Re: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure"
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Jeremy Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > the transcript and audio have just been uploaded. > http://www.bbc.co.uk/thefuture/transcript_fry.shtml > > video goes out on bbc parliament and then iplayer after that on sat 9pm. Annoyingly (an perhaps ironically), even though the video seems to be permanently available online here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/bbc_parliament/7396964.stm and here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/thefuture/video_fry.shtml, the video isn't available (or even a link to it) at http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00bwfzh or on iPlayer (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/page/item/b00bwfzh.shtml) at all... Frankie - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure"
2008/5/18 Richard Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > The problem isn't money, it is the legal contracts associated with trying to > protect > created works for use worldwide through the internet, and the derivatives. The ones that exist will time out; the ones that haven't been signed yet can be changed. Some authors have realised that "protecting" - I would say the more accurate phrase is "restricting" - their works from anyone else's non-commercial distribution and modification, worldwide, is doomed - and actually harms them by pushing their audience away. The number of these authors appears to be increasing, not levelling off. Creative Commons has already done decent generic legal work an author needs for this, and the BBC has repeatedly done its own legal work to this effect. The BBC ought to ignore the authors who won't accept this is the 21st century, and concentrate on the authors who will enter these audience-friendly legal contracts. > Personally I would like to see a brand new approach, one that truly protects > the rights > of the creator against the interests of "big business", as well as this new > market. I believe "non commercial" CC terms restrict big business enough. But proposing that authors need "protection" from "this new market," which is also known as, er, their _audience,_ is absurd; the buyer ultimately decides the terms of sale, the seller can only influence them. > The BBC should be perfectly placed to promote a new ideal, a new > contract between creators and the world of the internet not simply > for the UK, or for no financial reward. They themselves fund creations, > and therefore have exactly the same potential problems. I think there are two models here, and the BBC makes use of both. The 'investment-capital' model raises money from investors, spends it on it authoring something, and then tries to sell copies of the thing to end up with more money than was invested. The 'original BBC' model is to collect tax money, spend it on authoring something, and then make copies of the thing available to those who paid the taxes. The current BBC is mostly just a buyer to investment-capital modelled companies, but still does some "original BBC" authoring. The investment model is broken when it depends on monetising non-commercial uses, and the original BBC model is broken when it expects to only make things available to those who paid the taxes. Neither of these things is a disaster. The Internet also allows new forms of business, which I've been discussing elsewhere recently, and perhaps BBC could do something like http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnuherds-app-dev/2008-03/msg00019.html > I have yet to find anyone in the UK who is able to see the internet of > 2012 as more open than 1993. I think it will be; the semantic web and handheld computers running free software will make the net more open. States that are more dictatoral will clamp the net down more, and free states will not. > Business in the artistic world seems to want to close it all down in > to country states. This is as likely to succeed as DRM :-) > But briefly, if I pay UK tax, a UK license fee, have a UK home, a > UK passport with Europe on it.. why do I still lose the use of iPlayer > just because I am overseas? Others have solved this problem It is indeed bogus that the BBC hasn't announced this as an upcoming feature of iPlayer :-) > I'll happily contribute more if anyone wishes. :-) -- Regards, Dave Personal opinion only. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure"
Thanks Dave, If I slacked anymore, I'd be totally horizontal. :-) The problem isn't money, it is the legal contracts associated with trying to protect created works for use worldwide through the internet, and the derivatives. Personally I would like to see a brand new approach, one that truly protects the rights of the creator against the interests of "big business", as well as this new market. It should be so "simple", especially when the words culture, BBC, and Rights are used within the Backstage list, repeatedly. I'm saddened that the technical and innovational advantage that the BBC had in decades gone by, is now perhaps being lost, under the guise of political and social correctness. when equally we are all becoming more and more aware that the BBC is no longer a single entity, but more a collection of private interest's contracted to work together. :-) This is slowly being extended. Yes, there are parts of the content of the BBC that do belong to the culture and fabric of British society.. but if the archive represents the real model of what is happening now, then we are all going to lose out. I hope that some there are actually debating the future, and whether the return to important culture is something that is worth not only protecting, but protecting for society to represent this time as a stamp for the world. Legally. :-) The BBC should be perfectly placed to promote a new ideal, a new contract between creators and the world of the internet not simply for the UK, or for no financial reward. They themselves fund creations, and