[backstage] Weather Feeds Broken

2008-08-14 Thread fraser
Hi,

Does anyone have an ETA for a weather feed fix?

Currently the 3 day RSS feeds give us the weather for yesterday, and the
temperature is reported to 2 decimal places, which incidently also breaks the
icon display on the main BBC weather forecast pages.

Thanks
Fraser

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[backstage] Weather feeds

2007-07-06 Thread Richard Lockwood

Dear BBC,

Thak you for changing the format of the feeds at
http://feeds.bbc.co.uk/weather/feeds/rss/5day/world/.xml

Thank you so bloody much.  Grr...

R.
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Re: [backstage] Weather feeds

2007-07-06 Thread Brian Butterworth

It's the biggest problem with writing programmes to an undefined API, Autie
can change her mind!

It would be helpful if there could be somewhere changes could be posted ...
oh, that' here isn't it?


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Dear BBC,

Thak you for changing the format of the feeds at
http://feeds.bbc.co.uk/weather/feeds/rss/5day/world/.xml

Thank you so bloody much.  Grr...

R.
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RE: [backstage] Weather feeds

2007-07-06 Thread Ian Forrester
Excellent stuff. 3 day weather and a mashup already. 

Going to submit for a prototype Richard?

Ian Forrester

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If you need cheering up, you could use this map:

www.sdldev.co.uk/weather/mariannesmap.asp

:-)

Cheers,

R.

On 7/6/07, Ian Moss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Any plans for including when the next sunny day is in the 
 forecast...I'm bored of this rain now.


 Ian

  Kathryn,
 
  Thanks for the information. Are there any plans for any more changes?
 
 
  On 06/07/07, Kathryn Schmitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  Hello,
 
  We have, as you've noticed, changed our forecast feeds to include 3 
  days rather than 1.  I'm sorry for any inconvenience this may cause 
  you.  We have also added feeds for current observations at 
  http://feeds.bbc.co.uk/weather/feeds/rss/obs/world/.xml
 
  Thanks,
  Kass
 
  Kathryn Schmitt
  Senior Developer in Weather
  BBC Future Media  Technology Journalism
  2026 Television Centre
  T: 020 82259448
  M: 0771 7582482
 
  www.bbc.co.uk/weather
  www.bbc.co.uk/climate
 
 
 
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   Subject: [backstage] Weather feeds
  
   Dear BBC,
  
   Thak you for changing the format of the feeds at 
   http://feeds.bbc.co.uk/weather/feeds/rss/5day/world/.xml
  
   Thank you so bloody much.  Grr...
  
   R.
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Re: [backstage] Weather feeds

2007-07-06 Thread Richard Lockwood

Probably not this one...  :-)  I might do a proper one if I can find
an hour or so free tomorrow.

(This one was pretty tricky to pull together though - optimistic
isn't my usual frame of mind...)

Cheers,

R.

On 7/6/07, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Excellent stuff. 3 day weather and a mashup already.

Going to submit for a prototype Richard?

Ian Forrester

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Sent: 06 July 2007 16:58
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Subject: Re: [backstage] Weather feeds

If you need cheering up, you could use this map:

www.sdldev.co.uk/weather/mariannesmap.asp

:-)

Cheers,

R.

On 7/6/07, Ian Moss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Any plans for including when the next sunny day is in the
 forecast...I'm bored of this rain now.


 Ian

  Kathryn,
 
  Thanks for the information. Are there any plans for any more changes?
 
 
  On 06/07/07, Kathryn Schmitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  Hello,
 
  We have, as you've noticed, changed our forecast feeds to include 3
  days rather than 1.  I'm sorry for any inconvenience this may cause
  you.  We have also added feeds for current observations at
  http://feeds.bbc.co.uk/weather/feeds/rss/obs/world/.xml
 
  Thanks,
  Kass
 
  Kathryn Schmitt
  Senior Developer in Weather
  BBC Future Media  Technology Journalism
  2026 Television Centre
  T: 020 82259448
  M: 0771 7582482
 
  www.bbc.co.uk/weather
  www.bbc.co.uk/climate
 
 
 
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   Subject: [backstage] Weather feeds
  
   Dear BBC,
  
   Thak you for changing the format of the feeds at
   http://feeds.bbc.co.uk/weather/feeds/rss/5day/world/.xml
  
   Thank you so bloody much.  Grr...
  
   R.
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Re: [backstage] Weather Feeds

2007-03-29 Thread Gordon Joly

At 00:02 +0100 29/3/07, James Brook wrote:

Hello All,

I've finally gotten around to having a play with the weather RSS feeds and I
notice that one of the feed's trips up my xml parser.

http://feeds.bbc.co.uk/weather/feeds/rss/5day/id/3374.xml - has an illegal
character in the name the  in the Elephant  Castle.

I'm skipping it for now (sorry anyone who lives in EC).

