Brian Butterworth wrote:
The first version of Unix I used was on a PDP11! When I started doing
system admin for Unix I learnt both System V and BSD. I used XWindows
on Sparcstations! So, I have a rather blaze attitude to new versions
of something I have known for a more than a few decades.
2009/8/6 Tim Dobson li...@tdobson.net
Brian Butterworth wrote:
The first version of Unix I used was on a PDP11! When I started doing
system admin for Unix I learnt both System V and BSD. I used XWindows on
Sparcstations! So, I have a rather blaze attitude to new versions of
something I
Hey - I sent my then girlfriend a loveletter on paper punchtape, ASR-33
Teletype controlling a PDP-11 that ran a Motorola satnav receiver on the
survey boat I was on in Papua New Guinea in 1971, it was probably an 11-23
and we booted it manually with switches until it could see the paper tape.
How about a BBC Micro 2012 Edition...? FMT need another impossible tech
project. Be more exciting than Bang Goes The Theory.
Funnily enough I was thinking about the same thing a couple of days
ago, somehow I fear that devices conforming to the Canvas Project
specification won't have some
In those days, of course, everything cost sixpence, was made of wood
and lasted forever.
(Cue Dvorak's Symphony for the New World in the background)
:-)
R.
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Nico Morrisonmicroni...@gmail.com wrote:
Hey - I sent my then girlfriend a loveletter on paper
Try 16K memory, ferrite core, weighed 80lbs in 19 rack, That was in
addition to the 4K main memory.
I prefer Bach,
NM
2009/8/6 Richard Lockwood richard.lockw...@gmail.com
In those days, of course, everything cost sixpence, was made of wood
and lasted forever.
(Cue Dvorak's Symphony for the
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Right. I think that sums it up. If I tell my Mum that, she'll look at me as
though I'm from Mars.
To be honest, as a non-Linux user, but experienced
Actually, I would be right up for writing a BBC Basic interpreter for
set-top boxes. Probably have to have some MHEG5-type interface, but the
idea is quite workable.
Not sure about how to make it support XML yet...
2009/8/6 John Styles hpeng...@gmail.com
How about a BBC Micro 2012 Edition...?
2009/8/6 Nico Morrison microni...@gmail.com
Hey - I sent my then girlfriend a loveletter on paper punchtape, ASR-33
Teletype controlling a PDP-11 that ran a Motorola satnav receiver on the
survey boat I was on in Papua New Guinea in 1971, it was probably an 11-23
and we booted it manually
Thanks to Spotify, I am...
spotify:album:2n8DmRJMWH9Y3UmnCzMtho
2009/8/6 Richard Lockwood richard.lockw...@gmail.com
In those days, of course, everything cost sixpence, was made of wood
and lasted forever.
(Cue Dvorak's Symphony for the New World in the background)
:-)
R.
On Thu, Aug
-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth
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Actually, I would be right up for writing a BBC Basic
interpreter for set-top
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On 4 Aug 2009, at 23:07, Dave Crossland wrote:
Why should economics trump freedom?
Would you scrap free elections if it was better for the economy? China
is proving that free elections are not needed for a efficient
capitalist market system.
Well, freedom's great, but you can't eat it.
Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose
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[mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Stephen Jolly
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[mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Stephen Jolly
Sent: 05 August 2009 07:03
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On 4 Aug 2009, at 23:07, Dave Crossland wrote:
Why
sharing and consensus are not the same as freedom
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[mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Nico Morrison
Sent: 05 August 2009 09:24
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Please forgive me but I'm very confused about some of the points you're
trying to me and just want to clarify exactly what you mean.
Brian Butterworth wrote:
snip
So, the biggest problem for most users with non-Windows systems is that
it's not Windows.
Yup, I got all that and completely
We seem to have drifted off topic, can we not go back to complaining
that the BBC won't let me run iPlayer on my Tesco Value Toaster and
store the programmes indefinitely in the bread bin?!
John
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Tim Dobsonli...@tdobson.net wrote:
Please forgive me but I'm very
I compressed the run time on my toaster and now it won't shut up about
grilled bread products.
Lister
On 5 Aug 2009, at 10:16, John Styles wrote:
We seem to have drifted off topic, can we not go back to complaining
that the BBC won't let me run iPlayer on my Tesco Value Toaster and
store
Alex Mace wrote:
I compressed the run time on my toaster and now it won't shut up about
grilled bread products.
Lister
Waffles, anyone?
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I compressed the run time on my toaster and now it won't shut up about
grilled bread products.
Other hot flat snacks are available.
