On 19 Apr 2007, at 16:07, Mutt Baskerville wrote: Slightly Off Topic, as you mentioned Ubuntu ISOs, nice to see that the BBC is not covering this on it's technology news, it gave an awful lot of press to Vista. They even gave coverage to some World of Warcraft expansion pack! Then again, I've never agreed with them on their definition of 'news'. Would be interesting to see what would happen if Shuttleworth were to retain the services of waggener edstrom (microsoft's PR agency) - i'm sure they could get some big splashes. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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Indeed, it's something I as a music tech student have both seen myself and have been told by tutors - and it makes sense. I remember putting up with dodgy projections in cinemas because the sound was alright, but the one time I was watching one of the Pirates films and the centre speaker started pumping out 20kHz digital distortion my head felt like it was going to explode. What DAB radio do you have? I'm lucky enough to have a (still-operational!) Wavefinder, which is literally 100% digital signal path until the output stage - directly sends the raw MPEG stream to the PC which decodes it and plays it back which is going through my monitors (speakers, not screens ;) and I can _definitely_ tell the difference between FM and digital, even if I do nothing more than hook up my MP3 player to my line level input on my audio interface. I've heard digital artefacts on Radio 3 on DAB. If we're ever going to turn off analogue, that problem HAS to be fixed. Also, the issues of compressing already-compressed material, the way commercial stations just send their FM-processed signal to the digital encoder without changing it... Plus the technical limitations of MPEG Layer-2 to boot. I think half the problem is that the vast majority of people don't have a decent setup for listening to their radio - and the stations they listen to don't really value preserving the quality of the source audio above making it the LOUDEST on the dial and getting listener figures. The BBC is uniquely positioned to spearhead the charge against the loss of quality in radio broadcasting, including the preservation of quality in their broadcasts. The Beeb shouldn't be pushed into putting more and more services on their already strained multiplexes by commercial expectations, because they'll never achieve the kind of quality they had on launch if they carry on doing that. These little portable DAB radios are both great and awful for the industry, and for quality standards in general. People don't expect the quality, the quality will disappear. -Original Message- From: Andrew Bowden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 April 2007 10:34 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC Archive trial I have a DAB radio and I confess I can't tell the difference between (say) Radio 2 on FM and Radio 2 on DAB. I know some audiophiles who look at me in disbelief when I say that. And anyway it's actually a slight lie. When I try to compare them, the thing I notice most is the FM hiss. I'm far better on visual artifacts I must say. Interestingly though a colleague of mine from BBC News told me that surveys have shown people are far more likely to put up with a dodgy video picture if the sound is clean and crisp. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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Mutt Baskerville wrote: Slightly Off Topic, as you mentioned Ubuntu ISOs, nice to see that the BBC is not covering this on it's technology news, it gave an awful lot of press to Vista. They even gave coverage to some World of Warcraft expansion pack! Then again, I've never agreed with them on their definition of 'news'. Perhaps it'll become newsworthy now that Michael Dell is running Ubuntu Linux (and OpenOffice and Firefox) on his new laptop: http://direct2dell.com/one2one/archive/2007/04/18/12261.aspx#comments -- Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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Slightly Off Topic, as you mentioned Ubuntu ISOs, nice to see that the BBC is not covering this on it's technology news, it gave an awful lot of press to Vista. The BBC News Technology section is rather more mainstream focused - it's not The Register. And I think that's reflected in the content it decides to cover. An Ubuntu release is not going to have the mainstream interest that a Windows release will have. The section does cover non-Microsoft OS's - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6552113.stm is about Leopard. And there is some Linux coverage such as the article covering Dell pre-installing Linux on PCs. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6506027.stm - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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It¹ll take a few weeks I would imagine before you¹ll hear much the list is getting blasted at the moment as you¹d expect! I¹ll post up more information as I know it. m On 19/4/07 15:53, Paul Jefferson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you know when we will hear if we are in or not? (Or is the fact that I've not heard mean I'm not in?) Paul (Long Time Lurker) On 19/04/07, James Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 19 Apr 2007, at 14:39, Scot McSweeney-Roberts wrote: James Cox wrote: I hope that if this gets past the various layers of governance and gets budget to become a 'real' project, some effort into hooking up into bittorrent (I'm sure Bram could come up with some trickery to have certified users (ie, license fee payers ;)) only which would permit some kind of higher bandwidth product. I've never really felt comfortable with distributed P2P for content that I've paid for. It's great when bittorrent is used for transfering ubuntu iso's around (as it's members of a community helping others in the same community), it's less great but at least makes some sense when it's used for piracy (as it's still a members of a community helping other members in a community, all be it an illicit one) but when it comes to content that I'm paying somebody to send to me, I don't see why I should waste my upload bandwith for someone else's business model. Even with content from the BBC, I pay the licence fee so why should I pay in bandwidth as well? Fair enough, but i love the fact I can grab an ISO or ... er... certain content very rapidly using the P2P model. Since I pay a flat rate anyhow, and i've got loads of upload bandwidth to use, I'm not that fussed. :) - james - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk http://backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC4B5, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TS T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959)
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Hi All, Outside of the framework debate... The BBC Archive trial is getting closer to opening its doors. Exclusively I can now tell you that the register your interest form is up (16:30). So if your interested in taking part in the trial, go to http://bbc.co.uk/archive now. There is no press launch or anything like that yet, so your really the first people to find out about this. So do it today before the 20,000 places disappear. Cheers, Ian Forrester Senior Producer, BBC Backstage BC4 B4, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7RJ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 02080083965 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The BBC Archive trial is getting closer to opening its doors. Exclusively I can now tell you that the register your interest form is up (16:30). So if your interested in taking part in the trial, go to http://bbc.co.uk/archive now. Euuwww... that was built with some framework wasn't it? [bwa ha ha ha ha... and runs away laughing] - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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On 18/04/07, Nic James Ferrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The BBC Archive trial is getting closer to opening its doors. Exclusively I can now tell you that the register your interest form is up (16:30). So if your interested in taking part in the trial, go to http://bbc.co.uk/archive now. Euuwww... that was built with some framework wasn't it? It's some off-the-shelf online survey framework - several of the big market research houses use it. Rather a lot of personal information needed for registration, I thought Peter -- Peter Bowyer Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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At 16:39 +0100 18/4/07, Ian Forrester wrote: Hi All, Outside of the framework debate... The BBC Archive trial is getting closer to opening its doors. Exclusively I can now tell you that the register your interest form is up (16:30). So if your interested in taking part in the trial, go to http://bbc.co.uk/archive now. Many thanks for your time - unfortunately due to the specifications of this trial, we are not currently aiming to recruit past or present BBC staff. Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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Ian - any idea how this trial is going to be delivered? any tech specs on the trial itself? i'm thinking scary black boxes and dial groups. wait, that was nielson. --- :) On 18 Apr 2007, at 16:39, Ian Forrester wrote: Hi All, Outside of the framework debate... The BBC Archive trial is getting closer to opening its doors. Exclusively I can now tell you that the register your interest form is up (16:30). So if your interested in taking part in the trial, go to http://bbc.co.uk/archive now. There is no press launch or anything like that yet, so your really the first people to find out about this. So do it today before the 20,000 places disappear. Cheers, Ian Forrester Senior Producer, BBC Backstage BC4 B4, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7RJ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 02080083965 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- James Cox, Internet Consultant t: 07968 349990 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://www.imajes.info/
