Re: [BackupPC-users] Process for Overriding hosts configuration

2012-07-13 Thread backuppc
Michael Stowe wrote at about 10:13:35 -0500 on Wednesday, July 11, 2012:
  Naturally, I do lose ACLs and whatnot, but aside from a few tweaks, the
  process at least works.  I've been considering adding a supplemental ACL
  backup to the routine.

In my vshadow script -- shadowmountrsync -- for automatically using
vshadow to backup Windows shares and start rsyncd seamlessly -- I have
code for backing up ACL's both the POSIX version via 'getfacl' and the
full Windows ACL's via 'subinacl'.

Basically, ssh is used to run 'getfacl' and 'subinacl' before the
shadow mount and stored in a designated folder/file in each
share. Then the shadow mount is run and backed up, indluding the file
listing the ACL's.

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Process for Overriding hosts configuration

2012-07-13 Thread backuppc
Kris Lou wrote at about 09:40:12 -0700 on Wednesday, July 11, 2012:
Naturally, I do lose ACLs and whatnot, but aside from a few tweaks,
the process at least works.  I've been considering adding a
supplemental ACL backup to the routine.
   
That sounds like a useful idea, but really, what are the ACL's used
for? Is that just additional end-user type of customisation where you
might specify only user X can access folder X, and folder Y is world
read but write by group Z etc... ? ie, is that just a security issue,
or does it prevent the actual OS or applications from working?
  
   In practice, the only issue I had were the hidden and system
   attributes being missing from desktop.ini files.  Aside from being ugly,
   this caused the OS to launch an editor for them on boot (which seems odd
   to me.)
  
  
  Would it help to update the client versions of rsync and cygwin?  I recall
  doing that when working on getting your solution to restore natively (via
  rsync - and just selected files, not bare metal).  It helped with fixing
  some ACL issues, so it may preserve some attributes better.

While newer versions of rsync can handle ACLs (and for Linux SELinux),
backuppc does *not* back them up at all. Moreover, at least cygwin
rsync only handles the POSTFIX portion of Windows ACLs (that generated
by getfacl/setfacl) while Windows uses a more extensive set of ACLs
that can be retrieved/set via 'subinacl'

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Process for Overriding hosts configuration

2012-07-13 Thread Bryan Keadle (.net)
Care to share your shadowmountrsync?


On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 1:48 PM, backu...@kosowsky.org wrote:

 Michael Stowe wrote at about 10:13:35 -0500 on Wednesday, July 11, 2012:
   Naturally, I do lose ACLs and whatnot, but aside from a few tweaks, the
   process at least works.  I've been considering adding a supplemental ACL
   backup to the routine.

 In my vshadow script -- shadowmountrsync -- for automatically using
 vshadow to backup Windows shares and start rsyncd seamlessly -- I have
 code for backing up ACL's both the POSIX version via 'getfacl' and the
 full Windows ACL's via 'subinacl'.

 Basically, ssh is used to run 'getfacl' and 'subinacl' before the
 shadow mount and stored in a designated folder/file in each
 share. Then the shadow mount is run and backed up, indluding the file
 listing the ACL's.


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Re: [BackupPC-users] Process for Overriding hosts configuration

2012-07-13 Thread backuppc
It's on the Wiki -  a good place to look and answer many basic
questions by the way
Bryan Keadle (.net) wrote at about 14:25:14 -0500 on Friday, July 13, 2012:
  Care to share your shadowmountrsync?
  
  
  On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 1:48 PM, backu...@kosowsky.org wrote:
  
   Michael Stowe wrote at about 10:13:35 -0500 on Wednesday, July 11, 2012:
 Naturally, I do lose ACLs and whatnot, but aside from a few tweaks, the
 process at least works.  I've been considering adding a supplemental ACL
 backup to the routine.
  
