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> * But as he is the Guardian, he has a “plus” that the House doesn’t have “he
> often senses a situation or condition without having any >detailed >knowledge
> of it”.
How do we know the House doesn't have this as well?
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>> As such, it is easy to **imagine** the House of Justice in the future
>> (posthumously?) referring to some believer as having distinguished
>> him/herself to such a degree in the realms of faith, spirituality and
>> service that they had risen to such a station.
>Sor
it”. He appointed Hands in life and posthumous.
--- El dom, 6/6/10, Susan Maneck escribió:
De: Susan Maneck
Asunto: Re: Lesser Prophets
A: "Baha'i Studies"
Fecha: domingo, 6 de junio de 2010, 10:55 pm
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> As such, it is easy t
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> As such, it is easy to **imagine** the House of Justice in the future
> (posthumously?) referring to some believer as having distinguished
> him/herself to such a degree in the realms of faith, spirituality and
> service that they had risen to such a station.
Sorry, I
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Hi Brent,
>Baha'u'llah said the day will come when a woman traveling alone will be able
>to traverse
>the entire surface of the earth ... and without a single man having looked
>upon her with lust.
While men have a responsibility for this, it would also help if
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Dear Mary Lou:
Personally, I think that Mormons should primarily be approached as
Christians, only secondarily as Mormons. That is, that they are best
approached with the explanations in Some Answered Questions and the Book
of Certitude, about the Bible and Jesus
rvice..
I know there are many shortcomings to that Faith
but they seem to emphasize family and service ,,
why is th emorman religion so rich
I have lots of quetsions
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From: Brent Poirier
To: Baha'i Studies
Sent: Fri, May 7, 2010 2:49:24 AM
Subject: Re:
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I wonder if we have not seen the end of the phenomenon of Lesser
Prophets, with the close of the Cycle of Prophecy. Humanity used to get
these short bursts of inspired Minor Prophets, with their unassailable
moral integrity, upholding the divine standar
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I know its late, but some prophets like Jonah were sent to preach to pagans
like in Ninevah for some reason. It's weird in that they repented immediately.
"Through much of the Hebrew Scriptures, we see such lesser prophets castigating
members o
".
--- El vie, 2/12/10, Susan Maneck escribió:
De: Susan Maneck
Asunto: Re: Lesser Prophets
A: "Baha'i Studies"
Fecha: viernes, 12 de febrero de 2010, 01:21 pm
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> I think the 24 Guardians are different from the subject of 24 el
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> If one assumes
> that Shoghi was not one of those 24 Guardians- I do not see this a
> sane theory-,then we should wait for those 24 Guardians;unless there
> has been a bada'.
But we have only your word for it, that there ever were 23 guardians
promised to follow Sh
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> I think the 24 Guardians are different from the subject of 24 elders.
Shahram,
If you know of any place where Abdu'l-Baha says anything about
'guardians' outside of his interpretation of the 24 Elders mentioned
in the Book of Revelation please feel free to post the s
t for those 24 Guardians;unless there has been
a bada'.
Yours,
Rohani
--- On Wed, 2/10/10, Sen & Sonja wrote:
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Subject: Re: Lesser Prophets
To: "Baha'i Studies"
Date: Wednesday, February 10, 2010, 3:55 AM
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Sent: Thu, February 11, 2010 5:54:57 PM
Subject: Re: Lesser Prophets
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> Oh, language is one the most sublte barriers to understanding concepts.
> English speaker think prophet is associated with prophecy, fortelling the
> future. So, do Baha'i bel
y 11, 2010 5:54:57 PM
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> Oh, language is one the most sublte barriers to understanding concepts.
> English speaker think prophet is associated with prophecy, fortelling the
> future. So, do Baha'i believe a Baha'i c
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>> Persians tend to use Hafiz for fortune-telling but that's just
>> superstition.
>
>
> Wow! Those are fighting words ;-} We don't call him the Tongue of Unseen
> for nothing.
I figured that would get a rise out of some Persian here. ;-}
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> Oh, language is one the most sublte barriers to understanding concepts.
> English speaker think prophet is associated with prophecy, fortelling the
> future. So, do Baha'i believe a Baha'i can acheive the station of a seer
> like Joseph Smith II?
I'm not sure that is
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On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Susan Maneck wrote:
> Persians tend to use Hafiz for fortune-telling but that's just
> superstition.
Wow! Those are fighting words ;-} We don't call him the Tongue of Unseen
for nothing.
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>
> One spiritual future bahá'í prophet (in the sense he/she see the future)
> could warn, of course without conferred authority, like Hafiz in muslims. Is
> true?
I'm sure we will have poets and mystics if that's what you mean.
Persians tend to use Hafiz for fortune-
up from the couch of
heedlessness. Thus hath My mercy encompassed you.