therefore have exactly the same potential problems. as well as an incredible opportunity ahead. The connected parts of this debate are amazingly complex, but I have yet to find anyone in the UK who is able to see the internet of 2012 as more open than 1993. Business in the artistic world seems to want to close it all down in to country states. Those borders should not be so problematic by now. Art doesn't respect them. The Bealtles, and British music in general, would have been pretty sad if the guys hadn't "borrowed" from the US Blues and African rhythms.the BBC/UKCentric model of the world wide web does not allow for this innovation to happen freely. I remember time shifting the news on the BBC site back in 1997.. over 10 years ago, and how far have we come? In 12 years I know that there is much that is different in the coding, but very little that has been truly innovative enough to change the BBC's contribution to society as a whole. That is not to bash anyone... radio hasn't changed in essence, nor has TV, but for tinkering to some features and obvious technical advances. I love the net, and I have surfed it since 1989.. it has changed, and is changing as I write. Everyone now has a library of information.. their own as well as the worlds. The structure of business within the net doesn't have to be the same as the real world. can you imagine the Rolling Stones saying that they were only going to play in the UK? Absurd. Same with Hollywood and Cinema. This is only a brief introduction.. I'll happily contribute more if anyone wishes. But briefly, if I pay UK tax, a UK license fee, have a UK home, a UK passport with Europe on it.. why do I still lose the use of iPlayer just because I am overseas? Others have solved this problem without cutting off their "customers" or audience, but I understand it cannot be done if one follows the rules of the real world but meanwhile those who do it illegally tend to get most of what they wish for. Should we all have another slice of cultural anarchy? Google in bondage. :-) Regards Rich On Saturday, May 17, 2008, at 07:22PM, "Dave Crossland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >2008/5/8 Richard P Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >> I am still not certain about Dave Crossland's model either > >As kind as it is to be attributed with the http://freedomdefined.org >model of culture that I advocate, may I suggest you call it the >"culture freedom" model or similar :-) > >> as a result it is very frustrating to try to professionally consider why I >> should >> work so hard when the rules of distribution are clearly so uncertain at >> present > >May I suggest you work hard because you love what you do, and if its >just about the money, slack off a bit :-) > >-- >Regards, >Dave >Personal opinion only :-) >- >Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please >visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. >Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > > - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure"
2008/5/8 Richard P Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I am still not certain about Dave Crossland's model either As kind as it is to be attributed with the http://freedomdefined.org model of culture that I advocate, may I suggest you call it the "culture freedom" model or similar :-) > as a result it is very frustrating to try to professionally consider why I > should > work so hard when the rules of distribution are clearly so uncertain at > present May I suggest you work hard because you love what you do, and if its just about the money, slack off a bit :-) -- Regards, Dave Personal opinion only :-) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure"
Jeremy Stone wrote: don't shoot the messenger! I initially thought of signing off as Phil 'never satisfied' Wilson, but couldn't bear the thought of causing so much nationwide tittering. Oh, wait... - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure"
don't shoot the messenger! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Phil Wilson Sent: Thu 5/8/2008 3:56 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure" Jeremy Stone wrote: > the transcript and audio have just been uploaded. > http://www.bbc.co.uk/thefuture/transcript_fry.shtml wot, no mp3? ;) Phil - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure"
Jeremy Stone wrote: the transcript and audio have just been uploaded. http://www.bbc.co.uk/thefuture/transcript_fry.shtml wot, no mp3? ;) Phil - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure"
http://www.contentinople.com/author.asp?section_id=450&doc_id=152567 So Verisign is spinning off Kontiki? - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure"
2008/5/8 Richard P Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I agree with Mr Fry's position and furthermore, I think that it is > important, as is my own case, to understand that there are many > rights-holders who fear all of this. and the result is that they cannot > see a high quality/secure way to release their work for financial reward. > Therefore the speed of cultural development has suffered since the mid 90's, > across both TV and Radio. and a lot of supporting industries. > If the BBC were to connect the two it would be wonderful, even a new > secure codec would help. > I am still not certain about Dave Crossland's model either.. and as a > result it is very frustrating to try to professionally consider why I should > work so hard when the rules of distribution are clearly so uncertain at > present. > RichE > > What if you didn't have to fear copying - but instead embraced it? What if you could, in effect, outsource the heavy lifting of the distribution to those who wished to do it for you? What if you could build a direct connection to, and a business model from, people's desire to watch/listen/read your stuff? The trick then is to develop a relationship with those who obviously love your work. I could ramble on - but I have already: http://digitalrightsmanifesto.wordpress.com/2008/04/05/marginal-cost-of-zero-or-substitute-goods-redux/ I have a dog in this fight. I think you can compete with free without having to technologically cripple the person who wants to give you their money. I've started up a business which recognises free as your starting point and everything after that is about building relationships with those who wish to give you their money! I won't do an advertising pitch (not really what this list is for) - other than to say drop me a line if you would like to know more. -- Michael Walsh Mobile: +44-(0)771-2524200 Mobile: +353-(0)85-1278212 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.digitalrightsmanifesto.com Blog: http://digitalrightsmanifesto.wordpress.com