Cheers,

James Brook



I bet the are sorry too...


:-)

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[backstage] Weather Feeds

2007-03-28 Thread James Brook
Hello All,

I've finally gotten around to having a play with the weather RSS feeds and I
notice that one of the feed's trips up my xml parser.

http://feeds.bbc.co.uk/weather/feeds/rss/5day/id/3374.xml - has an illegal
character in the name the  in the Elephant  Castle.

I'm skipping it for now (sorry anyone who lives in EC).

Cheers,

James Brook



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[backstage] Weather feeds

2006-10-05 Thread Oliver Cole
Hi,

Is there any word on when the weather feeds are being released?

I went to OpenTech '05, and I seem to recall it was happening next
week!

Thanks,
Oli

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Re: [backstage] Weather feeds

2006-09-26 Thread K Schmitt

There will be atom feeds containing day 1 of the five day forecast for
all locations available on the bbc weather site very soon (where very
soon  2 weeks).  This is what the Met Office have agreed to without a
developer key system in place.  I'm not sure what has happened to the
developer key system Mr. Metcalfe was working on.  Maybe Ian knows?

Best,
Kass

On 9/26/06, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Consider yourself slapped.

There are no BBC weather feeds at this current moment (to my knowledge), I'm
sorry to say.
People tend to use Weather.com for weather data.

Cheers,

Ian Forrester || backstage.bbc.co.uk



 
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Sent: 26 September 2006 05:44
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: [backstage] Weather feeds



All,

Slap me down for not searching, but does anyone know of the location of (if
any) beeb weather feeds exist? some kind of 'quick forecast for a region'
kind of thing?


i guess since it's metoffice data that probably isn't going to happen, but
just had to ask...




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Re: [backstage] Weather feeds

2006-09-26 Thread James Cox
That sounds rad, and, exactly what i need.:)PS: Ian, Ben was monkeying about with trying to get weather feeds working with all kinds of hoohah, perhaps you could dig around in your new hat and see where that's all at? i'm sure many of us on this list would like to play with weather more, (oh, to be young again and dream of a weather device similar to Stewie's) and so hopefully you could give us an update as to where it is at -- last discussion was back in feb.Best,jamesOn 26 Sep 2006, at 12:46, K Schmitt wrote:There will be atom feeds containing day 1 of the five day forecast forall locations available on the bbc weather site very soon (where verysoon  2 weeks).  This is what the Met Office have agreed to without adeveloper key system in place.  I'm not sure what has happened to thedeveloper key system Mr. Metcalfe was working on.  Maybe Ian knows?Best,KassOn 9/26/06, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Consider yourself slapped.There are no BBC weather feeds at this current moment (to my knowledge), I'msorry to say.People tend to use Weather.com for weather data.Cheers,Ian Forrester || backstage.bbc.co.uk  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of James CoxSent: 26 September 2006 05:44To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.ukSubject: [backstage] Weather feedsAll,Slap me down for not searching, but does anyone know of the location of (ifany) beeb weather feeds exist? some kind of 'quick forecast for a region'kind of thing?i guess since it's metoffice data that probably isn't going to happen, butjust had to ask...best,james--James Cox,Internet Consultantt: 07968 349990  e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://www.imajes.info/ -Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.  To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.  Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/  --James Cox, Internet Consultantt: 07968 349990  e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://www.imajes.info/  

Re: [backstage] Weather Feeds: these are NOT covered under the backstage terms, please do NOT use them.

2006-07-28 Thread dotBen (aka Ben Metcalfe)

Hello all,

Kim's right, these feeds should be used outside the BBC's site and
from that perspective, in the morning after the night before, I
realise I probably shouldn't have posted my previous email.

I would point out that all I did was pull the urls out of the
javascript on the BBC News Website - which no doubt someone else would
have done instead if I hadn't...

...but I did indeed know that the data wasn't licensed (which is the
different to someone else doing it ) and so in the cold light of day I
realise it was a little irresponsible for me to encourage you to put
the data on your site.

Please be patient whilst the BBC continues to work out an 'official'
weather offering with the Met Office.


Cheers
Ben



On 27/07/06, Kim Plowright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Yeah! That was quick work, and fab, thanks, but

Next time eh?

Sorry!


-Original Message-
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Sent: Thu 27/07/2006 20:47
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: RE: [backstage] Weather Feeds: these are  NOT covered under the 
backstage terms, please do NOT use them.

Ah - ignore my lat mail then. J



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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kim Plowright
Sent: 27 July 2006 20:18
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: [backstage] Weather Feeds: these are NOT covered under the
backstage terms, please do NOT use them.



Hello Everyone,

Jem is not around today, so I've been asked to put my official BBC hat
on [1] and let you all know the situation with the weather feeds
referenced below.

Here's the short version

The weather feeds detailed below are *NOT COVERED* by the BBC backstage
terms.
Please, *DO NOT* use those feeds.
I'm *REALLY SORRY*, I know you're all frustrated by the saga of getting
the weather feeds to you.

