RE: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live
I'm trying to get some Python Developers to create a Xbox media centre script so I can watch iplayer content on my XBMC. Actually tell a lie, I'm hacking around with some scripts myself to read bbc.co.uk/programmes and display the iplayer contents using xbmc's native flash player http://www.xbmcscripts.com Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [ ] private; [ ] ask first; [ x ] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage BC5 C3, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7TP e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: +44 (0)2080083965 m: +44 (0)7711913293 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Parry Sent: 19 December 2007 18:34 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live I tried it on my wii but no luck. "Express Install is not available in this version of the Flash Player" That would have worked quite nicely in the living room. Alan On 17/12/2007, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I tried the Flash version on an Archos player, but it didn't work. > The Flash may need upgrading... > > > > On 17/12/2007, nick richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Not yet S60 tried it in but it does work on the n800 with its lovely > > firefox 3 based browser: > > > > http://flickr.com/photos/nedrichards/2113673868/ > > > > Nick > > > > On 12/13/07, Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 13/12/2007, nick richards < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Your hand held computers have flash players? > > > > > > > > My Nokia S60 phone does. And with Flash Lite v3 (admittedly in > > > > 'developer preview' only at the moment) it supports YouTube so I > > > > don't see any reason why a UK located IP wouldn't be able to use iPlayer. > > > > (although I haven't used it yet, obviously) > > > > > > I look forward to hearing if it works or not :-) > > > > > > -- > > > Regards, > > > Dave > > > - > > > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To > > > unsubscribe, > please visit > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > > > > > - > > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, > > please > visit > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html > . Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > > > > > > -- > Please email me back if you need any more help. > > Brian Butterworth > http://www.ukfree.tv -- Alan Parry [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live
I tried it on my wii but no luck. "Express Install is not available in this version of the Flash Player" That would have worked quite nicely in the living room. Alan On 17/12/2007, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I tried the Flash version on an Archos player, but it didn't work. The > Flash may need upgrading... > > > > On 17/12/2007, nick richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Not yet S60 tried it in but it does work on the n800 with its lovely > > firefox 3 based browser: > > > > http://flickr.com/photos/nedrichards/2113673868/ > > > > Nick > > > > On 12/13/07, Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 13/12/2007, nick richards < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Your hand held computers have flash players? > > > > > > > > My Nokia S60 phone does. And with Flash Lite v3 (admittedly in > > > > 'developer preview' only at the moment) it supports YouTube so I don't > > > > see any reason why a UK located IP wouldn't be able to use iPlayer. > > > > (although I haven't used it yet, obviously) > > > > > > I look forward to hearing if it works or not :-) > > > > > > -- > > > Regards, > > > Dave > > > - > > > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, > please visit > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > > > > > - > > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html > . Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > > > > > > -- > Please email me back if you need any more help. > > Brian Butterworth > http://www.ukfree.tv -- Alan Parry [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live
On 12/12/2007, Tom Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer Flash streaming also now works from the appropriate pages of http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/ e.g. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b008j2lq Good joined-up thinking there, and all this makes linking *whole* BBC programmes from websites trivial - wow. The only slight criticism of it as it stands: if say I'm linking a particular Flash stream from a blog entry, it would be good to get some indication of when the stream is likely to disappear (especially in the case of programmes repeated within 7 days of first broadcast) Rhys - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live
Just tried watching Hood in full screen flash - far too jerky. No download option this week either, a very very clunky interface, no subscription feature, DRM times out wrongly (too early)... Is this supposed to launch on Christmas day? Davy -- Davy Mitchell Blog - http://daftspaniel.blogspot.com Twitter - http://twitter.com/daftspaniel Skype - daftspaniel needgod.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live
On 17/12/2007, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I tried the Flash version on an Archos player, but it didn't work. The > Flash may need upgrading... ... to a free one ;-) -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live