   In my vshadow script -- shadowmountrsync -- for automatically using
   vshadow to backup Windows shares and start rsyncd seamlessly -- I have
   code for backing up ACL's both the POSIX version via 'getfacl' and the
   full Windows ACL's via 'subinacl'.
  
   Basically, ssh is used to run 'getfacl' and 'subinacl' before the
   shadow mount and stored in a designated folder/file in each
   share. Then the shadow mount is run and backed up, indluding the file
   listing the ACL's.
  
  
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Re: [BackupPC-users] Process for Overriding hosts configuration

2012-07-11 Thread Michael Stowe
 On 11/07/12 00:12, Michael Stowe wrote:
 The Windows 7 Junctions (which fail) are important directories in
 Windows
 XP, and I've made an effort to exclude all the junctions from Windows
 7.
 Huh. XP doesn't have any junction points by default (although it
 supports
 them) so I guess you mean you're excluding 7 junctions like Documents
 and
 Settings instead of backing them up.

 We just back them up here, because it's simpler and hey, who wants to
 recreate 50 junction points manually? Then again, we also back up the
 registries and open files, since those are important to us. We only
 exclude cache and temp directories, as I recall, and have had the
 horrifying occasion to perform full restores.
 Could I ask what is your process for a full restore on a windows PC?
 I recently considered to do a complete restore from backuppc for a
 windows 2003 server which had been backed up using your method, but
 ended up resolving the issue without the restore. However, I wasn't very
 confident that I would get a working system from a restore.

 In the past, I've had some success with taking a snapshot using dd or
 similar, just after doing the OS install (before the first reboot) and
 then doing a full restore from backuppc (taken with shadow support), and
 this did produce a working system, but it isn't always easy to have an
 image of a machine, so would be great to be able to just use the
 backuppc to do a full restore.

 Regards,
 Adam

The short answer is that for a bare metal restore, I first install a stock
OS, then use BackupPC_tarCreate, restore everything to a directory, then
use the recovery console to rotate it into place.  After a reboot,
everything's back, including the registry.

Naturally, I do lose ACLs and whatnot, but aside from a few tweaks, the
process at least works.  I've been considering adding a supplemental ACL
backup to the routine.

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Process for Overriding hosts configuration

2012-07-11 Thread Adam Goryachev
On 12/07/12 01:13, Michael Stowe wrote:
 The short answer is that for a bare metal restore, I first install
 a stock OS, then use BackupPC_tarCreate, restore everything to a
 directory, then use the recovery console to rotate it into place.
 After a reboot, everything's back, including the registry.

Could you clarify a couple of points please?
What do you mean by a stock OS? Is that the same version of windows
that was backed up, and installed up to what point? In the past I only
went up to the first reboot from windows, or do you go past that? Do
you also do all windows updates?

Do you think the restore could be done from within a Linux machine
instead of using the recovery console to rotate it into place? I'm
assuming this step is just a move \windows \windows.old and a move
\restore \windows? Do you restore that windows directory while booted
into the stock OS?

 Naturally, I do lose ACLs and whatnot, but aside from a few tweaks,
 the process at least works.  I've been considering adding a
 supplemental ACL backup to the routine.

That sounds like a useful idea, but really, what are the ACL's used
for? Is that just additional end-user type of customisation where you
might specify only user X can access folder X, and folder Y is world
read but write by group Z etc... ? ie, is that just a security issue,
or does it prevent the actual OS or applications from working?

Thanks for your work in this area.

Regards,
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Re: [BackupPC-users] Process for Overriding hosts configuration

2012-07-11 Thread Michael Stowe
 On 12/07/12 01:13, Michael Stowe wrote:
 The short answer is that for a bare metal restore, I first install
 a stock OS, then use BackupPC_tarCreate, restore everything to a
 directory, then use the recovery console to rotate it into place.
 After a reboot, everything's back, including the registry.

 Could you clarify a couple of points please?
 What do you mean by a stock OS? Is that the same version of windows
 that was backed up, and installed up to what point? In the past I only
 went up to the first reboot from windows, or do you go past that? Do
 you also do all windows updates?