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On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Tim Dobsonli...@tdobson.net
wrote:ions like that.
Oh, and Windows 7 is so good I would pay for it.
Second that. Been testing it out for months and love it. IE still
really sucks though.
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On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 10:16 AM, John Styleshpeng...@gmail.com wrote:
We seem to have drifted off topic, can we not go back to complaining
that the BBC won't let me run iPlayer on my Tesco Value Toaster and
store the programmes indefinitely in the bread bin?!
John
Hahaha that was brilliant
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Tim,
The point about the very specific examples that I gave was that as a group
Windows users have a strange and wide-ranging levels of understanding of
the system they are using.
If you started with Windows 1.21 or your first times is with Windows 7, the
skills you learn will stay with you.
2009/8/5 Tim Dobson li...@tdobson.net
Thanks Brian,
That's made what you were saying loads clearer to me. :)
As I had suspected, I fundamentally disagree, but at least I'm clear about
what I'm disagreeing with now. Thank you!
Excellent. Agreeing about this never gets anyone anywhere.
The problem with a 'free digital society' is that people need salaries.
Ask the music/film industry what they think.
I love the idea of utopia but we all know that unicorns don't exist,
right?
On 3 Aug 2009, at 20:14, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote:
Hi,
What about the case for a
2009/8/4 Alun Rowe alun.r...@pentangle.co.uk
The problem with a 'free digital society' is that people need salaries.
ah, the old confusion of gratis and libre.
Ask the music/film industry what they think.
I love the idea of utopia but we all know that unicorns don't exist, right?
Have you heard of Red Hat?
On 4 Aug 2009, 7:02 AM, Alun Rowe alun.r...@pentangle.co.uk wrote:
The problem with a 'free digital society' is that people need salaries.
Ask the music/film industry what they think.
I love the idea of utopia but we all know that unicorns don't exist, right?
On
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 08:13, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote:
Have you heard of Red Hat?
There was an episode of Global Business on the World Service about them last
week
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p003r602
Yes I have but it is fairly unique.
How would you obtain funding for an idea which had no IP of it own?
³Do you own the patent on this?² - er no it¹s open source.
³Can anyone arrive in the marketplace tomorrow and replicate what you do?² -
er yes.
Like I say I love the utopian model but I
No it¹s not confusion. Unfortunately one leads to the other. Open
standards whilst highly beneficial in some fields eg Web Standards can also
be highly uncompetitive in others eg Telephony.
Telephony is all about the quality of the service you receive so the
standard IS the product.
Websites
I used to work for the open source innovation arm of BT, during which time I
wrote this blog post on the subject:
http://philwhitehouse.blogspot.com/2008/06/how-to-make-money-from-open-source.html
Your email brings to mind the joke where someone was asked for directions,
and the response was You
2009/8/4 Alun Rowe alun.r...@pentangle.co.uk
...
Mere users don’t stand a chance with anything Linux based. It’s far too
geeky to use still.
Your final pronouncement is interesting. How can you justify it?
Alun
On 04/08/2009 08:13, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote:
Have
Mere users don’t stand a chance with anything Linux based. It’s far
too geeky to use still.
Well, obviously. You don't see any mere users using Android based
phones, Tivos, routers, etc, etc. do you?
2009/8/4 Alex Mace a...@hollytree.co.uk
Mere users don’t stand a chance with anything Linux based. It’s far too
geeky to use still.
Well, obviously. You don't see any mere users using Android based phones,
Tivos, routers, etc, etc. do you?
Or all those millions of LAMP websites out
Alex Mace wrote:
Mere users don’t stand a chance with anything Linux based. It’s far
too geeky to use still.
Well, obviously. You don't see any mere users using Android based
phones, Tivos, routers, etc, etc. do you?
My 50+ year old parents (decidedly non-geeky) parents don't seem have
: 04 August 2009 12:09
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] Fwd: [Autonomo.us] Skype, out?
Alex Mace wrote:
Mere users don't stand a chance with anything Linux based.
It's far
too geeky to use still.
Well, obviously. You don't see any mere users using Android based
Ask a genuine user to install some software on it. I know it¹s a LOT better
than it used to be but my dad still couldn¹t do it.
Alun
On 04/08/2009 11:31, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv wrote:
2009/8/4 Alun Rowe alun.r...@pentangle.co.uk
...
