Dearest Tim Nolan
Thanks for your interest
My few days of holiday are over and my series of letters on this list now
truly at an end.
This may well be the seal" of the letters which I can! humbly write
but in
answer to your question I would beg you to look carefully at this section of
a paper
In a message dated 1/2/2005 11:49:00 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Fair enough, but if we want to get down to brass tacks, and thinkabout how to best describe the relation between the religions witheducational levels, it makes ALOT more sense for the direction to bereversed
Ron, Ron, Ron. What are we going to do with you? Can you not see how you
employ some of those same 'hard core verbal techniques of persuasion' you
imply others use? But I'll get back to that.
"The same Iqan also, in numerous places, resorts to *logic* and "common
sense* and *science* as prerequis
On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 21:08:24 -0600, Don Calkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 2:40 PM -0500 1/2/05, Gilberto Simpson wrote:
> >I haven't found a really good concise description of the concept of
> >perfect man in the way I would like,
>
> The idea is very old, and has gone thru many variations, e
On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 21:15:25 -0600, Don Calkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 9:43 PM -0500 1/2/05, Gilberto Simpson wrote:
> >But then once you say that religions are "progressive" then you end up
> >ranking the religions according to how old they are and you can't help
> >but insult the religio
On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 19:28:11 -0800 (PST), Tim Nolan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear Susan, Gilberto and Kazeh,
>
> I hope you will not mind a non-scholar coming late into this conversation
> about the Seal of the Prophets. I have a few questions.
I'm not a scholar so it's fine if you kept me
Dear Tim,
For me, the following confirms what you say below:
XXV. It is evident that every age in which a Manifestation of God hath
lived is divinely ordained, and may, in a sense, be characterized as
God's appointed Day. This Day, however, is unique, and is to be
distinguished from those that
Dear Susan, Gilberto and Kazeh,
I hope you will not mind a non-scholar coming late into this conversation
about the Seal of the Prophets. I have a few questions.
My understanding is that "Nabi" refers to a prophet or warner
who does not bring a book, and who does not establish a
religion. Th
At 9:43 PM -0500 1/2/05, Gilberto Simpson wrote:
>
>But then once you say that religions are "progressive" then you end up
>ranking the religions according to how old they are and you can't help
>but insult the religions which came before.
>
Most of their adherents probably feel that way. But then
At 4:38 PM -0500 1/2/05, Gilberto Simpson wrote:
>3. More generally, if you really look at Sufism and realize that it is
>a living part of Islam, and really appreciate its function, then I
>think it is alot harder for Bahais to make the case that Islam (in the
>sense of following the Quran, and sun
At 2:40 PM -0500 1/2/05, Gilberto Simpson wrote:
>I haven't found a really good concise description of the concept of
>perfect man in the way I would like,
The idea is very old, and has gone thru many variations, especially in
Jewish, Persian and Islamic cultures.
The oldest versions are at least
On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 23:14:01 -, Khazeh Fananapazir
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear Gilberto Simpson
> Today in your letter on the net
> http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist/m43095.html
> you write:*
> To be honest, for me it isn't about liking or disliking the concept. I'm not
> saying
On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 15:19:21 -0800 (PST), John Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> G: 2. Muslims aren't necessarily "tying up the hands of God" by saying
> prophethood is over.
> J: But you do not accept the appearance of anyone on par with Prophet
> Muhammad, i.e. Baha'u'llah, who revealed
In this day and age, and from now on, religion is a choice. Maybe it
wasn't this way when the Islamic armies swept across the middle of
Eurasia. Maybe it wasn't this way in Medieval Europe when there was an
Inquisition. But now, most people can choose to join any religion
they want to, or no
G: 2. Muslims aren't necessarily "tying up the hands of God" by sayingprophethood is over.
J: But you do not accept the appearance of anyone on par with Prophet Muhammad, i.e. Baha'u'llah, who revealed a brand new Qur'an equal to the Qur'an you currently use, do you. In that respect, I belie
Dear Gilberto Simpson
Today in your letter on the net
http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist/m43095.html
you write:*
To be honest, for me it isn't about liking or disliking the concept. I'm not
saying that Islam is better just because there is this concept of al-insaan
al-kamil. I guess what I
On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 20:57:29 -, Khazeh Fananapazir
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So that Insaan e Kaamil [Perfect Man] concept that you like is there par
> excellence in the Manifestation.