Yes, the same version of Windows that was backed up -- just to the first
reboot -- there's no point in applying updates, since they're recovered
from the restore.

 Do you think the restore could be done from within a Linux machine
 instead of using the recovery console to rotate it into place? I'm
 assuming this step is just a move \windows \windows.old and a move
 \restore \windows? Do you restore that windows directory while booted
 into the stock OS?

It's possible -- though Windows can be very quirky about booting, which is
why I installed it first.  I haven't *tried* it, but I suppose a LiveCD
which can mount NTFS read-write could do the job.

And yes, though the sets of directories (in addition to windows) that
need to be pivoted include Program Files, Documents and Settings, etc.  To
make things simple, I just did the move with every directory that the
stock OS created.

 Naturally, I do lose ACLs and whatnot, but aside from a few tweaks,
 the process at least works.  I've been considering adding a
 supplemental ACL backup to the routine.

 That sounds like a useful idea, but really, what are the ACL's used
 for? Is that just additional end-user type of customisation where you
 might specify only user X can access folder X, and folder Y is world
 read but write by group Z etc... ? ie, is that just a security issue,
 or does it prevent the actual OS or applications from working?

In practice, the only issue I had were the hidden and system
attributes being missing from desktop.ini files.  Aside from being ugly,
this caused the OS to launch an editor for them on boot (which seems odd
to me.)



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Re: [BackupPC-users] Process for Overriding hosts configuration

2012-07-11 Thread Kris Lou
  Naturally, I do lose ACLs and whatnot, but aside from a few tweaks,
  the process at least works.  I've been considering adding a
  supplemental ACL backup to the routine.
 
  That sounds like a useful idea, but really, what are the ACL's used
  for? Is that just additional end-user type of customisation where you
  might specify only user X can access folder X, and folder Y is world
  read but write by group Z etc... ? ie, is that just a security issue,
  or does it prevent the actual OS or applications from working?

 In practice, the only issue I had were the hidden and system
 attributes being missing from desktop.ini files.  Aside from being ugly,
 this caused the OS to launch an editor for them on boot (which seems odd
 to me.)


Would it help to update the client versions of rsync and cygwin?  I recall
doing that when working on getting your solution to restore natively (via
rsync - and just selected files, not bare metal).  It helped with fixing
some ACL issues, so it may preserve some attributes better.

-Kris
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Re: [BackupPC-users] Process for Overriding hosts configuration

2012-07-10 Thread Michael Stowe
 On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 09:12:54AM -0500, Michael Stowe wrote:

  The Windows 7 Junctions (which fail) are important directories in
 Windows
  XP, and I've made an effort to exclude all the junctions from Windows
 7.

 Huh.  XP doesn't have any junction points by default (although it
 supports
 them) so I guess you mean you're excluding 7 junctions like Documents
 and
 Settings instead of backing them up.

 We just back them up here, because it's simpler and hey, who wants to
 recreate 50 junction points manually?

 How are you backing the junction points up. AFAIK backuppc treats
 those as actual directories and not junction points (i.e. the concept
 of a junction point doesn't exist in backuppc's universe like a
 symbolic link does.) Pooling will make sure that the files under the
 junction point and the real location of those files are pooled

How BackupPC views them is dependent on the backup method; for rsync
backups, they look like symbolic links (which they are) and get backed up
as such.

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Process for Overriding hosts configuration

2012-07-10 Thread Timothy J Massey
Michael Stowe mst...@chicago.us.mensa.org wrote on 07/10/2012 11:14:34 
AM:

  How are you backing the junction points up. AFAIK backuppc treats
  those as actual directories and not junction points (i.e. the concept
  of a junction point doesn't exist in backuppc's universe like a
  symbolic link does.) Pooling will make sure that the files under the
  junction point and the real location of those files are pooled
 
 How BackupPC views them is dependent on the backup method; for rsync
 backups, they look like symbolic links (which they are) and get backed 
up
 as such.

