Re: [backstage] Open Flash

2008-05-08 Thread Dave Crossland
2008/5/6 ST [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Kontiki may be inferior in technological terms, but would be vastly superior in terms of a Media Lawyer never having seen its name associated with intellectual property theft. There is no such thing as intellectual property theft, and that phrase is so

[backstage] Stephen Fry: There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure

2008-05-08 Thread Brian Butterworth
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/may/08/bbc.television2 *He also sounded a warning for BBC executives, accusing them of incredible naivety in believing they could control the distribution of programmes online. * *Programmes distributed via the BBC's increasingly popular online iPlayer

RE: [backstage] Stephen Fry: There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure

2008-05-08 Thread Andrew Wong
It's rather interesting that one of the very few TV personalities who really *gets* the digital revolution (tm) and all that is essentially arguing that the digital arms race needs to be beefed up, instead of starting negotations. My personal opinion, not those of my employers etc. Andrew

Re: [backstage] Stephen Fry: There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure

2008-05-08 Thread Tom Loosemore
unhelpfully, the BBC's not yet put up the transcript of the speech, so it's hard to judge given the vagries of reporting... http://www.bbc.co.uk/thefuture/ 2008/5/8 Andrew Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Can I just pedal backwards very quickly as I realise that in reading the article, Mr. Fry

RE: [backstage] Stephen Fry: There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure

2008-05-08 Thread Andrew Wong
Can I just pedal backwards very quickly as I realise that in reading the article, Mr. Fry actually said no such thing... he just pointed out that the lock wasn't particularly secure. Which is not news to anyone... *pedals backwards rapidly* From: [EMAIL

Re: [backstage] Stephen Fry: There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure

2008-05-08 Thread Tom Loosemore
Good example of how the world looks *very* different if you're a rights holder currently making money from your secondary rights... even a rights holder as clued up as Fry 2008/5/8 Andrew Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It's rather interesting that one of the very few TV personalities who really

Re: [backstage] Stephen Fry: There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure

2008-05-08 Thread Matt Barber
Didn't think of it like that, good points On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Tom Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good example of how the world looks *very* different if you're a rights holder currently making money from your secondary rights... even a rights holder as clued up as Fry -

RE: [backstage] Freesat: open platform AND iPlayer

2008-05-08 Thread Andrew Bowden
All the boxes have ethernet ports, and my colleagues at BBC Research and Innovation have done some nice proof-of-concept trials of MHEG applications picking up text content distributed via the internet - for example, sourcing news stories off bbc.co.uk/news, putting twitter updates on screen and

Re: [backstage] Freesat: open platform AND iPlayer

2008-05-08 Thread Brian Butterworth
Andrew, There was a demo of a system using MHEG5 and the Creative Archive that we were shown at the MGEIT(un)F last year. Shouldn't be a problem to do a Flash video player now the format has been 'opened'. My first app for that system would be a Podcast player... I've got a Humax Foxsat-HD,

RE: [backstage] Freesat: open platform AND iPlayer

2008-05-08 Thread Andrew Bowden
Yep - the BBC Archive Trial was an interesting project, and proves much of the technicalities and that, along with another trial called BBC+ did feed into the Freesat specifications. The Archive Trial used Netgem iPlayer DTT boxes which also have ethernet ports and a number were given to people

Re: [backstage] Stephen Fry: There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure

2008-05-08 Thread Richard P Edwards
I agree with Mr Fry's position and furthermore, I think that it is important, as is my own case, to understand that there are many rights-holders who fear all of this. and the result is that they cannot see a high quality/secure way to release their work for financial reward.

Re: [backstage] Freesat: open platform AND iPlayer

2008-05-08 Thread Brian Butterworth
2008/5/8 Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yep - the BBC Archive Trial was an interesting project, and proves much of the technicalities and that, along with another trial called BBC+ did feed into the Freesat specifications. The Archive Trial used Netgem iPlayer DTT boxes which also have

RE: [backstage] Stephen Fry: There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure

2008-05-08 Thread Jeremy Stone
the transcript and audio have just been uploaded. http://www.bbc.co.uk/thefuture/transcript_fry.shtml video goes out on bbc parliament and then iplayer after that on sat 9pm. fry's point about downloading iPlayer files is actually a sideshow to (another) lengthy spirited defence of the licence

RE: [backstage] Freesat: open platform AND iPlayer

2008-05-08 Thread Andrew Bowden
They'll need a few more before the ethernet port does everything we need of them :) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 08 May 2008 13:30 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject:

Re: [backstage] Stephen Fry: There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure

2008-05-08 Thread Michael Walsh
2008/5/8 Richard P Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I agree with Mr Fry's position and furthermore, I think that it is important, as is my own case, to understand that there are many rights-holders who fear all of this. and the result is that they cannot see a high quality/secure way to

Re: [backstage] Stephen Fry: There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure

2008-05-08 Thread Sean DALY
http://www.contentinople.com/author.asp?section_id=450doc_id=152567 So Verisign is spinning off Kontiki? - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive:

Re: [backstage] Stephen Fry: There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure

2008-05-08 Thread Phil Wilson
Jeremy Stone wrote: the transcript and audio have just been uploaded. http://www.bbc.co.uk/thefuture/transcript_fry.shtml wot, no mp3? ;) Phil - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.

RE: [backstage] Stephen Fry: There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure

2008-05-08 Thread Jeremy Stone
don't shoot the messenger! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Phil Wilson Sent: Thu 5/8/2008 3:56 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Stephen Fry: There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure Jeremy Stone

Re: [backstage] Stephen Fry: There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure

2008-05-08 Thread Phil Wilson
Jeremy Stone wrote: don't shoot the messenger! I initially thought of signing off as Phil 'never satisfied' Wilson, but couldn't bear the thought of causing so much nationwide tittering. Oh, wait... - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit

Re: [backstage] Freesat: open platform AND iPlayer

2008-05-08 Thread Scot McSweeney-Roberts
On 5/8/08, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately this was all done with what we term reference recievers - basically Linux based PCs which pretend to be set top boxes. The actual software in the Freesat set top boxes to handle text stuff is unlikely to be fully functional yet

RE: [backstage] Freesat: open platform AND iPlayer

2008-05-08 Thread Christopher Woods
Out of interest, does anyone know if any of the Freesat receivers are Linux based? Given their ethernet socket, in-the-field software upgrade facility to enable or add features, plus some cool translucency effects on the EPG and NN banner (from the digitalspy screenies of the Humax HD