Re: [BackupPC-users] An idea to fix both SIGPIPE and memory issues with rsync

2009-12-16 Thread Robin Lee Powell
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 03:13:23PM -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: > Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > > They're just not *doing* anything. Nothing has errored out; BackupPC > > thinks everything is fine. > > > > Some of the places this is happening are very small backups that > > usually take a matter o

Re: [BackupPC-users] An idea to fix both SIGPIPE and memory issues with rsync

2009-12-16 Thread Les Mikesell
Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > They're just not *doing* anything. Nothing has errored out; BackupPC > thinks everything is fine. > > Some of the places this is happening are very small backups that > usually take a matter of minutes. > > Suddenly this isn't looking like a networking problem anymor

Re: [BackupPC-users] An idea to fix both SIGPIPE and memory issues with rsync

2009-12-16 Thread Robin Lee Powell
On last thing: Stop/Dequeue Backup did the right thing: all parts of the backup, on both server and client, were torn down correctly. So, clearly, there was nothing wrong with the communication between parts as such. -Robin -- They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons.

Re: [BackupPC-users] An idea to fix both SIGPIPE and memory issues with rsync

2009-12-16 Thread Robin Lee Powell
Sorry, a couple of things I forgot. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:15:37AM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > Anyways, the one that has the problem consistently *also* always has > it in exactly the same place; I was watching it in basically every > way possible, so here comes the debugging stuff. As w

Re: [BackupPC-users] An idea to fix both SIGPIPE and memory issues with rsync

2009-12-16 Thread Robin Lee Powell
I want to start by saying that I appreciate all the help and suggestions y'all have given on something that's obviously not your problem. :) Unfortunately, it looks like this problem is (1) far more interesting than I thought and (2) might be in BackupPC itself. On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:29:46A

Re: [BackupPC-users] An idea to fix both SIGPIPE and memory issues with rsync

2009-12-16 Thread Ralf Gross
Robin Lee Powell schrieb: > RedHat GFS *really* doesn't like directories with large numbers of > files. It's not a big fan of stat() calls, either. Well, a network Cluster Filesystem is no fun to backup and might very well be the bottleneck. Ralf ---

Re: [BackupPC-users] An idea to fix both SIGPIPE and memory issues with rsync

2009-12-16 Thread Les Mikesell
Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 05:42:55PM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: >> Just to give a sense of scale here: >> >> # date ; find /pictures -xdev -type f -printf "%h\n" >/tmp/dirs ; date >> Tue Dec 15 12:50:57 PST 2009 >> Tue Dec 15 17:26:44 PST 2009 >> >> (something I ran to t

Re: [BackupPC-users] An idea to fix both SIGPIPE and memory issues with rsync

2009-12-16 Thread Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom
On 12/16 06:38 , Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > On 12/15 05:42 , Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > The other one isn't even close to finishing, as far as I can tell. > > In the face of it taking nigh-on 5 hours just to *walk the tree*, > > from the local host, I haven't been focusing on little things l

Re: [BackupPC-users] An idea to fix both SIGPIPE and memory issues with rsync

2009-12-16 Thread Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom
On 12/15 05:42 , Robin Lee Powell wrote: > The other one isn't even close to finishing, as far as I can tell. > In the face of it taking nigh-on 5 hours just to *walk the tree*, > from the local host, I haven't been focusing on little things like > ssh encryption choices too much. :) So you're co

Re: [BackupPC-users] An idea to fix both SIGPIPE and memory issues with rsync

2009-12-16 Thread Robin Lee Powell
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 05:42:55PM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > Just to give a sense of scale here: > > # date ; find /pictures -xdev -type f -printf "%h\n" >/tmp/dirs ; date > Tue Dec 15 12:50:57 PST 2009 > Tue Dec 15 17:26:44 PST 2009 > > (something I ran to try to figure out how to partiti

Re: [BackupPC-users] An idea to fix both SIGPIPE and memory issues with rsync

2009-12-15 Thread Robin Lee Powell
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 06:27:41AM -0600, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > On 12/14 04:25 , Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > Not with large trees it isn't. I have 3.5 million files, and > > more than 300GiB of data, in one file system. The last > > incremental took *twenty one hours*. I have another