I tried the Flash version on an Archos player, but it didn't work. The Flash may need upgrading... On 17/12/2007, nick richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Not yet S60 tried it in but it does work on the n800 with its lovely > firefox 3 based browser: > > http://flickr.com/photos/nedrichards/2113673868/ > > Nick > > On 12/13/07, Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 13/12/2007, nick richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Your hand held computers have flash players? > > > > > > My Nokia S60 phone does. And with Flash Lite v3 (admittedly in > > > 'developer preview' only at the moment) it supports YouTube so I don't > > > see any reason why a UK located IP wouldn't be able to use iPlayer. > > > (although I haven't used it yet, obviously) > > > > I look forward to hearing if it works or not :-) > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Dave > > - > > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, > please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial > list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial > list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv
Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live
Not yet S60 tried it in but it does work on the n800 with its lovely firefox 3 based browser: http://flickr.com/photos/nedrichards/2113673868/ Nick On 12/13/07, Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 13/12/2007, nick richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Your hand held computers have flash players? > > > > My Nokia S60 phone does. And with Flash Lite v3 (admittedly in > > 'developer preview' only at the moment) it supports YouTube so I don't > > see any reason why a UK located IP wouldn't be able to use iPlayer. > > (although I haven't used it yet, obviously) > > I look forward to hearing if it works or not :-) > > -- > Regards, > Dave > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live
Richard Cartwright wrote: > Is iPlayer the BBC website killer? As Facebook is blocked in more and more > workplaces due to the amount of time employees spend using it, will > employees catching up with last nights TV at work cause bbc.co.uk to become > a blocked site too? If a company's staff are more inclined to watch TV at work than getting some work done, they have bigger problems than those that can be fixed with some overly-broad firewall rules. I don't think the BBC should be worried about such dysfunctional companies. -- Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live
Matthew Cashmore wrote: > Working on my install of Ubuntu to - as well as my Mac - which is the main > thing! Watching Dr Who as I type :-) > > Joy. Doesn't yet work for everything on Firefox/Linux: "Sorry, Gergiev Conducts Three 20th Century Greats is not available to play here." Presumably, this is because it's from longer ago than yesterday, since shows from this morning seem to be available. -- Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live
My Vario 2 (HTC Hermes) has Flash Player 7, the latest supported (and available) release of Flash for WinMo mobile devices. Believe me, I've tried to update it to something newer, it just ain't happening. It doesn't do youtube or just about any other embedded-flash webpage properly, and can't even display flash content unless it's embedded in the 'classic' way - which is also the way hardly anybody uses now because it's 1) clunky and 2) triggers the marching ants around the Flash frame (thanks for that USPO) - so you get that message telling you to upgrade your flash player all the time. Strike 1. Anyway, initial impressions of /iplayer on my phone (using PIE): horribly rendered front page, have to click on the text for each front page programme to actually get to its page (clicking on the image does nothing). Once you're on the page, the flash doesn't even load, and neither does the descriptor text underneath or owt. Don't have much spare time right now, my DVD render's just finished so my attention's about to be drawn to that, but I've not given Opera Mobile a go yet (though I doubt it'd work at all). At least by stripping the DRM off the WMV files I can transfer them to my mobile device, should I wish to watch something at lunch... But then I just have iPlayer installed on the laptop I use at work, and I can download stuff overnight. Flash *really* strains mobile devices anyway, they're not built for pure horsepower grunt with their RISC processors and limited battery life. Incidentally, I watched some stuff on my Wnidows 2000 machine last night (in the flash player) - and it refused to hardware upscale when I went fullscreen, instead software rendering, resulting in about 1.5fps and horrible pixelation and image tearing. This is in Firefox, IE's Flash Player update wanted me to reboot to finish the installation (!) so I just used Firefox, which updated the plugin no problems and let me use it again straight away. ... I'm wondering if this upscaling thing is just a Windows 2000 thing or if it's something to do with the Firefox plugin - but it's certainly a cause for concern down the line. The housemate likes it though. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 13 December 2007 13:19 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live On 13/12/2007, nick richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 12/13/07, Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 13/12/2007, Oeztunali, Sebnem < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "... where I actually want to download > > the videos before I watch because they're saved on my PC then for subsequent > > Viewing..." > > > > Don't you just need to hit the "play again" button for subsequent viewing > > in a flash player? > > Your hand held computers have flash players? My Nokia S60 phone does. And with Flash Lite v3 (admittedly in 'developer preview' only at the moment) it supports YouTube so I don't see any reason why a UK located IP wouldn't be able to use iPlayer. (although I haven't used it yet, obviously) On my Lobster (Windows Mobile 5), I can't use the iPlayer with Opera, I get a "this only works in the UK" message. On the same phone, IE does nothing! There are a range of Flashes for mobile devices at: http://www.adobe.com/devnet/devices/pocket_pc.html Nick - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv <http://www.ukfree.tv>
Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live
Watching Dr Who at the BBC is work! Honest. (I'm watching Have I Got New for You now) m On 13/12/07 16:24, "Tom Cartwright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Get back to work! > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Cashmore > Sent: 13 December 2007 15:50 > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Subject: Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live > > Working on my install of Ubuntu to - as well as my Mac - which is the > main thing! Watching Dr Who as I type :-) > > Joy. > > m > > > On 13/12/07 13:14, "Glyn Wintle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> It does work on my Ubuntu. Adobe Flash Player 9 >> >> - Original Message >> From: Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk >> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:16:23 PM >> Subject: Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live >> >> Nice to see the BBC have made sure that it doesn't run on Linux, or at > >> least it doesn't run on this version. I get a nice blank grey screen. >> >> And a mouse hand with no indication of what it does. >> Clicking it informs me I have to enter into a legally binding >> contract[1]. >> A contract that states if I want to use a tablet I have to also buy >> Windows XP. (it lists a specific version I must have). >> How is it in the least bit cross platform if I have to enter into a >> contract that says I have to use WindowsXP? >> It also states the software can only be used on a PC, so what are Mac >> users meant to do? (aside from breach contract). >> >> This is a complete sham. With the contract for the software needed to >> access the content it works on very few platforms. And oddly it won't >> work on other implementations of Flash. >> >> How about using a non-Windows streaming solution? Or is the plan to >> try and trick the Trust into believing that software that states PC >> only, and Tablet PCs must run WinXP is cross platform? >> >> [1] http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/players/flash/ >> >> Andy > > ___ > Matthew Cashmore > Development Producer > > BBC Future Media & Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast > Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP > > T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) > M:07711 913241(072 83959) > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, > please visit > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media & Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live
On 13/12/07 16:24, "Tom Cartwright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Get back to work! Is iPlayer the BBC website killer? As Facebook is blocked in more and more workplaces due to the amount of time employees spend using it, will employees catching up with last nights TV at work cause bbc.co.uk to become a blocked site too? Richard -- Dr Richard Cartwright media systems architect portability4media.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile +44 (0)7792 799930 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live
Ogg is a container format, like QuickTime MOV and Microsoft AVI and ASF (WMV/WMA). I agree it would be great if browsers recognized the Ogg container and Theora/Vorbis cidecs natively, the way they recognize JPG and GIF &c. Theora is great and there are powerful FOSS tools to transcode to it, for example I created the Theora and Vorbis files on this page: http://fsfeurope.org/projects/gplv3/europe-gplv3-conference.en.html quite easily from consumer MiniDV with ffmpeg2theora. Technically speaking, I don't see why Dirac couldn't be offered in an Ogg container either. Although both Theora and Dirac are scalable to HD, the great advantage to the BBC with Dirac is that internal video storage and indexing could be seamless with a Dirac-based frontend. There's little doubt now that MPEG-4 AVC / H.264 has won against Microsoft WM9 / VC-1 in the industry broadcast wars. But on the Windows desktop, anything other than WM9 has a steep uphill climb. Free codecs will have better chances as Microsoft's stranglehold on personal computers diminishes. Sean On 12/13/07, Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 13/12/2007, Sean DALY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> De facto standards are typically undocumented, controlled > > >> by only one or two organisations, and patent encumbered. > > > > It's in this context that I think BBC Dirac in Flash would make sense > > for the BBC. The Macromedia Flash container started off with Sorenson > > Spark (rumored to be an early version of H.264) and the addition of > > On2 VP6 and H.264 since the Adobe takeover showed they know how to > > build in a scalable codec. > > IMO a better solution than Dirac in Flash is Theora in Ogg. Ogg Theora > was going to be in HTML 5, but appears to have been dropped :-( > > If HTML5 does eventually have Xiph formats, the future of web audio > and video will be patent-unemcumbered :-) > > "there is currently a specification for HTML5 being developed by the > WHATWG including the possibility of including a new element in > HTML5 with native support for Ogg Theora/Vorbis as a baseline video > format by browsers." > ... > "The problems facing Ogg Theora/Vorbis are really about usability and uptake." > - > http://wiki.transmission.cc/index.php/FOSS_Codecs_For_Online_Video:_Usability_Uptake_and_Development_1.2#Future_of_Web_Video > > > "Ogg technology has been removed from the HTML5 spec, after Ian caved > in the face of pressure from Apple and Nokia." > - http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/11/1339251 > > -- > Regards, > Dave > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live