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On 18/04/07, Gordon Joly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 16:39 +0100 18/4/07, Ian Forrester wrote: Hi All, Outside of the framework debate... The BBC Archive trial is getting closer to opening its doors. Exclusively I can now tell you that the register your interest form is up (16:30). So if your interested in taking part in the trial, go to http://bbc.co.uk/archive now. Many thanks for your time - unfortunately due to the specifications of this trial, we are not currently aiming to recruit past or present BBC staff. !!! yep, and quite right too, if the BBC Trust's decision making is not just impartial but seen to be impartial. Allowing BBC staff past or present to join put the latter at risk, since the data from this trial will form the core empirical input into the BBC Trust's Public Value Test on the Open Archive (which is separate from iPlayer 'catch up' Public Value Test, the decision on which is due soonish. That's why they need so much personal data, to make sure the sample is balanced across a whole series of dimensions to reflect the UK population as a whole (hence UK only) We're also gonna release 50 hours for download by anyone in the UK, whether on the trial or not. - oh, and it's all non-DRM'd, albeit geo-IP'd
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it'll be delivered via the internet... using that funny HTML stuff (streamed in Real/WM I expect, cos that'll make it easier to set up - it is a trial after all...). The actual site itself is very nice, IMHO (not that I had anything to do with it!) On 18/04/07, James Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ian - any idea how this trial is going to be delivered? any tech specs on the trial itself? i'm thinking scary black boxes and dial groups. wait, that was nielson. --- :) On 18 Apr 2007, at 16:39, Ian Forrester wrote: Hi All, Outside of the framework debate... The BBC Archive trial is getting closer to opening its doors. Exclusively I can now tell you that the register your interest form is up (16:30). So if your interested in taking part in the trial, go to http://bbc.co.uk/archive now. There is no press launch or anything like that yet, so your really the first people to find out about this. So do it today before the 20,000 places disappear. Cheers, Ian Forrester Senior Producer, BBC Backstage BC4 B4, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7RJ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 02080083965 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- *James Cox, *Internet Consultant t: 07968 349990 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://www.imajes.info/
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Here's what I got: Many thanks for your time - unfortunately you did not meet the recruitment criteria for this trial. Is there a list of recruitment criteria? Cheers... ...t.s. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Forrester Sent: 18 April 2007 16:40 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] BBC Archive trial Hi All, Outside of the framework debate... The BBC Archive trial is getting closer to opening its doors. Exclusively I can now tell you that the register your interest form is up (16:30). So if your interested in taking part in the trial, go to http://bbc.co.uk/archive now. There is no press launch or anything like that yet, so your really the first people to find out about this. So do it today before the 20,000 places disappear. Cheers, Ian Forrester Senior Producer, BBC Backstage BC4 B4, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7RJ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 02080083965 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ * To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://www.hull.ac.uk/legal/email_disclaimer.html *
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Hey Tom, By making it UK centric, isn't the BBC missing the public values of an awful lot of us that no longer inhabit that island all year? Or are there pages written in Polish etc, just to please the total UK population. I wish the Trust would accept BBC internet presence for what it is, a part of the World-Wide Web. (Not sarcastic, as I am a firm believer that I am English wherever I happen to be, especially as a UK tax payer.) Regards RichE On 18 Apr 2007, at 19:30, Tom Loosemore wrote: On 18/04/07, Gordon Joly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 16:39 +0100 18/4/07, Ian Forrester wrote: Hi All, Outside of the framework debate... The BBC Archive trial is getting closer to opening its doors. Exclusively I can now tell you that the register your interest form is up (16:30). So if your interested in taking part in the trial, go to http://bbc.co.uk/archive now. Many thanks for your time - unfortunately due to the specifications of this trial, we are not currently aiming to recruit past or present BBC staff. !!! yep, and quite right too, if the BBC Trust's decision making is not just impartial but seen to be impartial. Allowing BBC staff past or present to join put the latter at risk, since the data from this trial will form the core empirical input into the BBC Trust's Public Value Test on the Open Archive (which is separate from iPlayer 'catch up' Public Value Test, the decision on which is due soonish. That's why they need so much personal data, to make sure the sample is balanced across a whole series of dimensions to reflect the UK population as a whole (hence UK only) We're also gonna release 50 hours for download by anyone in the UK, whether on the trial or not. - oh, and it's all non-DRM'd, albeit geo-IP'd