So, here's a slightly longer version.

As you all know, the data in the weather feeds isn't actually owned by
the BBC - the BBC has an agreement with the Met Office to use the data.
The good people in BBC Weather have been negotiating with the Met to get
this data publically available, but that's been a lengthy process.
Obviously, we have to find an arrangement that keeps both the Met and
the BBC, and you lot on the list happy.

Eventually, it was agreed in principal that the data could be released
to backstage under a developer key system, so the Met would know who was
using the data and how. As the government expects them to expolit their
assets commercially to relieve the burden on the tax payer, this seems
reasonable; they can tell if someone starts a commercial service using
the non-commercial data and make them stop.

The developer key system was a slight problem, though - there have been
real problems getting the system set up on the BBC infrastructure. I'm
not sure what the problems have been, I'm sorry, but I do know that the
BBC boxen are somewhat eccentric and difficult to work with, and
probably wanted the code in BBC 32K BASIC on punch cards or something.
So that's where we are.

The availability of the data without that key system has the potential
to really sour the BBC's relationship with the Met Office. It may well
make negotiating further data releases really hard, both internally and
with other BBC partners; and might jeopardise the whole backstage
project. It's bigger than 'just backstage', too - it's all of the BBC's
weather service that could be affected.

So - and I'm sorry to have to ask you this - please could you refrain
from using the feeds below.

Kass, the lovely head developer in weather, is trying to get a
free-to-air 2 day with observations RSS feed up and running, but she's
trying to do that on top of her regular stiff workload (in the same way
that I keep an eye on the list above my regular job, just out of love
for the project). Once the new backstage producer starts, then hopefully
they'll pick up the work on the developer key. I'll keep prodding people
around the organisation to keep things moving; as you know, we're
restructuring inside the BBC at the moment, so things are rather up in
the air. In the meantime, I really appreciate your patience and
forebearance in the face of lovely JSON feeds...

I know this makes us look like a bunch of numpties, and I'm personally
really sorry.

Sorry if this sounds a bit formal, I just had to rewrite it after my
work webmail ate the previous draft!

Kim

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RE: [backstage] Weather Feeds: these are NOT covered under the backstage terms, please do NOT use them.

2006-07-28 Thread Kim Plowright
 Kim's right, these feeds should be used outside the BBC's site and
from that perspective,

Freudian slip, Ben? :-)

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Metcalfe)
Sent: 28 July 2006 10:58
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] Weather Feeds: these are NOT covered under the
backstage terms, please do NOT use them.

Hello all,

Kim's right, these feeds should be used outside the BBC's site and from
that perspective, in the morning after the night before, I realise I
probably shouldn't have posted my previous email.

I would point out that all I did was pull the urls out of the javascript
on the BBC News Website - which no doubt someone else would have done
instead if I hadn't...

...but I did indeed know that the data wasn't licensed (which is the
different to someone else doing it ) and so in the cold light of day I
realise it was a little irresponsible for me to encourage you to put the
data on your site.

Please be patient whilst the BBC continues to work out an 'official'
weather offering with the Met Office.


Cheers
Ben



On 27/07/06, Kim Plowright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yeah! That was quick work, and fab, thanks, but

 Next time eh?

 Sorry!


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Phil Winstanley
 Sent: Thu 27/07/2006 20:47
 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
 Subject: RE: [backstage] Weather Feeds: these are  NOT covered under
the backstage terms, please do NOT use them.

 Ah - ignore my lat mail then. J



 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kim Plowright
 Sent: 27 July 2006 20:18
 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
 Subject: [backstage] Weather Feeds: these are NOT covered under the 
 backstage terms, please do NOT use them.



 Hello Everyone,

 Jem is not around today, so I've been asked to put my official BBC hat

 on [1] and let you all know the situation with the weather feeds 
 referenced below.

 Here's the short version

 The weather feeds detailed below are *NOT COVERED* by the BBC 
 backstage terms.
 Please, *DO NOT* use those feeds.
 I'm *REALLY SORRY*, I know you're all frustrated by the saga of 
 getting the weather feeds to you.

 So, here's a slightly longer version.

 As you all know, the data in the weather feeds isn't actually owned by

 the BBC - the BBC has an agreement with the Met Office to use the
data.
 The good people in BBC Weather have been negotiating with the Met to 
 get this data publically available, but that's been a lengthy process.
 Obviously, we have to find an arrangement that keeps both the Met and 
 the BBC, and you lot on the list happy.

 Eventually, it was agreed in principal that the data could be released

 to backstage under a developer key system, so the Met would know who 
 was using the data and how. As the government expects them to expolit 
 their assets commercially to relieve the burden on the tax payer, this

 seems reasonable; they can tell if someone starts a commercial service

 using the non-commercial data and make them stop.