Re: [BackupPC-users] An idea to fix both SIGPIPE and memory issues with rsync

2009-12-15 Thread Ralf Gross
Robin Lee Powell schrieb: > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 02:33:06PM +0100, Holger Parplies wrote: > > Robin Lee Powell wrote on 2009-12-15 00:22:41 -0800: > > > Oh, I agree; in an ideal world, it wouldn't be an issue. I'm > > > afraid I don't live there. :) > > > > none of us do, but you're having pr

Re: [BackupPC-users] An idea to fix both SIGPIPE and memory issues with rsync

2009-12-15 Thread Chris Robertson
Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 02:33:06PM +0100, Holger Parplies wrote: > >> Robin Lee Powell wrote on 2009-12-15 00:22:41 -0800: >> >>> Oh, I agree; in an ideal world, it wouldn't be an issue. I'm >>> afraid I don't live there. :) >>> >> none of us do, but you'r

Re: [BackupPC-users] An idea to fix both SIGPIPE and memory issues with rsync

2009-12-15 Thread Les Mikesell
Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 02:33:06PM +0100, Holger Parplies wrote: >> Robin Lee Powell wrote on 2009-12-15 00:22:41 -0800: >>> Oh, I agree; in an ideal world, it wouldn't be an issue. I'm >>> afraid I don't live there. :) >> none of us do, but you're having problems. We ar

Re: [BackupPC-users] An idea to fix both SIGPIPE and memory issues with rsync

2009-12-15 Thread Robin Lee Powell
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 02:33:06PM +0100, Holger Parplies wrote: > Robin Lee Powell wrote on 2009-12-15 00:22:41 -0800: > > Oh, I agree; in an ideal world, it wouldn't be an issue. I'm > > afraid I don't live there. :) > > none of us do, but you're having problems. We aren't. How many of you a

Re: [BackupPC-users] An idea to fix both SIGPIPE and memory issues with rsync

2009-12-15 Thread Holger Parplies
Hi, Robin Lee Powell wrote on 2009-12-15 00:22:41 -0800 [Re: [BackupPC-users] An idea to fix both SIGPIPE and memory issues with?rsync]: > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 08:20:07PM -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: > > Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > > > > Asking rsync, and ssh,

Re: [BackupPC-users] An idea to fix both SIGPIPE and memory issues with rsync

2009-12-15 Thread Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom
On 12/14 04:25 , Robin Lee Powell wrote: > Not with large trees it isn't. I have 3.5 million files, and more > than 300GiB of data, in one file system. The last incremental took > *twenty one hours*. I have another backup that's 4.5 million files, > also more than 300 GiB of data, also in one fi

Re: [BackupPC-users] An idea to fix both SIGPIPE and memory issues with rsync

2009-12-15 Thread Robin Lee Powell
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 08:20:07PM -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: > Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > > Asking rsync, and ssh, and a pair of firewalls and load > > balancers (it's complicated) to stay perfectly fine for almost a > > full day is really asking a whole hell of a lot. > > I don't think that

Re: [BackupPC-users] An idea to fix both SIGPIPE and memory issues with rsync

2009-12-14 Thread Les Mikesell
Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > Asking rsync, and ssh, and a pair of firewalls and load balancers > (it's complicated) to stay perfectly fine for almost a full day is > really asking a whole hell of a lot. I don't think that should be true. There's no reason for a program to quit just because it h

Re: [BackupPC-users] An idea to fix both SIGPIPE and memory issues with rsync

2009-12-14 Thread Jeffrey J. Kosowsky
Robin Lee Powell wrote at about 16:28:43 -0800 on Monday, December 14, 2009: > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 02:17:01PM -0500, Jeffrey J. Kosowsky wrote: > > Robin Lee Powell wrote at about 10:12:28 -0800 on Monday, December 14, > > 2009: > > > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 07:57:10AM -0600, Les Mikesell

Re: [BackupPC-users] An idea to fix both SIGPIPE and memory issues with rsync

2009-12-14 Thread Robin Lee Powell
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 02:08:31PM -0500, Jeffrey J. Kosowsky wrote: > Robin Lee Powell wrote at about 10:10:17 -0800 on Monday, December 14, 2009: > > Do you actually see a *problem* with it, or are you just > > assuming it won't work because it seems too easy? > > The problem I see is that bac