Mere users don¹t stand a chance
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Ask a genuine user to install some software on it. I know it's a LOT
better than it used to be but my dad
My father (who I refuse to give any tech support to) failed to install
windows XP well enough to get online or have it usable for several years
of attempting it several times. Every time he buys a new PC with windows
pre-installed. He's been using windows heavily for 10yrs. What I'm
saying is
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[mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Alun Rowe
Sent: 04 August 2009 12:36
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
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Ask a genuine user to install some software on it. I know
Of Alun Rowe
Sent: 04 August 2009 12:55
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
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Or they provide clear instruction on how to do it WITHOUT having to
resort to Google...
A large number of issues come from
defacto open
standards.
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Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 11:12:31 +0100
On 4 Aug 2009, at 12:23, Deirdre Harvey wrote:
My 90+ year old Grandmother (also non-geeky) also doesn't
seem to have issues with Debian + Kmail.
Did they set those machines up all by themselves or did you help
them a
little bit? Do they call you if they need a bit of help?
Having a
On 4 Aug 2009, at 12:23, Deirdre Harvey wrote:
My 90+ year old Grandmother (also non-geeky) also doesn't
seem to have issues with Debian + Kmail.
Did they set those machines up all by themselves or did you help
them a
little bit? Do they call you if they need a bit of help?
Having a
Maybe you should be more specific so we know what to picket?
On 4 Aug 2009, 6:40 PM, Stephen Jolly st...@jollys.org wrote:
On 4 Aug 2009, at 12:23, Deirdre Harvey wrote: My 90+ year old
Grandmother (also non-geeky) al...
I've acted as Windows and MacOS tech support for enough relatives over
Right. I think that sums it up. If I tell my Mum that, she'll look
at me as though I'm from Mars.
To be honest, as a non-Linux user, but experienced computer user, I
have no idea what the hell DEB or RPM are.
If that's the best sell you can do, it just demonstrates that desktop
Linux still
I'm about as far from Linux on the desktop as you can get, but I think
that's a little unfair.
It's no different from talking about .pkg or .msi files on Mac OS X or
Windows. Your mum might not be interested in the specifics but this is
technical list and so at times people are likely to
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Richard
Lockwoodrichard.lockw...@gmail.com wrote:
Right. I think that sums it up. If I tell my Mum that, she'll look
at me as though I'm from Mars.
To be honest, as a non-Linux user, but experienced computer user, I
have no idea what the hell DEB or RPM are.
Deirdre Harvey wrote:
My 50+ year old parents (decidedly non-geeky) parents don't
seem have issues with their Kubuntu machine they use for web,
email ksirtet (tetris).
My 90+ year old Grandmother (also non-geeky) also doesn't
seem to have issues with Debian + Kmail.
Did they set those
2009/8/4 Alun Rowe alun.r...@pentangle.co.uk:
Preaching open standards is fine AS LONG as you understand the deep economic
issues behind them
Why should economics trump freedom?
Would you scrap free elections if it was better for the economy? China
is proving that free elections are not
2009/8/4 Alun Rowe alun.r...@pentangle.co.uk:
Yes I have but it is fairly unique.
RHAT is the only free software company in the SP500, but there are
several direct competitors and many smaller and very different free
software companies.
How would you obtain funding for an idea which had no IP
[mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] *On Behalf Of *Alun Rowe
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Ask a genuine user to install some software on it. I know it’s a
LOT better than
No doubt some palms will be crossed with silver (or equity).
The business case for open standards has to be thought through ingreat
depth before embracing it.
Also Skypes network has been around for a longtime!
On 3 Aug 2009, at 17:10, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote:
Proprietary
Don't worry about Dave, he's just trolling again.
Cheers,
Rich.
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Alun Rowealun.r...@pentangle.co.uk wrote:
No doubt some palms will be crossed with silver (or equity).
The business case for open standards has to be thought through ingreat depth
before
Hi,
What about the case for a free digital society?
Regards, Dave
On 3 Aug 2009, 6:36 PM, Alun Rowe alun.r...@pentangle.co.uk wrote:
No doubt some palms will be crossed with silver (or equity).
The business case for open standards has to be thought through ingreat depth
before embracing it.
2009/8/3 Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com
Hi,
What about the case for a free digital society?
Thanks to all the Appleheads we are now at the If you want a picture of
the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - for ever stage aren't
we?
Regards, Dave
On 3 Aug 2009, 6:36 PM, Alun
I meant to post a link with my quote...
http://www.betanews.com/article/The-Google-Voice-battle-What-is-Apple-afraid-of/1249327992
2009/8/3 Frank Wales fr...@limov.com
Brian Butterworth wrote:
Thanks to all the Appleheads we are now at the If you want a picture
of the future, imagine a
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