 The developer key system was a slight problem, though - there have 
 been real problems getting the system set up on the BBC 
 infrastructure. I'm not sure what the problems have been, I'm sorry, 
 but I do know that the BBC boxen are somewhat eccentric and difficult 
 to work with, and probably wanted the code in BBC 32K BASIC on punch
cards or something.
 So that's where we are.

 The availability of the data without that key system has the potential

 to really sour the BBC's relationship with the Met Office. It may well

 make negotiating further data releases really hard, both internally 
 and with other BBC partners; and might jeopardise the whole backstage 
 project. It's bigger than 'just backstage', too - it's all of the 
 BBC's weather service that could be affected.

 So - and I'm sorry to have to ask you this - please could you refrain 
 from using the feeds below.

 Kass, the lovely head developer in weather, is trying to get a 
 free-to-air 2 day with observations RSS feed up and running, but she's

 trying to do that on top of her regular stiff workload (in the same 
 way that I keep an eye on the list above my regular job, just out of 
 love for the project). Once the new backstage producer starts, then 
 hopefully they'll pick up the work on the developer key. I'll keep 
 prodding people around the organisation to keep things moving; as you 
 know, we're restructuring inside the BBC at the moment, so things are 
 rather up in the air. In the meantime, I really appreciate your 
 patience and forebearance in the face of lovely JSON feeds...

 I know this makes us look like a bunch of numpties, and I'm personally

 really sorry.

 Sorry if this sounds a bit formal, I just had to rewrite it after my 
 work webmail ate the previous draft!

 Kim

 [1] Heather coloured tweed, with a trout fishing fly in the hatband, 
 for those of you who remember

Re: [backstage] Weather Feeds: these are NOT covered under the backstage terms, please do NOT use them.

2006-07-28 Thread dotBen (aka Ben Metcalfe)

yes, sorry.  they SHOULDN'T be used outside the BBC.



On 28/07/06, Kim Plowright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Kim's right, these feeds should be used outside the BBC's site and
from that perspective,

Freudian slip, Ben? :-)

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Metcalfe)
Sent: 28 July 2006 10:58
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] Weather Feeds: these are NOT covered under the
backstage terms, please do NOT use them.

Hello all,

Kim's right, these feeds should be used outside the BBC's site and from
that perspective, in the morning after the night before, I realise I
probably shouldn't have posted my previous email.

I would point out that all I did was pull the urls out of the javascript
on the BBC News Website - which no doubt someone else would have done
instead if I hadn't...

...but I did indeed know that the data wasn't licensed (which is the
different to someone else doing it ) and so in the cold light of day I
realise it was a little irresponsible for me to encourage you to put the
data on your site.

Please be patient whilst the BBC continues to work out an 'official'
weather offering with the Met Office.


Cheers
Ben



On 27/07/06, Kim Plowright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yeah! That was quick work, and fab, thanks, but

 Next time eh?

 Sorry!


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Phil Winstanley
 Sent: Thu 27/07/2006 20:47
 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
 Subject: RE: [backstage] Weather Feeds: these are  NOT covered under
the backstage terms, please do NOT use them.

 Ah - ignore my lat mail then. J



 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kim Plowright
 Sent: 27 July 2006 20:18
 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
 Subject: [backstage] Weather Feeds: these are NOT covered under the
 backstage terms, please do NOT use them.



 Hello Everyone,

 Jem is not around today, so I've been asked to put my official BBC hat

 on [1] and let you all know the situation with the weather feeds
 referenced below.

 Here's the short version

 The weather feeds detailed below are *NOT COVERED* by the BBC
 backstage terms.
 Please, *DO NOT* use those feeds.
 I'm *REALLY SORRY*, I know you're all frustrated by the saga of
 getting the weather feeds to you.

 So, here's a slightly longer version.

 As you all know, the data in the weather feeds isn't actually owned by

 the BBC - the BBC has an agreement with the Met Office to use the
data.
 The good people in BBC Weather have been negotiating with the Met to
 get this data publically available, but that's been a lengthy process.
 Obviously, we have to find an arrangement that keeps both the Met and
 the BBC, and you lot on the list happy.

 Eventually, it was agreed in principal that the data could be released

 to backstage under a developer key system, so the Met would know who
 was using the data and how. As the government expects them to expolit
 their assets commercially to relieve the burden on the tax payer, this

 seems reasonable; they can tell if someone starts a commercial service

 using the non-commercial data and make them stop.

 The developer key system was a slight problem, though - there have
 been real problems getting the system set up on the BBC
 infrastructure. I'm not sure what the problems have been, I'm sorry,
 but I do know that the BBC boxen are somewhat eccentric and difficult
 to work with, and probably wanted the code in BBC 32K BASIC on punch
cards or something.
 So that's where we are.