Re: [BackupPC-users] An idea to fix both SIGPIPE and memory issues with rsync

2009-12-14 Thread Robin Lee Powell
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 02:17:01PM -0500, Jeffrey J. Kosowsky wrote: > Robin Lee Powell wrote at about 10:12:28 -0800 on Monday, December 14, 2009: > > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 07:57:10AM -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: > > > > > > You can, however, explicitly break the runs at top-level > > > direct

Re: [BackupPC-users] An idea to fix both SIGPIPE and memory issues with rsync

2009-12-14 Thread Jeffrey J. Kosowsky
Shawn Perry wrote at about 23:42:33 -0700 on Sunday, December 13, 2009: > You can always run come sort of disk de-duplicater after you copy without -H How does the disk de-duplicator know which duplications are intentional vs. which ones are not? Plus a de-duplicator will have similar memory sca

Re: [BackupPC-users] An idea to fix both SIGPIPE and memory issues with rsync

2009-12-14 Thread Jeffrey J. Kosowsky
Robin Lee Powell wrote at about 10:12:28 -0800 on Monday, December 14, 2009: > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 07:57:10AM -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: > > Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > I've only looked at the code briefly, but I believe this > > > *should* be possible. I don't know if I'll be implementi

Re: [BackupPC-users] An idea to fix both SIGPIPE and memory issues with rsync

2009-12-14 Thread Jeffrey J. Kosowsky
Robin Lee Powell wrote at about 10:10:17 -0800 on Monday, December 14, 2009: > Do you actually see a *problem* with it, or are you just assuming it > won't work because it seems too easy? The problem I see is that backuppc won't be able to backup hard links on any interrupted or sub-divided back

Re: [BackupPC-users] An idea to fix both SIGPIPE and memory issues with rsync

2009-12-14 Thread Robin Lee Powell
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 07:57:10AM -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: > Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > I've only looked at the code briefly, but I believe this > > *should* be possible. I don't know if I'll be implementing it, > > at least not right away, but it shouldn't actually be that hard, > > so I want

Re: [BackupPC-users] An idea to fix both SIGPIPE and memory issues with rsync

2009-12-14 Thread Robin Lee Powell
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 11:56:59PM -0500, Jeffrey J. Kosowsky wrote: > Unfortunately, I don't think it is that simple. If it were, then > rsync would have been written that way back in version .001. I > mean there is a reason that rsync memory usage increases as the > number of files increases (eve

Re: [BackupPC-users] An idea to fix both SIGPIPE and memory issues with rsync

2009-12-14 Thread Les Mikesell
Robin Lee Powell wrote: > I've only looked at the code briefly, but I believe this *should* be > possible. I don't know if I'll be implementing it, at least not > right away, but it shouldn't actually be that hard, so I wanted to > throw it out so someone else could run with it if ey wants. > > I

Re: [BackupPC-users] An idea to fix both SIGPIPE and memory issues with rsync

2009-12-13 Thread Shawn Perry
You can always run come sort of disk de-duplicater after you copy without -H On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Jeffrey J. Kosowsky wrote: > Robin Lee Powell wrote at about 20:18:55 -0800 on Sunday, December 13, 2009: >  > >  > I've only looked at the code briefly, but I believe this *should* be >

Re: [BackupPC-users] An idea to fix both SIGPIPE and memory issues with rsync

2009-12-13 Thread Jeffrey J. Kosowsky
Robin Lee Powell wrote at about 20:18:55 -0800 on Sunday, December 13, 2009: > > I've only looked at the code briefly, but I believe this *should* be > possible. I don't know if I'll be implementing it, at least not > right away, but it shouldn't actually be that hard, so I wanted to > throw

[BackupPC-users] An idea to fix both SIGPIPE and memory issues with rsync

2009-12-13 Thread Robin Lee Powell
I've only looked at the code briefly, but I believe this *should* be possible. I don't know if I'll be implementing it, at least not right away, but it shouldn't actually be that hard, so I wanted to throw it out so someone else could run with it if ey wants. It's an idea I had about rsync resum