Re: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure"
I think the point is that no technical copy inhibiting scheme will ever "work"; the best ones will only discourage casual users but time and time again we see that such solutions merely penalize most users. Unscrupulous vendors or integrators will assert that "protection" is available to worried rights holders, some of whom even believe that streaming inhibits copying. Although it's possible to have DRM at codec level, it's probably not the best choice for performance and flexibility and complexity reasons (not to mention uselessness as each version is cracked). What is necessary is a different structure for rewarding rights holders, ideally proportionately if remuneration is to match the existing system closely enough. The BBC is perhaps uniquely positioned to bring about such change. In this connection it's useful to remember that copyright, patent, trademark, trade secret laws, international conventions for these, are constructs which changed the previous systems. [I don't use the terms "intellectual property" - ridiculously vague - or "piracy" - activity off Somalia, not myself when I want to make a backup copy of an out-of-print Disney DVD before my three-year-old scratches it up.] Of course, such a massive change will be quite difficult to implement. It may involve the disappearance of traditional middlemen. But maintaining the current situation I believe is just heading towards something worse where DRM becomes so easily crackable, or so unpalatable to most users and therefore dropped by distributors, that rights holders merely abdicate any control over their works at all. Claiming that any DRM works is really doing rights holders a great disservice I'm afraid. Sean. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure"
the transcript and audio have just been uploaded. http://www.bbc.co.uk/thefuture/transcript_fry.shtml video goes out on bbc parliament and then iplayer after that on sat 9pm. fry's point about downloading iPlayer files is actually a sideshow to (another) lengthy spirited defence of the licence fee and the public good. some nice jokes, intellectual flights of fancy and laboured metaphors too of course. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Richard P Edwards Sent: Thu 5/8/2008 1:45 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure" I agree with Mr Fry's position and furthermore, I think that it is important, as is my own case, to understand that there are many rights-holders who fear all of this. and the result is that they cannot see a high quality/secure way to release their work for financial reward. Therefore the speed of cultural development has suffered since the mid 90's, across both TV and Radio. and a lot of supporting industries. If the BBC were to connect the two it would be wonderful, even a new secure codec would help. I am still not certain about Dave Crossland's model either.. and as a result it is very frustrating to try to professionally consider why I should work so hard when the rules of distribution are clearly so uncertain at present. RichE On 8 May 2008, at 10:42, Tom Loosemore wrote: > unhelpfully, the BBC's not yet put up the transcript of the speech, so > it's hard to judge given the vagries of reporting... > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/thefuture/ > > 2008/5/8 Andrew Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >> >> Can I just pedal backwards very quickly as I realise that in >> reading the >> article, Mr. Fry actually said no such thing... he just pointed >> out that the >> lock wasn't particularly secure. Which is not news to anyone... >> >> *pedals backwards rapidly* >> >> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Wong >> Sent: 08 May 2008 10:20 >> >> To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk >> Subject: RE: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous >> idea the >> iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure" >> >> >> >> >> It's rather interesting that one of the very few TV personalities >> who really >> *gets* the digital revolution (tm) and all that is essentially >> arguing that >> the digital arms race needs to be beefed up, instead of starting >> negotations. >> >> My personal opinion, not those of my employers etc. >> >> Andrew >> >> >> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian >> Butterworth >> Sent: 08 May 2008 08:31 >> To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk >> Subject: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea >> the iPlayer >> is secure. It's anything but secure" >> >> >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/may/08/bbc.television2 >> >> >> >> He also sounded a warning for BBC executives, accusing them of >> "incredible >> naivety" in believing they could control the distribution of >> programmes >> online. >> >> Programmes distributed via the BBC's increasingly popular online >> iPlayer >> service are supposed to be viewable for a week only, and can be >> stored on a >> PC for up to 30 days. But Fry said that large numbers of viewers were >> bypassing the corporation's digital rights management software, >> and more >> would follow. >> >> "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's >> anything but >> secure," said Fry, host of the TV quiz show QI. His recent >> documentary on >> the Gutenberg printing press was one of the most popular >> programmes on the >> iPlayer catch-up service. "The BBC is throwing out really valuable >> content >> for free. It shows an incredible naivety about how the internet >> and digital >> devices work." >> >> Fry admitted to bypassing the copy protection to transfer >> programmes to his >> Apple iPhone, and said the corporation's iPlayer was hurting its >> commercial >> rivals. >> Brian Butterworth >> > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, > please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ > mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- > archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure"
