ron,
i did not attribute the quotes to u. that would involve me saying "u said" or
something like it.
i attributed them to the set of persons offering views without what passes my
standards of qualification.
i caused their reiteration as an example of strawman argument.
i caused their reite
> Also, if you would capitalize and punctuate your posts a little bit
> closer to common norms it would help me understand them better.
I think we would all say Amen to that.
warmest, Susan
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> I don't consider this to be a false categorization of the views of
> many believers, and I never said it was true of "most" believers. It
> is clearly the view of some on this list, and some of these believers
> are extremely outspoken and intolerant of any other viewpoint, thus
> magnifying thei
Dear David,
In the 19th century Middle East people had no choice but to be right-
handed. Even if your natural disposition was to be left-handed you
would be made to write and eat with your right hand. The left-hand was
reserved for unclean tasks.
warmest, Susan
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Iskandar Hai wrote:
If I'm not mistaken, the beloved Guardian Shoghi Effendi refers to the
"unerring pen" of `Abdu'l-Baha somewhere in his writings but I can't
recall the context in which he makes that comment about Him.
Yes, Shoghi Effendi uses the words "unerring pen" in multiple contexts
Dean Betts wrote:
"I think Tim Nolan has given a very cogent interpretation of the Master's
words on these two subjects."
I agree with you, Dean. Tim grasps that these passages are symbolic of
spiritual realities, not physical realities.
Ron Stephens
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> Can you explain the "moral" quality of conferred infallibility
> please?
Dear Hasan,
The word translated as infallibility is ismat which literally means
immaculacy. It is used primary to denote someone incapable of sin,
which is a moral failing. I think possessing ismat means that one's
Dear Ron,
You wrote:
>1. Many Baha'is believe that some of the Writings expose flaws in the
>theory of evolution, and that to believe that people evolved from
>common ancestors to other primates is wrong.
>and 2. Some Baha'is believe that modern physics is wrong to have
>rejected the concept of
Firestorm wrote:
"actually that's a fie example of failing to show the Cite.
i been hearing this "the whole Iqan" "alll the Writings of
Baha'u'llah" yadydyydaa for wa longer than i ever wanted to. from
people upholding absolute nonsense, people trying to be reasonable,
and people trying to ru
Dr. Maneck,
You wrote:
"What I find belligerent is your false categorization of the views of
most believer"
Dear Susan,
I said, in my original response to this thread:
"A very common Baha'i attitude is that if one of the Central Figures
wrote something that comes into conflict with scientific
Dear Susan, Can you explain the "moral" quality of conferred infallibility please? Thanks, Hasan[EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: >Have you read
my essay on this topic? http://infallibility.susanmaneck.com/My understanding is that infallibility is a moral quality and that the one who
> >I am more than a little puzzled about explaining Abdul-Baha's
> errors, especially related to science, to nonBahais<
Why not just offer them your own understanding?
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> Another reason why Abdul-Baha and many Arabs may have rejected
> Enlightenment values was the perception that the concepts of
> liberty and
> civil rights went too far and were inconsistent with Islam and
> submission to God.
>
Dear Marleen,
You're talking about Arabs in generalities. Whic
>> In my view, calling Abdu'l Baha "wrong" is like a newborn infant
> calling Aristotle wrong.
> The infant is not qualified to say Aristotle is wrong. By the
> same principle, I am not qualified to say Abdu'l Baha was wrong.
> And yes, I know Aristotle was wrong about some things, particula
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> Many of His contemporaries had a great deal of admiration for
> the
> >> Enlightenment.
> >
> > Arabs that did were clearly in the minority and seen as
> extremists.
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Dear Marleen,
Your complaining about Abdu'l-Baha speaking in generalities about the
>
> Huh? What do you find "belligerent" about my post?
Dear Ron,
What I find belligerent is your false categorization of the views of
most believers, your inability to listen to their perspective and your
intolerance of views other than your own.
I pointed out an area of disagreement
> abo
> 'Abdu'l-Bahá explains this, Do you think it is an economic model?
Dear Hasan,
In some ways, though it seems to be addressed to an agrian culture
which is rapidly disappearing. It does at least, destroy the myth I've
heard in some quarters that the Huququllah will be the only form of
taxati
'Abdu'l-Bahá explains this, Do you think it is an economic model? His Holiness Bahá'u'lláh has given instructions regarding every one of the questions confronting humanity. He has given teachings and instructions with regard to every one of the problems with which man struggles. Among the
Marleen and Susan, For some reason my emails are not getting posted to the Baha'i Studies list. I've sent this twice and it hasn't been posted. So, I'll respond directly. Hi Marleen, I apologize for the delay in responding. >but how do we know Abdul-Baha possessed superhuma
Marleen and Susan, For some reason my emails are not getting posted to the Baha'i Studies list. I've sent this twice and it hasn't been posted. So, I'll respond directly. >I'm not entirely sure they [Baha'u'llah's words about Abdu'l Baha] shed much light on whether Abdu'l-Baha wa
I sent this message yesterday, but it apparently got lost in cyberspace, so I'm sending it again. Hi Marleen, I apologize for the delay in responding. >but how do we know Abdul-Baha possessed superhuman knowledge when he couldn't discern factual errors? < First, there is this quo
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I sent this yesterday, but I did not see it arrive on the list; somehow it got lost. So, I'm sending it again. Dear Susan, >I'm not entirely sure they [Baha'u'llah's words about Abdu'l Baha] shed much light on whether Abdu'l-Baha was right about this, that and the other thing. Not un
Jeanine H. wrote:
I could certainly be off track here, as I do not claim to be a
historian or philosopher. But, if we disagree with 'Abdu'l-Baha about
a philosophical movement, aren't we just pitting our opinions against
His?
Yes, you raise a good point. I did not mean to simply disagree
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