Re: Joining Partners with God

2008-03-31 Thread Richard H. Gravelly
your own hands have fashioned! ' Baha'u'llah quoting Muhammad quoted by (Shoghi Effendi, Messages to the Indian Subcontinent, p. 434) Dominus vobiscum. Richard. - Original Message - From: Gilberto Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] joining partners with God or shirk is used a bit more

Re: Joining Partners with God

2008-03-24 Thread Gilberto Simpson
joining partners with God or shirk is used a bit more generally than that. For example it would also include ascribing attributes of God to beings other than God. (So from a Muslim view, the typical Christian understanding of the Incarnation). Also the Trinity (arguably) constitutes a certain kind

Re: Joining Partners with God

2008-03-23 Thread Brent Poirier Attorney
It is my understanding that this phrase, joining partners with God, means making someone God's equal. In Section XCIV of the Gleanings, Baha'u'llah addresses this subject. In the Hidden Words O Companion of My Throne, I personally think it is Baha'u'llah addressing His followers

RE: Joining Partners with God

2008-03-23 Thread Mazda Karimi
Dear Brent You wrote: 'In the Hidden Words O Companion of My Throne, I personally think it is Baha'u'llah addressing His followers. There are different ways of viewing a companion to the throne. One way would be that someone is seated on the throne with Him, but I have never viewed it this

Re: Joining Partners with God

2008-03-22 Thread Matt Haase
The phrase joining partners with God is an Islamic term originally, and is often interpreted to mean a belief that people should pray to Prophets, Angels, Messengers to get closer to God, instead of approaching God directly. It is condemned in the Qur'an as the only sin that God would not forgive

Re: Joining Partners with God

2008-03-22 Thread Susan Maneck
The phrase joining partners with God is an Islamic term originally, and is often interpreted to mean a belief that people should pray to Prophets, Angels, Messengers to get closer to God, instead of approaching God directly. More often it refers to idolatry. The information contained

re: Joining Partners with God

2008-03-22 Thread firestorm
throne would indicate to me the position, not the Person. campanion comes from the latin for sharing bread. were the disciples partners in the Station of Christ, or the infallible Guardian may be alluding to this definrtion of companion: Companion - A term applied to a certain grade of

Re: Joining Partners with God

2008-03-22 Thread firestorm
They did acknowledge a vague supreme Deity, called Allah; but they joined partners with Him, lesser deities called al ilahat -- the goddesses; Muhammad's teaching was La ilaha illa'llah -- There is no ilah but Allah. This reminds us of Acts 17:23: Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare

Re: Joining Partners with God

2008-03-22 Thread firestorm
susan, thank you. my woeful ignorance has nme recalling sadiq likeweis emenaing friend and deriving from a tri-consonental for true. can u give me a handle on the permutational path? i have of late been deeply concerned with this issue--that if there is no truth, there is no friend. and

Re: Joining Partners with God

2008-03-22 Thread Susan Maneck
On 3/22/08, firestorm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: susan, thank you. my woeful ignorance has nme recalling sadiq likeweis emenaing friend and deriving from a tri-consonental for true. Yes, that's another root. Sadiq means righteous. But the term here is rafiq. The information contained in

Joining Partners with God

2008-03-21 Thread Dean Betts
Fellow Baha'is, Please read the following from the Persian Hidden Words: 44. O COMPANION OF MY THRONE! Hear no evil, and see no evil, abase not thyself, neither sigh and weep. Speak no evil, that thou mayest not hear it spoken unto thee, and magnify not the faults of others that thine own

Re: Joining Partners with God

2008-03-21 Thread Susan Maneck
To whom do you think O COMPANION OF MY THRONE refers? We are warned many times in the Writings to not join partners with God. Would not a COMPANION OF HIS THRONE be at least a minor partner? Therefore, I am thinking that this Persian Hidden Word #44 must be addressed to the Blessed Beauty.