 The availability of the data without that key system has the potential

 to really sour the BBC's relationship with the Met Office. It may well

 make negotiating further data releases really hard, both internally
 and with other BBC partners; and might jeopardise the whole backstage
 project. It's bigger than 'just backstage', too - it's all of the
 BBC's weather service that could be affected.

 So - and I'm sorry to have to ask you this - please could you refrain
 from using the feeds below.

 Kass, the lovely head developer in weather, is trying to get a
 free-to-air 2 day with observations RSS feed up and running, but she's

 trying to do that on top of her regular stiff workload (in the same
 way that I keep an eye on the list above my regular job, just out of
 love for the project). Once the new backstage producer starts, then
 hopefully they'll pick up the work on the developer key. I'll keep
 prodding people around the organisation to keep things moving; as you
 know, we're restructuring inside the BBC at the moment, so things are
 rather up in the air. In the meantime, I really appreciate your
 patience and forebearance in the face of lovely JSON feeds...

 I know this makes us look like a bunch of numpties, and I'm personally

 really sorry.

 Sorry if this sounds a bit formal, I just had to rewrite it after my
 work webmail ate the previous draft!

 Kim

 [1] Heather coloured tweed

RE: [backstage] Weather Feeds: these are NOT covered under the backstage terms, please do NOT use them.

2006-07-28 Thread Gordon Joly

At 17:41 +0100 28/7/06, Ian Forrester wrote:
Can I also point out that Weather.com and Yahoo both provide RSS 
feeds and a API for those dying to know what the weather will be ;)


http://developer.yahoo.com/weather/index.html

Like Ben said, please be patient. There are lots of data which we 
would love to offer but they need to be rights cleared and that 
simply takes a long time :(


Ian Forrester | BBC World Service [New Media Software Engineer]





I remember discussing data feeds with BBC Weather, somewhen between 
1995 and 1998, when I was at the BBC...


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[backstage] Weather Feeds: these are NOT covered under the backstage terms, please do NOT use them.

2006-07-27 Thread Kim Plowright
Title: Weather Feeds: these are  NOT covered under the backstage terms, please do NOT use them.






Hello Everyone,

Jem is not around today, so I've been asked to put my official BBC hat on [1] and let you all know the situation with the weather feeds referenced below.

Here's the short version

The weather feeds detailed below are *NOT COVERED* by the BBC backstage terms.
Please, *DO NOT* use those feeds.
I'm *REALLY SORRY*, I know you're all frustrated by the saga of getting the weather feeds to you.

So, here's a slightly longer version.

As you all know, the data in the weather feeds isn't actually owned by the BBC - the BBC has an agreement with the Met Office to use the data. The good people in BBC Weather have been negotiating with the Met to get this data publically available, but that's been a lengthy process. Obviously, we have to find an arrangement that keeps both the Met and the BBC, and you lot on the list happy.

Eventually, it was agreed in principal that the data could be released to backstage under a developer key system, so the Met would know who was using the data and how. As the government expects them to expolit their assets commercially to relieve the burden on the tax payer, this seems reasonable; they can tell if someone starts a commercial service using the non-commercial data and make them stop.

The developer key system was a slight problem, though - there have been real problems getting the system set up on the BBC infrastructure. I'm not sure what the problems have been, I'm sorry, but I do know that the BBC boxen are somewhat eccentric and difficult to work with, and probably wanted the code in BBC 32K BASIC on punch cards or something. So that's where we are.

The availability of the data without that key system has the potential to really sour the BBC's relationship with the Met Office. It may well make negotiating further data releases really hard, both internally and with other BBC partners; and might jeopardise the whole backstage project. It's bigger than 'just backstage', too - it's all of the BBC's weather service that could be affected.

So - and I'm sorry to have to ask you this - please could you refrain from using the feeds below.

Kass, the lovely head developer in weather, is trying to get a free-to-air 2 day with observations RSS feed up and running, but she's trying to do that on top of her regular stiff workload (in the same way that I keep an eye on the list above my regular job, just out of love for the project). Once the new backstage producer starts, then hopefully they'll pick up the work on the developer key. I'll keep prodding people around the organisation to keep things moving; as you know, we're restructuring inside the BBC at the moment, so things are rather up in the air. In the meantime, I really appreciate your patience and forebearance in the face of lovely JSON feeds...

I know this makes us look like a bunch of numpties, and I'm personally really sorry.

Sorry if this sounds a bit formal, I just had to rewrite it after my work webmail ate the previous draft!

Kim

[1] Heather coloured tweed, with a trout fishing fly in the hatband, for those of you who remember.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of dotBen (aka Ben Metcalfe)
Sent: Thu 27/07/2006 17:44
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: [backstage] Finally, that bloody BBC Weather feed - here it is...

You'll all be pleased to hear that (probably unintentionally) the BBC
has launched complete RSS and JSON support for it's BBC Weather
service (data provided by the Met Office).