The Solaris 10 11/06 machine sitting on my desk is also playing the streams. All it needed was the flash plugin downloading from Adobe. -- Gareth Davis | Production Systems Specialist WS Future Media, Digital Delivery Team - Part of BBC Global News Division * 707NE Bush House, Strand, London, WC2B 4PH > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glyn Wintle > Sent: 13 December 2007 13:14 > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Subject: Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live > > It does work on my Ubuntu. Adobe Flash Player 9 > > - Original Message > From: Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:16:23 PM > Subject: Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live > > Nice to see the BBC have made sure that it doesn't run on Linux, or at > least it doesn't run on this version. I get a nice blank grey screen. > > And a mouse hand with no indication of what it does. > Clicking it informs me I have to enter into a legally binding > contract[1]. > A contract that states if I want to use a tablet I have to also buy > Windows XP. (it lists a specific version I must have). > How is it in the least bit cross platform if I have to enter into a > contract that says I have to use WindowsXP? > It also states the software can only be used on a PC, so what are Mac > users meant to do? (aside from breach contract). > > This is a complete sham. With the contract for the software needed to > access the content it works on very few platforms. And oddly it won't > work on other implementations of Flash. > > How about using a non-Windows streaming solution? Or is the plan to > try and trick the Trust into believing that software that states PC > only, and Tablet PCs must run WinXP is cross platform? > > [1] http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/players/flash/ > > Andy > > -- > Computers are like air conditioners. Both stop working, if you open > windows. > -- Adam Heath > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, > please visit > > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > > > > > > > __ > __ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To > unsubscribe, please visit > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live
Get back to work! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Cashmore Sent: 13 December 2007 15:50 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live Working on my install of Ubuntu to - as well as my Mac - which is the main thing! Watching Dr Who as I type :-) Joy. m On 13/12/07 13:14, "Glyn Wintle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It does work on my Ubuntu. Adobe Flash Player 9 > > - Original Message > From: Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:16:23 PM > Subject: Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live > > Nice to see the BBC have made sure that it doesn't run on Linux, or at > least it doesn't run on this version. I get a nice blank grey screen. > > And a mouse hand with no indication of what it does. > Clicking it informs me I have to enter into a legally binding > contract[1]. > A contract that states if I want to use a tablet I have to also buy > Windows XP. (it lists a specific version I must have). > How is it in the least bit cross platform if I have to enter into a > contract that says I have to use WindowsXP? > It also states the software can only be used on a PC, so what are Mac > users meant to do? (aside from breach contract). > > This is a complete sham. With the contract for the software needed to > access the content it works on very few platforms. And oddly it won't > work on other implementations of Flash. > > How about using a non-Windows streaming solution? Or is the plan to > try and trick the Trust into believing that software that states PC > only, and Tablet PCs must run WinXP is cross platform? > > [1] http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/players/flash/ > > Andy ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media & Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live
Working on my install of Ubuntu to - as well as my Mac - which is the main thing! Watching Dr Who as I type :-) Joy. m On 13/12/07 13:14, "Glyn Wintle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It does work on my Ubuntu. Adobe Flash Player 9 > > - Original Message > From: Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:16:23 PM > Subject: Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live > > Nice to see the BBC have made sure that it doesn't run on Linux, or at > least it doesn't run on this version. I get a nice blank grey screen. > > And a mouse hand with no indication of what it does. > Clicking it informs me I have to enter into a legally binding > contract[1]. > A contract that states if I want to use a tablet I have to also buy > Windows XP. (it lists a specific version I must have). > How is it in the least bit cross platform if I have to enter into a > contract that says I have to use WindowsXP? > It also states the software can only be used on a PC, so what are Mac > users meant to do? (aside from breach contract). > > This is a complete sham. With the contract for the software needed to > access the content it works on very few platforms. And oddly it won't > work on other implementations of Flash. > > How about using a non-Windows streaming solution? Or is the plan to > try and trick the Trust into believing that software that states PC > only, and Tablet PCs must run WinXP is cross platform? > > [1] http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/players/flash/ > > Andy ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media & Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live