I do not see this in practice on my server.  In my case, the junctions 
create infinite loops (well, until the path gets too long, anyway), and 
give me tens of *thousands* of errors.  I used the list of exclusions on 
the BackupPC wiki to get this down to a manageable number (400, instead of 
80,000 or so).

Have you added a parameter somewhere to handle this?

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Process for Overriding hosts configuration

2012-07-10 Thread Michael Stowe
 Michael Stowe mst...@chicago.us.mensa.org wrote on 07/10/2012 11:14:34
 AM:

  How are you backing the junction points up. AFAIK backuppc treats
  those as actual directories and not junction points (i.e. the concept
  of a junction point doesn't exist in backuppc's universe like a
  symbolic link does.) Pooling will make sure that the files under the
  junction point and the real location of those files are pooled

 How BackupPC views them is dependent on the backup method; for rsync
 backups, they look like symbolic links (which they are) and get backed
 up
 as such.

 I do not see this in practice on my server.  In my case, the junctions
 create infinite loops (well, until the path gets too long, anyway), and
 give me tens of *thousands* of errors.  I used the list of exclusions on
 the BackupPC wiki to get this down to a manageable number (400, instead of
 80,000 or so).

 Have you added a parameter somewhere to handle this?

Here's a sample from my BackupPC logs:
pool   l 777 4294967295/4294967295   6 Documents and Settings -
/Users

That's typical of all the links across Windows boxen, including servers.

I don't recall doing anything specific to make it work; it may be a
function of rsync version on the client.

You're welcome to the exact version (and client, and scripts) I use, here:
http://www.michaelstowe.com/backuppc/



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Re: [BackupPC-users] Process for Overriding hosts configuration

2012-07-10 Thread Adam Goryachev
On 11/07/12 00:12, Michael Stowe wrote:
 The Windows 7 Junctions (which fail) are important directories in Windows
 XP, and I've made an effort to exclude all the junctions from Windows 7.
 Huh. XP doesn't have any junction points by default (although it supports
 them) so I guess you mean you're excluding 7 junctions like Documents and
 Settings instead of backing them up.

 We just back them up here, because it's simpler and hey, who wants to
 recreate 50 junction points manually? Then again, we also back up the
 registries and open files, since those are important to us. We only
 exclude cache and temp directories, as I recall, and have had the
 horrifying occasion to perform full restores.
Could I ask what is your process for a full restore on a windows PC?
I recently considered to do a complete restore from backuppc for a
windows 2003 server which had been backed up using your method, but
ended up resolving the issue without the restore. However, I wasn't very
confident that I would get a working system from a restore.

In the past, I've had some success with taking a snapshot using dd or
similar, just after doing the OS install (before the first reboot) and
then doing a full restore from backuppc (taken with shadow support), and
this did produce a working system, but it isn't always easy to have an
image of a machine, so would be great to be able to just use the
backuppc to do a full restore.

Regards,
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[BackupPC-users] Process for Overriding hosts configuration

2012-07-09 Thread Bryan Keadle (.net)
What is the actual process/command that happens when I click on the
Override button of a hosts config file - specifically the SmbShareName?

I have a Self Provisioning solution whereby a user can authenticate to a
BackupPC web page, and their computer will automatically provision itself
for backup.  However, I have  a mix of Windows 7 and Windows XP machines.
 As part of the self provisioning process the hosts would be defaulted to
the global share name of C$ (uppercase) which contains Windows 7-specific
BackupExcludeFiles specs.  However, I can determine host OS version at the
time of the provisioning, so if the workstation is XP I'd want to override
the SmbShareName to be c$ (lowercase) which would contain Windows
XP-specific BackupExcludeFiles.
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Re: [BackupPC-users] Process for Overriding hosts configuration

2012-07-09 Thread Michael Stowe
 What is the actual process/command that happens when I click on the
 Override button of a hosts config file - specifically the SmbShareName?