To get straight to the detail, the urls you need are as follows:

http://newsrss.bbc.co.uk/feeds/customisation/v1/weather/4581/json.js

http://newsrss.bbc.co.uk/rss/weather/4581.xml

(Where 4581 is the BBC Weather index for London. You can find out any
other code you need by searching for your city, clicking the desired
result, and identifying the id in the resulting url.)

The important point to note is that the JSON feed is technically
referenced to on the BBC site - if you dig within the _javascript_ etc -
but not explicitly referenced for third-party use. The RSS feed,
despite clearly being on the public server, is not currently
referenced from anywhere on the BBC (as far as I can see) and has been
derived from existing logic.

How this was discovered:

The BBC News website now sports a customisable pane that is powered by
JSON. A quick scan of the HTTP Headers shows that the London feed (for
example) is powered by JSON feed at:

http://newsrss.bbc.co.uk/feeds/customisation/v1/weather/4581/json.js
and the London news JSON feed:
http://newsrss.bbc.co.uk/feeds/customisation/v1/newsonline_uk_edition/england/london/json.js

Now I recognised that:

http://newsrss.bbc.co.uk/feeds/customisation/v1/newsonline_uk_edition/england/london/json.js
had some similarities to the original RSS url for the same feed:
http://newsrss.bbc.co.uk/rss/newsonline_uk_edition/england/london/rss.xml

So I used 

RE: [backstage] Weather Feeds: these are NOT covered under the backstage terms, please do NOT use them.

2006-07-27 Thread Kim Plowright
Yeah! That was quick work, and fab, thanks, but

Next time eh?

Sorry!


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Phil Winstanley
Sent: Thu 27/07/2006 20:47
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: RE: [backstage] Weather Feeds: these are  NOT covered under the 
backstage terms, please do NOT use them.
 
Ah - ignore my lat mail then. J

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kim Plowright
Sent: 27 July 2006 20:18
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: [backstage] Weather Feeds: these are NOT covered under the
backstage terms, please do NOT use them.

 

Hello Everyone,

Jem is not around today, so I've been asked to put my official BBC hat
on [1] and let you all know the situation with the weather feeds
referenced below.

Here's the short version

The weather feeds detailed below are *NOT COVERED* by the BBC backstage
terms.
Please, *DO NOT* use those feeds.
I'm *REALLY SORRY*, I know you're all frustrated by the saga of getting
the weather feeds to you.

So, here's a slightly longer version.

As you all know, the data in the weather feeds isn't actually owned by
the BBC - the BBC has an agreement with the Met Office to use the data.
The good people in BBC Weather have been negotiating with the Met to get
this data publically available, but that's been a lengthy process.
Obviously, we have to find an arrangement that keeps both the Met and
the BBC, and you lot on the list happy.

Eventually, it was agreed in principal that the data could be released
to backstage under a developer key system, so the Met would know who was
using the data and how. As the government expects them to expolit their
assets commercially to relieve the burden on the tax payer, this seems
reasonable; they can tell if someone starts a commercial service using
the non-commercial data and make them stop.

The developer key system was a slight problem, though - there have been
real problems getting the system set up on the BBC infrastructure. I'm
not sure what the problems have been, I'm sorry, but I do know that the
BBC boxen are somewhat eccentric and difficult to work with, and
probably wanted the code in BBC 32K BASIC on punch cards or something.
So that's where we are.

The availability of the data without that key system has the potential
to really sour the BBC's relationship with the Met Office. It may well
make negotiating further data releases really hard, both internally and
with other BBC partners; and might jeopardise the whole backstage
project. It's bigger than 'just backstage', too - it's all of the BBC's
weather service that could be affected.

So - and I'm sorry to have to ask you this - please could you refrain
from using the feeds below.

Kass, the lovely head developer in weather, is trying to get a
free-to-air 2 day with observations RSS feed up and running, but she's
trying to do that on top of her regular stiff workload (in the same way
that I keep an eye on the list above my regular job, just out of love
for the project). Once the new backstage producer starts, then hopefully
they'll pick up the work on the developer key. I'll keep prodding people
around the organisation to keep things moving; as you know, we're
restructuring inside the BBC at the moment, so things are rather up in
the air. In the meantime, I really appreciate your patience and
forebearance in the face of lovely JSON feeds...

I know this makes us look like a bunch of numpties, and I'm personally
really sorry.

Sorry if this sounds a bit formal, I just had to rewrite it after my
work webmail ate the previous draft!

Kim

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RE: [backstage] Weather feeds

2006-02-06 Thread Ben Metcalfe
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 Subject: [backstage] Weather feeds
 
 Hi,
 
 Is there any word on when the weather feeds are being released?
 
 I went to OpenTech '05, and I seem to recall it was happening 
 next week!
 

Yes, I have to hold my hands up and say that this has been a bit of an
embarrassment on my part.  What's currently holding us back from
releasing them is that the developer key system that we've had built
doesn't work on the serving environment we're running backstage on.