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Many thanks for your time - unfortunately you did not meet the recruitment criteria for this trial. Ditto me, how could I possibly not qualify? I'm 21, I have a fast broadband connection, I also am an active mobile data user with a flatrate package and I'm in that perfect area of candidacy age-wise (18-24 male bracket)... Or maybe that's why I wasn't accepted... Maybe I should say I'm a 74 year old grandma of 4? -Original Message- From: Toni Sant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 April 2007 19:40 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC Archive trial Here's what I got: Many thanks for your time - unfortunately you did not meet the recruitment criteria for this trial. Is there a list of recruitment criteria? Cheers... ...t.s. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Forrester Sent: 18 April 2007 16:40 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] BBC Archive trial Hi All, Outside of the framework debate... The BBC Archive trial is getting closer to opening its doors. Exclusively I can now tell you that the register your interest form is up (16:30). So if your interested in taking part in the trial, go to http://bbc.co.uk/archive now. There is no press launch or anything like that yet, so your really the first people to find out about this. So do it today before the 20,000 places disappear. Cheers, Ian Forrester Senior Producer, BBC Backstage BC4 B4, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7RJ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 02080083965 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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And the same here . I got kicked off after about 60% when I said I was male. hhm. Oh well, perhaps 35-44 age bracket is already full. On 18 Apr 2007, at 19:40, Toni Sant wrote: Here's what I got: Many thanks for your time - unfortunately you did not meet the recruitment criteria for this trial. Is there a list of recruitment criteria? Cheers... ...t.s. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Forrester Sent: 18 April 2007 16:40 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] BBC Archive trial Hi All, Outside of the framework debate... The BBC Archive trial is getting closer to opening its doors. Exclusively I can now tell you that the register your interest form is up (16:30). So if your interested in taking part in the trial, go to http://bbc.co.uk/archive now. There is no press launch or anything like that yet, so your really the first people to find out about this. So do it today before the 20,000 places disappear. Cheers, Ian Forrester Senior Producer, BBC Backstage BC4 B4, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7RJ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 02080083965 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ ** *** To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://www.hull.ac.uk/legal/email_disclaimer.html ** *** - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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I'm in-- i think? On 18 Apr 2007, at 20:55, Richard P Edwards wrote: And the same here . I got kicked off after about 60% when I said I was male. hhm. Oh well, perhaps 35-44 age bracket is already full. On 18 Apr 2007, at 19:40, Toni Sant wrote: Here's what I got: Many thanks for your time - unfortunately you did not meet the recruitment criteria for this trial. Is there a list of recruitment criteria? Cheers... ...t.s. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Forrester Sent: 18 April 2007 16:40 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] BBC Archive trial Hi All, Outside of the framework debate... The BBC Archive trial is getting closer to opening its doors. Exclusively I can now tell you that the register your interest form is up (16:30). So if your interested in taking part in the trial, go to http://bbc.co.uk/archive now. There is no press launch or anything like that yet, so your really the first people to find out about this. So do it today before the 20,000 places disappear. Cheers, Ian Forrester Senior Producer, BBC Backstage BC4 B4, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7RJ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 02080083965 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ * To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://www.hull.ac.uk/legal/email_disclaimer.html * - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- James Cox, Internet Consultant t: 07968 349990 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://www.imajes.info/