I agree with Mr Fry's position and furthermore, I think that it is important, as is my own case, to understand that there are many rights-holders who fear all of this. and the result is that they cannot see a high quality/secure way to release their work for financial reward. Therefore the speed of cultural development has suffered since the mid 90's, across both TV and Radio. and a lot of supporting industries. If the BBC were to connect the two it would be wonderful, even a new secure codec would help. I am still not certain about Dave Crossland's model either.. and as a result it is very frustrating to try to professionally consider why I should work so hard when the rules of distribution are clearly so uncertain at present. RichE On 8 May 2008, at 10:42, Tom Loosemore wrote: unhelpfully, the BBC's not yet put up the transcript of the speech, so it's hard to judge given the vagries of reporting... http://www.bbc.co.uk/thefuture/ 2008/5/8 Andrew Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Can I just pedal backwards very quickly as I realise that in reading the article, Mr. Fry actually said no such thing... he just pointed out that the lock wasn't particularly secure. Which is not news to anyone... *pedals backwards rapidly* From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Wong Sent: 08 May 2008 10:20 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure" It's rather interesting that one of the very few TV personalities who really *gets* the digital revolution (tm) and all that is essentially arguing that the digital arms race needs to be beefed up, instead of starting negotations. My personal opinion, not those of my employers etc. Andrew From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 08 May 2008 08:31 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure" http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/may/08/bbc.television2 He also sounded a warning for BBC executives, accusing them of "incredible naivety" in believing they could control the distribution of programmes online. Programmes distributed via the BBC's increasingly popular online iPlayer service are supposed to be viewable for a week only, and can be stored on a PC for up to 30 days. But Fry said that large numbers of viewers were bypassing the corporation's digital rights management software, and more would follow. "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure," said Fry, host of the TV quiz show QI. His recent documentary on the Gutenberg printing press was one of the most popular programmes on the iPlayer catch-up service. "The BBC is throwing out really valuable content for free. It shows an incredible naivety about how the internet and digital devices work." Fry admitted to bypassing the copy protection to transfer programmes to his Apple iPhone, and said the corporation's iPlayer was hurting its commercial rivals. Brian Butterworth - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure"
Didn't think of it like that, good points On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Tom Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Good example of how the world looks *very* different if you're a > rights holder currently making money from your secondary rights... > even a rights holder as clued up as Fry > - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure"
unhelpfully, the BBC's not yet put up the transcript of the speech, so it's hard to judge given the vagries of reporting... http://www.bbc.co.uk/thefuture/ 2008/5/8 Andrew Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Can I just pedal backwards very quickly as I realise that in reading the > article, Mr. Fry actually said no such thing... he just pointed out that the > lock wasn't particularly secure. Which is not news to anyone... > > *pedals backwards rapidly* > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Wong > Sent: 08 May 2008 10:20 > > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Subject: RE: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the > iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure" > > > > > It's rather interesting that one of the very few TV personalities who really > *gets* the digital revolution (tm) and all that is essentially arguing that > the digital arms race needs to be beefed up, instead of starting > negotations. > > My personal opinion, not those of my employers etc. > > Andrew > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth > Sent: 08 May 2008 08:31 > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Subject: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer > is secure. It's anything but secure" > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/may/08/bbc.television2 > > > > He also sounded a warning for BBC executives, accusing them of "incredible > naivety" in believing they could control the distribution of programmes > online. > > Programmes distributed via the BBC's increasingly popular online iPlayer > service are supposed to be viewable for a week only, and can be stored on a > PC for up to 30 days. But Fry said that large numbers of viewers were > bypassing the corporation's digital rights management software, and more > would follow. > > "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but > secure," said Fry, host of the TV quiz show QI. His recent documentary on > the Gutenberg printing press was one of the most popular programmes on the > iPlayer catch-up service. "The BBC is throwing out really valuable content > for free. It shows an incredible naivety about how the internet and digital > devices work." > > Fry admitted to bypassing the copy protection to transfer programmes to his > Apple iPhone, and said the corporation's iPlayer was hurting its commercial > rivals. > Brian Butterworth > - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure"