Because of the sensitivity around the commercial value of the weather
feeds, it's a feed we can only make available via a developer key.


I really am sorry that there has been such delay in getting this out -
it's a been real albatross around my neck too.


I'm not going to make a promise to get this out by date X because for
various reasons I just won't be able to guarantee the date.  There's no
point in me promising a deadline to you that I can't be sure will be
met.


I WILL promise to keep you all informed of progress - and in the
meantime I appreciate your continued patience on this one...


Cheers
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[backstage] Weather feeds

2006-02-05 Thread Oliver Cole
Hi,

Is there any word on when the weather feeds are being released?

I went to OpenTech '05, and I seem to recall it was happening next
week!

Thanks,
Oli

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RE: [backstage] Weather feeds

2005-11-16 Thread Martin Belam
Fair play, the delay is annoying, as is building up a false expectation - but 
I'll wager my tuppence that Ben and Jem are more fed up with the wrangling 
causing the delay than anyone outside the BBC :-(

m


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Sent: Tue 15/11/2005 11:25 PM
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] Weather feeds
 

 Is there any word on when the weather feeds are being released?
 I went to OpenTech 05, and I seem to recall it was happening next 
 week!

 Oh, it's a long story - but I'm sorry it's been delayed and I'm hoping
 we can get this out in the next 14 days or so.
 
 Sorry for sending a chase but I'm very interested in this feed and it's 
 almost a month later! :-\  Any news??

And now almost another month!   Please can I submit this as feedback on 
the Backstage service.  I would rather you say that something is a year 
away than say it is 14 days or so away when it isn't :-\

Regards, Dan
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RE: [backstage] Weather feeds

2005-11-16 Thread Ben Metcalfe
 
 Fair play, the delay is annoying, as is building up a false 
 expectation - but I'll wager my tuppence that Ben and Jem are 
 more fed up with the wrangling causing the delay than anyone 
 outside the BBC :-(
 

Er, yes!

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Re: [backstage] Weather feeds

2005-11-15 Thread Dogsbody



Is there any word on when the weather feeds are being released?
I went to OpenTech 05, and I seem to recall it was happening next 
week!


Oh, it's a long story - but I'm sorry it's been delayed and I'm hoping
we can get this out in the next 14 days or so.


Sorry for sending a chase but I'm very interested in this feed and it's 
almost a month later! :-\  Any news??


And now almost another month!   Please can I submit this as feedback on 
the Backstage service.  I would rather you say that something is a year 
away than say it is 14 days or so away when it isn't :-\


Regards, Dan
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Re: [backstage] Weather feeds

2005-10-24 Thread Gordon Joly

At 20:40 +0100 20/10/05, Jonathan Chetwynd wrote:
In fact I have it on excellent authority that the Met office use SVG 
in their back office, but that their clients require other 
formats Thy rely on paying customers and that is apparently why 
they don't yet provide an SVG front-end.


regards

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Accessibility Consultant on Learning Disabilities and the Internet

29 Crimsworth Road
SW8 4RJ

020 7978 1764




I have now stopped using BBC Weather forecasts (on the web), mainly 
as a response to the latest changes (TV and web) compounded on 
previous changes. I complained when the 5 days forecast was just that 
- a window with the forecast, and a close window button with no 
other navigation (this was several years ago). Too simple, and 
unbranded, I assume for the current design team...


I now use the (free) Metcheck.com service, which is so much more 
sensible. The graphics, layout display, colours etc are much more 
intuitive that the Beeb's.


http://www.metcheck.com/

I also like the realfeel alongside temperatures.


Gordo


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RE: [backstage] Weather feeds

2005-10-24 Thread Kim Plowright
Title: Message



I'm 
not sure - I know there's been a lot of discussion going on behind the scenes, 
and these are the kind of HPI's I was thinking of below.

Ben 
will be able to fill us in on his return; he'll have 
theofficialline.

K

  
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  Behalf Of Richard PriceIs there not going to be an issue with redistributing Met office 
  data? I recently looked into getting xml weather data feeds directly 
  from the Met Office and it is by no means 
  cheap!RichardJames wrote: 
  Is it still 
the case that you get the text feeds via the Met. Office and your muching 
these to produce the XML? The Met. Office are so behind the times 
:( So much information and no innovative use of technology on thier 
website. Kim Plowright wrote: 
According to my mole in weather, the feeds are 
  ready, but awaiting Ben's return to be launched. This is assuming 
  there aren't any HPIs (horrible policy issues) that neither of us know 
  about... This is, of course, the unofficial answer! K 
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  Subject: Re: [backstage] Weather feeds  
  
Is there any word on when the weather feeds 
  are being released? I went  
   
  
to OpenTech 05, and I seem to recall it was 
  happening "next week"!  Oh, 
it's a long story - but I'm sorry it's been delayed and I'm hoping 
  
  we can get this out in the next 14 days or so. 
 Sorry for sending a chase but I'm 
  very interested in this feed and it's almost a month later! :-\ 
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Re: [backstage] Weather feeds

2005-10-24 Thread James
They might as well distribute the feeds themselves.  Better to be the 
first than play catch up!