>
To be honest, for me it isn't about liking or disliking the concept.
I'm not saying that Islam is bette
Dear brother Gilberto
Much admired friend you wrote:
I haven't found a really good concise description of the concept of
perfect man in the way I would like, but here is one exerpt of a
website I found.
http://www.ibnarabisociety.org/weismann.html
I guess what I would suggest is that the de
What is the advice of the Universal House of Justice?
Dear John Smith
Cordially and humbly I would say the advice of the Universal House of
Justice is deducible in these lines They wrote some time ago. I was thinking
of these lines because of the way a Persian was said to write
**In your opennes
What is the advise of the Universal House of Justice?
Khazeh Fananapazir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Dear John SmithJohn Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]May my life be an offering for your kind words.Yes I am a Persian married to an Egyptian...But in relation to writing and style of writing this servant of y
> I feel very sad as I leave this discussion that after all my missives my
> brother Gilberto has not read the article this servant co-wrote on the
Seal
> of the Prophets...
>
> If he were to really read it without any preconception he would really
come
> to a different understanding.
That's not
I haven't found a really good concise description of the concept of
perfect man in the way I would like, but here is one exerpt of a
website I found.
http://www.ibnarabisociety.org/weismann.html
I guess what I would suggest is that the description of Perfect Man
seems similar to Manifestation in
On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 09:48:46 -0800 (PST), John Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ***
> Gilberto, it doesn't seem like you are familiar with the Persian Language.
> It is very flowery. Reading Khazeh's writing styles is like listening to
> persians speaking among themselves, or like reading persi
On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 12:09:22 -, Khazeh Fananapazir
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I feel very sad as I leave this discussion that after all my missives my
> brother Gilberto has not read the article this servant co-wrote on the Seal
> of the Prophets...
>
> If he were to really read it without a
In a message dated 1/2/2005 12:59:59 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The
Prophet married her (by traditional accounts) when she was seven, but did not
consumate the marriage until she was eleven. That seems reasonable to me by
the standards of the time.
Dear Scott
In a message dated 1/2/2005 5:43:35 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That's actually kind of interesting. I honestly don't know what verseof the Quran one could site to say one thing or another about the ageof Aishah or her marriage to the prophet.A good article discussing thi
Dear John Smith
John Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
May my life be an offering for your kind words.
Yes I am a Persian married to an Egyptian...
But in relation to writing and style of writing this servant of yours is
influenced [or hopes to be influenced by the Advice of the Universal House
of Justic
Gilberto (to Khazeh):
You are very welcome. And you are being way too exagerated in yourcomplements. It really isn't necessary. I would actually feel morecomfortable without such comments. I trust you have good intentionsand and are sincerely trying to be warm and friendly.
Gilberto (to Khazeh):
On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 03:57:22 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For a non-Muslim hadith is confusing. There is no
> consensus as to which
> hadith are reliable and which are not.
One issue is that classification of hadith is more nuanced than
reliable/not-reliable. Shias have a
On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 01:43:27 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In a message dated 1/2/2005 12:14:32 AM Central Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> The Qur'an warns against hadith.
> Where does it do that?
>
>
> "Have they not looked at the dominion of the heavens and t
On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 23:23:26 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In a message dated 1/1/2005 10:02:54 PM Central Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Dear Scott,
> That is precisely Gilberto's point, that Muslims in rejecting any prophet
> after Muhammad are simply followin
" For a non-Muslim hadith is confusing. There is no consensus as to which
hadith are reliable and which are not."
Dear Scott,
There is a consensus, though it may not be based on the best criteria. But
hadiths are usually classed as 'sound' or 'weak' by virtue of their chain of
transmission.
"D
In a message dated 1/2/2005 1:24:13 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dear Scott,
I see you have been visiting Dr. Khalifa's website. ;-} I would be very careful with that material. He had his own agenda. These verses do not at all refer to the oral traditions of the prophe
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