On 13/12/2007, Sean DALY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> De facto standards are typically undocumented, controlled > >> by only one or two organisations, and patent encumbered. > > It's in this context that I think BBC Dirac in Flash would make sense > for the BBC. The Macromedia Flash container started off with Sorenson > Spark (rumored to be an early version of H.264) and the addition of > On2 VP6 and H.264 since the Adobe takeover showed they know how to > build in a scalable codec. IMO a better solution than Dirac in Flash is Theora in Ogg. Ogg Theora was going to be in HTML 5, but appears to have been dropped :-( If HTML5 does eventually have Xiph formats, the future of web audio and video will be patent-unemcumbered :-) "there is currently a specification for HTML5 being developed by the WHATWG including the possibility of including a new element in HTML5 with native support for Ogg Theora/Vorbis as a baseline video format by browsers." ... "The problems facing Ogg Theora/Vorbis are really about usability and uptake." - http://wiki.transmission.cc/index.php/FOSS_Codecs_For_Online_Video:_Usability_Uptake_and_Development_1.2#Future_of_Web_Video "Ogg technology has been removed from the HTML5 spec, after Ian caved in the face of pressure from Apple and Nokia." - http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/11/1339251 -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live
>> De facto standards are typically undocumented, controlled >> by only one or two organisations, and patent encumbered. >> >> Sometimes, like with PDF, they can become real standards. Quite right, Microsoft / Apple / Real are only too happy to introduce running spec changes to their formats which break mplayer / VLC / ffmpeg / Miro / &c. The MPEG standards remain the "sure values". Today, MPEG-1 (1992) is the only video standard reliably playable in all standalone players and its audio component MP3 is still king. Television over xDSL is usually MPEG-2 when it's not MPEG-4 AVC / H.264. DVDs are MPEG-2. Even some HD-DVDs and Blu-Ray discs are MPEG-2. But even MPEG standards are willfully subverted: Apple FairPlay DRM which is available for licensing to: nobody, is based on MPEG-4 AVC and AAC. The libre players handle MPEG formats although there is the patent licensing cloud. In my opinion, Microsoft opened the door of opportunity to Adobe Flash by refusing to ship MPEG-4 AVC / AAC codecs in Windows Media Player (they do so in the XBox) trying to protect WM9 / VC-1. So QuickTime, the official MPEG-4 reference platform, handles that on Windows (and Mac and iPods). Apple laughs all the way to the bank with the iTunes Music Store using these modern formats which offer filesize, metadata and transport stream advantages over the older formats. Adobe's adoption of MPEG-4 AVC / H.264 encapsulation in Flash is significant because content creators are widely adopting H.264 and their workflow to Flash will be simplified. It's in this context that I think BBC Dirac in Flash would make sense for the BBC. The Macromedia Flash container started off with Sorenson Spark (rumored to be an early version of H.264) and the addition of On2 VP6 and H.264 since the Adobe takeover showed they know how to build in a scalable codec. The classic problem is distributing the client players with the latest codecs, features, and security, but the BBC wants to do that anyway by branding the player. And the removal of the patent licensing issues is not a minor advantage in my opinion. Sean - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live
On 13/12/2007, Oeztunali, Sebnem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I cannot understand anyoneelse not supporting flash; If I'd had a > hand held and would want to watch anything on that small display: it > wouldn't be anything else but 3min youtube videos. > > Why this repulsion against de facto standards? De facto standards are typically undocumented, controlled by only one or two organisations, and patent encumbered. Sometimes, like with PDF, they can become real standards. -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live
If you're using Opera Mini on the Lobster, it will route your traffic through a proxy, to cut down image sizes - this server is outside of the UK, is there a version of Opera you can get that won't cache the content off-shore? I think in the full fledged version (you have to pay but there's a free trial) you can turn caching off - this might be worth a go? I will try it when I get some time on my N95, just got it so want to see what I can do with it. Anyone else had success or failure with the N95? --Matt On 13/12/2007, Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 13/12/2007, nick richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Your hand held computers have flash players? > > > > My Nokia S60 phone does. And with Flash Lite v3 (admittedly in > > 'developer preview' only at the moment) it supports YouTube so I don't > > see any reason why a UK located IP wouldn't be able to use iPlayer. > > (although I haven't used it yet, obviously) > > I look forward to hearing if it works or not :-) > > -- > Regards, > Dave > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial > list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ >
Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live