Good example of how the world looks *very* different if you're a rights holder currently making money from your secondary rights... even a rights holder as clued up as Fry 2008/5/8 Andrew Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > It's rather interesting that one of the very few TV personalities who really > *gets* the digital revolution (tm) and all that is essentially arguing that > the digital arms race needs to be beefed up, instead of starting > negotations. > > My personal opinion, not those of my employers etc. > > Andrew > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth > Sent: 08 May 2008 08:31 > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Subject: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer > is secure. It's anything but secure" > > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/may/08/bbc.television2 > > > > He also sounded a warning for BBC executives, accusing them of "incredible > naivety" in believing they could control the distribution of programmes > online. > > Programmes distributed via the BBC's increasingly popular online iPlayer > service are supposed to be viewable for a week only, and can be stored on a > PC for up to 30 days. But Fry said that large numbers of viewers were > bypassing the corporation's digital rights management software, and more > would follow. > > "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but > secure," said Fry, host of the TV quiz show QI. His recent documentary on > the Gutenberg printing press was one of the most popular programmes on the > iPlayer catch-up service. "The BBC is throwing out really valuable content > for free. It shows an incredible naivety about how the internet and digital > devices work." > > Fry admitted to bypassing the copy protection to transfer programmes to his > Apple iPhone, and said the corporation's iPlayer was hurting its commercial > rivals. > Brian Butterworth > - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure"
Can I just pedal backwards very quickly as I realise that in reading the article, Mr. Fry actually said no such thing... he just pointed out that the lock wasn't particularly secure. Which is not news to anyone... *pedals backwards rapidly* From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Wong Sent: 08 May 2008 10:20 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure" It's rather interesting that one of the very few TV personalities who really *gets* the digital revolution (tm) and all that is essentially arguing that the digital arms race needs to be beefed up, instead of starting negotations. My personal opinion, not those of my employers etc. Andrew From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 08 May 2008 08:31 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure" http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/may/08/bbc.television2 He also sounded a warning for BBC executives, accusing them of "incredible naivety" in believing they could control the distribution of programmes online. Programmes distributed via the BBC's increasingly popular online iPlayer service are supposed to be viewable for a week only, and can be stored on a PC for up to 30 days. But Fry said that large numbers of viewers were bypassing the corporation's digital rights management software, and more would follow. "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure," said Fry, host of the TV quiz show QI. His recent documentary on the Gutenberg printing press was one of the most popular programmes on the iPlayer catch-up service. "The BBC is throwing out really valuable content for free. It shows an incredible naivety about how the internet and digital devices work." Fry admitted to bypassing the copy protection to transfer programmes to his Apple iPhone, and said the corporation's iPlayer was hurting its commercial rivals. Brian Butterworth
RE: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure"
It's rather interesting that one of the very few TV personalities who really *gets* the digital revolution (tm) and all that is essentially arguing that the digital arms race needs to be beefed up, instead of starting negotations. My personal opinion, not those of my employers etc. Andrew From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 08 May 2008 08:31 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Stephen Fry: "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure" http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/may/08/bbc.television2 He also sounded a warning for BBC executives, accusing them of "incredible naivety" in believing they could control the distribution of programmes online. Programmes distributed via the BBC's increasingly popular online iPlayer service are supposed to be viewable for a week only, and can be stored on a PC for up to 30 days. But Fry said that large numbers of viewers were bypassing the corporation's digital rights management software, and more would follow. "There is this marvellous idea the iPlayer is secure. It's anything but secure," said Fry, host of the TV quiz show QI. His recent documentary on the Gutenberg printing press was one of the most popular programmes on the iPlayer catch-up service. "The BBC is throwing out really valuable content for free. It shows an incredible naivety about how the internet and digital devices work." Fry admitted to bypassing the copy protection to transfer programmes to his Apple iPhone, and said the corporation's iPlayer was hurting its commercial rivals. Brian Butterworth