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On 18 Apr 2007, at 19:34, Tom Loosemore wrote: it'll be delivered via the internet... using that funny HTML stuff (streamed in Real/WM I expect, cos that'll make it easier to set up - it is a trial after all...). The actual site itself is very nice, IMHO (not that I had anything to do with it!) Shame. I love the idea of digging into blackadder and jeeves and wooster and all the other comedy greats -- but getting them in a format that is at least somewhat representative of their quality. Sucks that I'd have to stream it certainly encoding into divx or mpg would show some understanding of the marketspace. - james - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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Hey, that seems more legitimate than being denied progress for answering 'male' to the gender question! -Eamonn -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gordon Joly Sent: 18 April 2007 17:44 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Cc: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk; Ian Forrester Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial At 16:39 +0100 18/4/07, Ian Forrester wrote: Hi All, Outside of the framework debate... The BBC Archive trial is getting closer to opening its doors. Exclusively I can now tell you that the register your interest form is up (16:30). So if your interested in taking part in the trial, go to http://bbc.co.uk/archive now. Many thanks for your time - unfortunately due to the specifications of this trial, we are not currently aiming to recruit past or present BBC staff. Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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Vocab is used for English - Somali on our South East Wales site: http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/southeast/sites/help/pages/somali.shtml (Cardiff has a large Somali population) Chris On 18 Apr 2007, at 20:04, Tom Loosemore wrote: The Trust have to base all their decisions on the needs of UK licence fee payers, first and foremost. But yes, a global internet, that challenges lots of assumptions that previously were not even explicity. Why not write to them and tell 'em - seriously ,it's their job to hear views from people who pay the licence fee. http:// www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/ PS There are 100,000 of pages in welsh, gaelic etc. on bbc.co.uk BTW... and there will be a welsh version of iPlayer In fact one of the coolest hidden gems of the BBC is bbc.co.uk/vocab , which could very easily be adapted for polish just by adding dictionary... This is one of the apps I'd personally like to Open Source... or offer as an API... On 18/04/07, Richard P Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Tom, By making it UK centric, isn't the BBC missing the public values of an awful lot of us that no longer inhabit that island all year? Or are there pages written in Polish etc, just to please the total UK population. I wish the Trust would accept BBC internet presence for what it is, a part of the World-Wide Web. (Not sarcastic, as I am a firm believer that I am English wherever I happen to be, especially as a UK tax payer.) Regards RichE On 18 Apr 2007, at 19:30, Tom Loosemore wrote: On 18/04/07, Gordon Joly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 16:39 +0100 18/4/07, Ian Forrester wrote: Hi All, Outside of the framework debate... The BBC Archive trial is getting closer to opening its doors. Exclusively I can now tell you that the register your interest form is up (16:30). So if your interested in taking part in the trial, go to http://bbc.co.uk/archive now. Many thanks for your time - unfortunately due to the specifications of this trial, we are not currently aiming to recruit past or present BBC staff. !!! yep, and quite right too, if the BBC Trust's decision making is not just impartial but seen to be impartial. Allowing BBC staff past or present to join put the latter at risk, since the data from this trial will form the core empirical input into the BBC Trust's Public Value Test on the Open Archive (which is separate from iPlayer 'catch up' Public Value Test, the decision on which is due soonish. That's why they need so much personal data, to make sure the sample is balanced across a whole series of dimensions to reflect the UK population as a whole (hence UK only) We're also gonna release 50 hours for download by anyone in the UK, whether on the trial or not. - oh, and it's all non-DRM'd, albeit geo-IP'd
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Thanks Tom, I appreciate you suggestion, and will do. Vocab looks great. All the best RichE On 18 Apr 2007, at 20:04, Tom Loosemore wrote: The Trust have to base all their decisions on the needs of UK licence fee payers, first and foremost. But yes, a global internet, that challenges lots of assumptions that previously were not even explicity. Why not write to them and tell 'em - seriously ,it's their job to hear views from people who pay the licence fee. http:// www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/ PS There are 100,000 of pages in welsh, gaelic etc. on bbc.co.uk BTW... and there will be a welsh version of iPlayer In fact one of the coolest hidden gems of the BBC is bbc.co.uk/vocab , which could very easily be adapted for polish just by adding dictionary... This is one of the apps I'd personally like to Open Source... or offer as an API... On 18/04/07, Richard P Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Tom, By making it UK centric, isn't the BBC missing the public values of an awful lot of us that no longer inhabit that island all year? Or are there pages written in Polish etc, just to please the total UK population. I wish the Trust would accept BBC internet presence for what it is, a part of the World-Wide Web. (Not sarcastic, as I am a firm believer that I am English wherever I happen to be, especially as a UK tax payer.) Regards RichE On 18 Apr 2007, at 19:30, Tom Loosemore wrote: On 18/04/07, Gordon Joly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 16:39 +0100 18/4/07, Ian Forrester wrote: Hi All, Outside of the framework debate... The BBC Archive trial is getting closer to opening its doors. Exclusively I can now tell you that the register your interest form is up (16:30). So if your interested in taking part in the trial, go to http://bbc.co.uk/archive now. Many thanks for your time - unfortunately due to the specifications of this trial, we are not currently aiming to recruit past or present BBC staff. !!! yep, and quite right too, if the BBC Trust's decision making is not just impartial but seen to be impartial. Allowing BBC staff past or present to join put the latter at risk, since the data from this trial will form the core empirical input into the BBC Trust's Public Value Test on the Open Archive (which is separate from iPlayer 'catch up' Public Value Test, the decision on which is due soonish. That's why they need so much personal data, to make sure the sample is balanced across a whole series of dimensions to reflect the UK population as a whole (hence UK only) We're also gonna release 50 hours for download by anyone in the UK, whether on the trial or not. - oh, and it's all non-DRM'd, albeit geo-IP'd
Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial
Shame. I love the idea of digging into blackadder and jeeves and wooster and all the other comedy greats -- but getting them in a format that is at least somewhat representative of their quality. Sucks that I'd have to stream it certainly encoding into divx or mpg would show some understanding of the marketspace. I'm not sure what you mean when you suggest encoding as divx or mpg would show an understanding of the marketplace. It is unfortunately not quite so simple. This is a limited, fixed length trial that will hopefully lead to a Public Value Test. Surely then it makes sense to make use of the BBC's existing Real/WM infrastructure to deliver the content? Hell, if we were going to show some understanding of the marketplace we'd do it all in Flash (which I still hope we do, TBH)
Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial
On 18 Apr 2007, at 22:51, Jonathan Tweed wrote: On 18 Apr 2007, at 20:03, James Cox wrote: On 18 Apr 2007, at 19:34, Tom Loosemore wrote: it'll be delivered via the internet... using that funny HTML stuff (streamed in Real/WM I expect, cos that'll make it easier to set up - it is a trial after all...). The actual site itself is very nice, IMHO (not that I had anything to do with it!) Shame. I love the idea of digging into blackadder and jeeves and wooster and all the other comedy greats -- but getting them in a format that is at least somewhat representative of their quality. Sucks that I'd have to stream it certainly encoding into divx or mpg would show some understanding of the marketspace. I'm not sure what you mean when you suggest encoding as divx or mpg would show an understanding of the marketplace. It is unfortunately not quite so simple. This is a limited, fixed length trial that will hopefully lead to a Public Value Test. Surely then it makes sense to make use of the BBC's existing Real/WM infrastructure to deliver the content? Fixed Length Trial? Public Value Test? (one has to love the steps to get something done. bravo for trying). Sure it makes sense - i'm not being overly grumpy, just assuming that most of the archive will have had to have been transcoded into something to enable reasonable online delivery; I presume it's stored in a petabyte archive store someplace, in some kind of raw or semi- raw format natively - thus encoding it --- getting it to real / wm is great- you have that, but adding in a divx/mpg transcoder so that a level of quality is preserved would be great. Why do i care? because whilst streaming is great for live events, imho... it's not really fantastic for enjoying the backlist. I hope that if this gets past the various layers of governance and gets budget to become a 'real' project, some effort into hooking up into bittorrent (I'm sure Bram could come up with some trickery to have certified users (ie, license fee payers ;)) only which would permit some kind of higher bandwidth product. That would almost be worth paying for. :) -- james Disclaimer: I work at the BBC but not on the Archive Trial. I do however work in a related area and have had limited access to a pre- trial version of the site. I really like what I've seen so far and would encourage anyone who is thinking about it to sign up for the trial before it fills up. My views are of course my own and not necessarily those of my employer. understood - and thanks for commenting.