On 13/12/2007, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Don't you just need to hit the "play again" button for subsequent > > > > viewing in a flash player? > > > > > > Your hand held computers have flash players? > > > > My Nokia S60 phone does. > > There are a range of Flashes for mobile devices at: > http://www.adobe.com/devnet/devices/pocket_pc.html I was thinking about handheld computers typically used to play video - iPods and Archos and such. -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live
On 13/12/2007, nick richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Your hand held computers have flash players? > > My Nokia S60 phone does. And with Flash Lite v3 (admittedly in > 'developer preview' only at the moment) it supports YouTube so I don't > see any reason why a UK located IP wouldn't be able to use iPlayer. > (although I haven't used it yet, obviously) I look forward to hearing if it works or not :-) -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live
James Cridland of this parish has also written a blog post here with a screenshot of it running on Ubuntu. http://james.cridland.net/blog/2007/12/12/iplayer-on-gnulinux/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glyn Wintle Sent: 13 December 2007 13:14 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live It does work on my Ubuntu. Adobe Flash Player 9 - Original Message From: Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:16:23 PM Subject: Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live Nice to see the BBC have made sure that it doesn't run on Linux, or at least it doesn't run on this version. I get a nice blank grey screen. And a mouse hand with no indication of what it does. Clicking it informs me I have to enter into a legally binding contract[1]. A contract that states if I want to use a tablet I have to also buy Windows XP. (it lists a specific version I must have). How is it in the least bit cross platform if I have to enter into a contract that says I have to use WindowsXP? It also states the software can only be used on a PC, so what are Mac users meant to do? (aside from breach contract). This is a complete sham. With the contract for the software needed to access the content it works on very few platforms. And oddly it won't work on other implementations of Flash. How about using a non-Windows streaming solution? Or is the plan to try and trick the Trust into believing that software that states PC only, and Tablet PCs must run WinXP is cross platform? [1] http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/players/flash/ Andy -- Computers are like air conditioners. Both stop working, if you open windows. -- Adam Heath - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live
On 13/12/2007, nick richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 12/13/07, Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 13/12/2007, Oeztunali, Sebnem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > "... where I actually want to download > > > the videos before I watch because they're saved on my PC then for > subsequent > > > Viewing..." > > > > > > Don't you just need to hit the "play again" button for subsequent > viewing > > > in a flash player? > > > > Your hand held computers have flash players? > > My Nokia S60 phone does. And with Flash Lite v3 (admittedly in > 'developer preview' only at the moment) it supports YouTube so I don't > see any reason why a UK located IP wouldn't be able to use iPlayer. > (although I haven't used it yet, obviously) On my Lobster (Windows Mobile 5), I can't use the iPlayer with Opera, I get a "this only works in the UK" message. On the same phone, IE does nothing! There are a range of Flashes for mobile devices at: http://www.adobe.com/devnet/devices/pocket_pc.html Nick > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial > list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv
Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live
It does work on my Ubuntu. Adobe Flash Player 9 - Original Message From: Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:16:23 PM Subject: Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live Nice to see the BBC have made sure that it doesn't run on Linux, or at least it doesn't run on this version. I get a nice blank grey screen. And a mouse hand with no indication of what it does. Clicking it informs me I have to enter into a legally binding contract[1]. A contract that states if I want to use a tablet I have to also buy Windows XP. (it lists a specific version I must have). How is it in the least bit cross platform if I have to enter into a contract that says I have to use WindowsXP? It also states the software can only be used on a PC, so what are Mac users meant to do? (aside from breach contract). This is a complete sham. With the contract for the software needed to access the content it works on very few platforms. And oddly it won't work on other implementations of Flash. How about using a non-Windows streaming solution? Or is the plan to try and trick the Trust into believing that software that states PC only, and Tablet PCs must run WinXP is cross platform? [1] http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/players/flash/ Andy -- Computers are like air conditioners. Both stop working, if you open windows. -- Adam Heath - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live