Kim Plowright wrote:

I'm not sure - I know there's been a lot of discussion going on behind 
the scenes, and these are the kind of HPI's I was thinking of below.
 
Ben will be able to fill us in on his return; he'll have 
the official line.
 
K


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Is there not going to be an issue with redistributing Met office
data?  I recently looked into getting xml weather data feeds
directly from the Met Office and it is by no means cheap!

Richard




James wrote:


Is it still the case that you get the text feeds via the Met.
Office and your muching these to produce the XML?

The Met. Office are so behind the times :(  So much information
and no innovative use of technology on thier website.



Kim Plowright wrote:


According to my mole in weather, the feeds are ready, but
awaiting Ben's
return to be launched. This is assuming there aren't any HPIs
(horrible
policy issues) that neither of us know about...

This is, of course, the unofficial answer!

K

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Is there any word on when the weather feeds are being
released? I went





 


to OpenTech 05, and I seem to recall it was happening next
week!



Oh, it's a long story - but I'm sorry it's been delayed and I'm
hoping
  



 


we can get this out in the next 14 days or so.
  



Sorry for sending a chase but I'm very interested in this feed
and it's
almost a month later! :-\  Any news??

Thank you

Dan
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Re: [backstage] Weather feeds

2005-10-21 Thread James
They are top folk, I used to work there, but my point still stands with 
regards to thier website.


Tom Loosemore wrote:

yeah, the Met Office are Thoroughly Top Folk against whom I'll not 
hear a bad word...


:o)

- damn, sorry, am I still allowed smileys?

In fact I have it on excellent authority that the Met office use SVG 
in their back office, but that their clients require other 
formats Thy rely on paying customers and that is apparently why 
they don't yet provide an SVG front-end.


regards

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Re: [backstage] Weather feeds

2005-10-21 Thread Richard Price




Is there not going to be an issue
with
redistributing Met office data? I recently looked into getting xml
weather data feeds directly from the Met Office and it is by no means
cheap!

Richard




James wrote:
Is
it still the case that you get the text feeds via the Met. Office and
your muching these to produce the XML?
  
  
The Met. Office are so behind the times :( So much information and no
innovative use of technology on thier website.
  
  
  
  
Kim Plowright wrote:
  
  
  According to my mole in weather, the feeds
are ready, but awaiting Ben's

return to be launched. This is assuming there aren't any HPIs (horrible

policy issues) that neither of us know about...


This is, of course, the unofficial answer!


K


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  Is there any word on when the weather
feeds are being released? I went

 
  






  to OpenTech 05, and I seem to recall it
was happening "next week"!

 
  
Oh, it's a long story - but I'm sorry it's been delayed and I'm hoping
  
 





we can get this out in the next 14 days or
so.
  
 


Sorry for sending a chase but I'm very interested in this feed and it's

almost a month later! :-\ Any news??


Thank you


Dan

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RE: [backstage] Weather feeds

2005-10-20 Thread Kim Plowright
According to my mole in weather, the feeds are ready, but awaiting Ben's
return to be launched. This is assuming there aren't any HPIs (horrible
policy issues) that neither of us know about...

This is, of course, the unofficial answer!

K

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Is there any word on when the weather feeds are being released? I went

to OpenTech 05, and I seem to recall it was happening next week!

 Oh, it's a long story - but I'm sorry it's been delayed and I'm hoping

 we can get this out in the next 14 days or so.

Sorry for sending a chase but I'm very interested in this feed and it's
almost a 
month later! :-\  Any news??

Thank you

Dan
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Re: [backstage] Weather feeds

2005-10-20 Thread Dogsbody



According to my mole in weather, the feeds are ready, but awaiting Ben's
return to be launched. This is assuming there aren't any HPIs (horrible
policy issues) that neither of us know about...

This is, of course, the unofficial answer!


*Does his happy dance* ... sorry about that!  :-)

Do you know what will be included in the feeds?  Forecast data?  Current 
conditions? etc.


Dan
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Re: [backstage] Weather feeds

2005-10-20 Thread Jonathan Chetwynd
In fact I have it on excellent authority that the Met office use SVG  
in their back office, but that their clients require other  
formats Thy rely on paying customers and that is apparently why  
they don't yet provide an SVG front-end.


regards

Jonathan Chetwynd
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[backstage] Weather feeds

2005-09-26 Thread Oliver Cole
Hi,

Is there any word on when the weather feeds are being released?

I went to OpenTech 05, and I seem to recall it was happening next
week!

Thanks,
Oli

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