(Baha'u'llah, The Summons of the Lord of Hosts, p. 65)
with humility and kind regards
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ame people to
attempt the same station of love as the Manifestation. From what I've read,
it was the "lesser" prophets who did any foretelling of what could happen to
humanity if we didn't follow the example of the Manifestation.
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Khazeh wrote:
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A: "Baha'i Studies"
Cc: "'Stephen Gray'" , "'Susan Maneck'"
, "'Brent Poirier'"
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So, do Baha'i s believe a Baha'i can acheive the station of a seer like
Joseph Smith II?
Stephen Gray, dear brother on this list.
In this "Dispensation", in this Day of Baha'u'llah, the "Day of God" we are
not encouraged to seek station
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Hi,
One spiritual future bahá'í prophet (in the sense he/she see the future) could
warn, of course without conferred authority, like Hafiz in muslims. Is true?
--- El jue 11-feb-10, Stephen Gray escribió:
De: Stephen Gray
Asunto: Re: Lesser Prophets
oseph Smith
II?
From: Susan Maneck
To: Baha'i Studies
Sent: Wed, February 10, 2010 3:17:10 PM
Subject: Re: Lesser Prophets
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> Or do you think it is possible some bahá'ís could be spiritual enough to make
> prophecies about many i
lation?
Dear Ahang,
Yes, I think if the Guardianship had continued they might well have
played a role similar to the Lesser Prophets but instead it what
happened was precisely as Abdu'l-Baha described.
warmest, Susan
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mple the future of the >community,
> or something related to the coming of next Prophet, etc.
>
> Dear Hasan,
>
> I'm not thinking of prophets in the sense of foretelling the future.
> The term nabi (or navi in the Hebrew) comes from a word meaning 'to
> warn.'
ng of prophets in the sense of foretelling the future.
The term nabi (or navi in the Hebrew) comes from a word meaning 'to
warn.' The lesser prophets were warners, whose function it was to tell
the kings of Israel and other elites where they were going wrong. My
interpretation of 'Abd
ophet, etc.
Thanks
--- El mar 9-feb-10, Susan Maneck escribió:
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Asunto: Re: Lesser Prophets
A: "Baha'i Studies"
Fecha: martes, 9 febrero, 2010, 3:54 pm
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> I think that criticism should be welcome, and treated on its merits,
&g
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On 9 Feb 2010 at 23:26, shahram rohani wrote:
> according to the words of Abdul-Baha,we were supposed to have 24
> Guardians,
The reference it to a verse in Revelation:
"And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats,
fell upon their faces, and w
that there has been a change [Bada' ] .
Yours/Rohani
--- On Tue, 2/9/10, Stephen Gray wrote:
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Subject: Re: Lesser Prophets
To: "Baha'i Studies"
Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 12:21 PM
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What is the difference between seve
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> I think that criticism should be welcome, and treated on its merits,
> without regard for where it comes from.
Not if it is criticism of the Universal House of Justice. Abdu'l-Baha
is quite clear that this 'prophetic' function is disallowed:
We have noted what thou d
i'a Imams. Given
'Abdu'l-Baha insistence that every Baha'i must be submissive to the
Universal House of Justice, I don't see how we could have lesser
prophets like those of the Old Testament. As for Apostles, I think the
Hands of the Cause
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Another thought on the statement by Abdu'l-Baha that in this day
"The station which he who hath truly recognized this Revelation will attain is
the same as the one ordaine
ference between the rank of a
Lesser Prophet, and the functions of one, as David has pointed out -- where the
functions of the Lesser Prophets in the past included being judges of others.
There are many expressions in the Writings of the greatness which can be
attained in this Day, th
outside of one's personal sphere of control, a sense of the Biblical/prophetic
"Thus saith the Lord..."--is, I believe, disruptive and disunifying. It is that
presumption of individual authority and the ad hominem nature of many prophetic
diatribes in the Bible which suggest to m
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On 8 Feb 2010 at 16:21, Gary Selchert wrote:
> ... clearly it would not be a good thing for the
> Baha'i community to have the institutions of the Faith or their
> members critiqued by self- designated "prophets" getting up on their
> hind legs and berating them on the
wever,we read in Numbers 12:1-8 that prophets ("not
endowed with constancy") receive their inspiration through enigmatic dreams and
visions rather than with face-to-face clarity as do the Manifestations. Through
much of the Hebrew Scriptures, we see such lesser prophets castigating members
o
ter on behalf
of Shoghi Effendi to an individual believer dated October 21, 1932, US
Baha'i News #80, January, 1934, pp. 5-6)
In the Dispensation of Moses, the Lesser Prophets were guided by Him,
i.e. by Moses.
In this Dispensation, the House of Justice and Guardian are guided by
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