On 13/12/2007, Sean DALY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm waiting for the day the BBC arranges Dirac encapsulation with > Adobe. There was a precedent with the special Real Player version a > few years ago. The advantages for the Beeb would be fantastic > particularly for simplified internal transcoding. Dirac is an > unencumbered format, H.264 patent licensing issues would be sidelined > so the open development community (in particular Gnash) would likely > embrace it. That is an excellent suggestion :-) -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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On 12/13/07, Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 13/12/2007, Oeztunali, Sebnem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "... where I actually want to download > > the videos before I watch because they're saved on my PC then for subsequent > > Viewing..." > > > > Don't you just need to hit the "play again" button for subsequent viewing > > in a flash player? > > Your hand held computers have flash players? My Nokia S60 phone does. And with Flash Lite v3 (admittedly in 'developer preview' only at the moment) it supports YouTube so I don't see any reason why a UK located IP wouldn't be able to use iPlayer. (although I haven't used it yet, obviously) Nick - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live
Does anyone know, is the Flash-encapsulated video On2-VP6, or H.264? I suspect it's the latter but support for that is very recent and compatible players are certainly not widespread yet. I'm waiting for the day the BBC arranges Dirac encapsulation with Adobe. There was a precedent with the special Real Player version a few years ago. The advantages for the Beeb would be fantastic particularly for simplified internal transcoding. Dirac is an unencumbered format, H.264 patent licensing issues would be sidelined so the open development community (in particular Gnash) would likely embrace it. Of course, if DRM is used, it's back to square one for platform neutrality I suppose. Sean - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live
Nice to see the BBC have made sure that it doesn't run on Linux, or at least it doesn't run on this version. I get a nice blank grey screen. And a mouse hand with no indication of what it does. Clicking it informs me I have to enter into a legally binding contract[1]. A contract that states if I want to use a tablet I have to also buy Windows XP. (it lists a specific version I must have). How is it in the least bit cross platform if I have to enter into a contract that says I have to use WindowsXP? It also states the software can only be used on a PC, so what are Mac users meant to do? (aside from breach contract). This is a complete sham. With the contract for the software needed to access the content it works on very few platforms. And oddly it won't work on other implementations of Flash. How about using a non-Windows streaming solution? Or is the plan to try and trick the Trust into believing that software that states PC only, and Tablet PCs must run WinXP is cross platform? [1] http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/players/flash/ Andy -- Computers are like air conditioners. Both stop working, if you open windows. -- Adam Heath - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live
my guess: iPlayer will go fully flash my guess: the archive will be split - kangaroo will only want those programmes which are commercially valuable (order of 10,000 hours at a total guess), which is a tiny fraction of the overall archive (1 million programmes) And a public value test almost certainly awaits the latter should the BBC choose to release some or all of it as public service - regardless of whether it's done under a view/listen only or creative re-use licence. On 13/12/2007, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is the general idea now that the iPlayer migrate to be a Flash-delivered > "catch-up" service and the archive be moved to Project Kangaroo? > > On 12/12/2007, Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 12/12/2007, Tom Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > asta la vista DRM debate > > > > I wouldn't be so sure about that; isn't there DRM in Flash video streaming > too? > > > > > - does it work with gnash, i wonder? > > > > It doesn't work, although a black to white gradient is rendered and > > that's it, so it doesn't crash or anything too bad. > > > > The "download information" section says "Sorry, downloading BBC > > iPlayer programmes is currently only available for Windows. (Why?)" > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Dave > > - > > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > > > > > > -- > Please email me back if you need any more help. > > Brian Butterworth > http://www.ukfree.tv - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2007/dec/13/bbc.digitalmedia?gusrc=rss&feed=media On 13/12/2007, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is the general idea now that the iPlayer migrate to be a Flash-delivered > "catch-up" service and the archive be moved to Project Kangaroo? > > On 12/12/2007, Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 12/12/2007, Tom Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > asta la vista DRM debate > > > > I wouldn't be so sure about that; isn't there DRM in Flash video > > streaming too? > > > > > - does it work with gnash, i wonder? > > > > It doesn't work, although a black to white gradient is rendered and > > that's it, so it doesn't crash or anything too bad. > > > > The "download information" section says "Sorry, downloading BBC > > iPlayer programmes is currently only available for Windows. (Why?)" > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Dave > > - > > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, > > please visit > > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial > > list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > > > > > > -- > Please email me back if you need any more help. > > Brian Butterworth > http://www.ukfree.tv -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv
Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live