I'm going to go with nothing.

The override check box indicates that it's a setting in the PC-specific
configuration rather than inherited from the main configuration.

 I have a Self Provisioning solution whereby a user can authenticate to a
 BackupPC web page, and their computer will automatically provision itself
 for backup.  However, I have  a mix of Windows 7 and Windows XP machines.
  As part of the self provisioning process the hosts would be defaulted to
 the global share name of C$ (uppercase) which contains Windows 7-specific
 BackupExcludeFiles specs.  However, I can determine host OS version at the
 time of the provisioning, so if the workstation is XP I'd want to override
 the SmbShareName to be c$ (lowercase) which would contain Windows
 XP-specific BackupExcludeFiles.

You can probably make things easier on yourself by just making one list of
both exclusions, since the only risk is that a user created something on
XP that happens to be the exact same thing you want to exclude on Windows
7, or vice versa.

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Process for Overriding hosts configuration

2012-07-09 Thread Bryan Keadle (.net)
The Windows 7 Junctions (which fail) are important directories in Windows
XP, and I've made an effort to exclude all the junctions from Windows 7.


On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Michael Stowe
mst...@chicago.us.mensa.orgwrote:

  What is the actual process/command that happens when I click on the
  Override button of a hosts config file - specifically the SmbShareName?

 I'm going to go with nothing.

 The override check box indicates that it's a setting in the PC-specific
 configuration rather than inherited from the main configuration.

  I have a Self Provisioning solution whereby a user can authenticate to
 a
  BackupPC web page, and their computer will automatically provision itself
  for backup.  However, I have  a mix of Windows 7 and Windows XP machines.
   As part of the self provisioning process the hosts would be defaulted to
  the global share name of C$ (uppercase) which contains Windows 7-specific
  BackupExcludeFiles specs.  However, I can determine host OS version at
 the
  time of the provisioning, so if the workstation is XP I'd want to
 override
  the SmbShareName to be c$ (lowercase) which would contain Windows
  XP-specific BackupExcludeFiles.

 You can probably make things easier on yourself by just making one list of
 both exclusions, since the only risk is that a user created something on
 XP that happens to be the exact same thing you want to exclude on Windows
 7, or vice versa.


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Re: [BackupPC-users] Process for Overriding hosts configuration

2012-07-09 Thread Les Mikesell
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Bryan Keadle (.net) bkea...@keadle.net wrote:
 What is the actual process/command that happens when I click on the Override
 button of a hosts config file - specifically the SmbShareName?

Basically it means that the value set will be saved in the per-pc
config instead of being inherited from the global config.

 I have a Self Provisioning solution whereby a user can authenticate to a
 BackupPC web page, and their computer will automatically provision itself
 for backup.  However, I have  a mix of Windows 7 and Windows XP machines.
 As part of the self provisioning process the hosts would be defaulted to the
 global share name of C$ (uppercase) which contains Windows 7-specific
 BackupExcludeFiles specs.  However, I can determine host OS version at the
 time of the provisioning, so if the workstation is XP I'd want to override
 the SmbShareName to be c$ (lowercase) which would contain Windows
 XP-specific BackupExcludeFiles.

Excluding things that don't exist won't hurt anything.  And some small
number of errors in the log files isn't really fatal either.

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Re: [BackupPC-users] Process for Overriding hosts configuration

2012-07-09 Thread Les Mikesell
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Bryan Keadle (.net) bkea...@keadle.net wrote:
 The Windows 7 Junctions (which fail) are important directories in Windows
 XP, and I've made an effort to exclude all the junctions from Windows 7.

Not sure what you meant by provisioning, but maybe you can use an
existing config as a template.   For example if you are adding hosts
in the web interface you can specify NEW=OLD in the host field and it
will add the NEW host with a copy of all of the host-specific settings
from the existing OLD host.

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