On 13/12/2007, Oeztunali, Sebnem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "... where I actually want to download > the videos before I watch because they're saved on my PC then for subsequent > Viewing..." > > Don't you just need to hit the "play again" button for subsequent viewing > in a flash player? Your hand held computers have flash players? -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live
Is the general idea now that the iPlayer migrate to be a Flash-delivered "catch-up" service and the archive be moved to Project Kangaroo? On 12/12/2007, Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 12/12/2007, Tom Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > asta la vista DRM debate > > I wouldn't be so sure about that; isn't there DRM in Flash video streaming > too? > > > - does it work with gnash, i wonder? > > It doesn't work, although a black to white gradient is rendered and > that's it, so it doesn't crash or anything too bad. > > The "download information" section says "Sorry, downloading BBC > iPlayer programmes is currently only available for Windows. (Why?)" > > -- > Regards, > Dave > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial > list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv
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On 13/12/2007, Tom Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > asta la vista DRM debate > > > > I wouldn't be so sure about that; isn't there DRM in Flash video > > > > streaming too? > > > sorry - you're right - flash streaming using flash media server can be > > > DRM'd > > Is the Flash iPlayer using flash media server with the DRM turned on? > > I'd surprised if said DRM worked with my 2005-era Flash 8 Firefox plug in This is great news! :-) > and the BBC stated last week that it's planning to use FMS v3 > http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/143967/adobe-releases-flash-media-server-3.html This is concerning; when the BBC uses FMSv3, will is turn on the DRM? > linux peeps http://www.gnu.org/gnu/why-gnu-linux.html :-) -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live
Well well, this was snuck out, wasn't it! The first I knew was when Iain (housemate) rushed into my room earlier and loudly announced that he'd 'gotten his wish', because as a mac user all he's ever wanted to do is stream the iplayer content to watch then and there (he doesn't want to download anything beforehand unlike me, where I actually want to download the videos before I watch because they're saved on my PC then for subsequent viewing). I have a feeling this'll become a much-discussed point of contention between us for the next few days... ... I grinned when I found the Spinal Tap easter egg ;) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live
> > > > asta la vista DRM debate > > > > > > I wouldn't be so sure about that; isn't there DRM in Flash video > > > streaming too? > > > > sorry - you're right - flash streaming using flash media server can be DRM'd > > Is the Flash iPlayer using flash media server with the DRM turned on? I dunno - given Flash Media Server v3 (the one with DRM) was only officially launched last week, I'd surprised if said DRM worked with my 2005-era Flash 8 Firefox plug in - which is happily playing Joan Rivers as I type. But I could well be wrong... and the BBC stated last week that it's planning to use FMS v3 http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/143967/adobe-releases-flash-media-server-3.html I'm sure you linux peeps can poke around under the bonnet and find out, can't you? ;o) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live
DRM is central to Adobe's pitch to broadcasters: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6558979.stm http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressreleases/200712/120407adobefms3.html - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live
On 12/12/2007, Tom Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 12/12/2007, Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 12/12/2007, Tom Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > asta la vista DRM debate > > > > I wouldn't be so sure about that; isn't there DRM in Flash video streaming > > too? > > sorry - you're right - flash streaming using flash media server can be DRM'd Is the Flash iPlayer using flash media server with the DRM turned on? -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live
On 12/12/2007, Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 12/12/2007, Tom Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > asta la vista DRM debate > > I wouldn't be so sure about that; isn't there DRM in Flash video streaming > too? sorry - you're right - flash streaming using flash media server can be DRM'd though I'm intrigued as to why The Monarchy (a commercially valuable Independently-produced programme) is not available streamed but appears to be available for download. > > - does it work with gnash, i wonder? > > It doesn't work, although a black to white gradient is rendered and > that's it, so it doesn't crash or anything too bad. > > The "download information" section says "Sorry, downloading BBC > iPlayer programmes is currently only available for Windows. (Why?)" same on this mac - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live
On 12/12/2007, Tom Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > asta la vista DRM debate I wouldn't be so sure about that; isn't there DRM in Flash video streaming too? > - does it work with gnash, i wonder? It doesn't work, although a black to white gradient is rendered and that's it, so it doesn't crash or anything too bad. The "download information" section says "Sorry, downloading BBC iPlayer programmes is currently only available for Windows. (Why?)" -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
