A note in Miracles and Metaphors
points out that "Ibn-Khaldun, who has been called the founder of sociology,
argued that religion can only succeed if it receives the backing of the
prophet's people on the basis of kinship solidarity". Was he truly the
founder of sociology? Why was he calle
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From: Richard H. Gravelly
A note in Miracles and Metaphors points out that "Ibn-Khaldun, who has been
called the founder of sociology, argued that religion can only succeed if it
receives the backing of the prophet's people on the basis of kinship
solidarity". Was he
"A note in Miracles and Metaphors points out that "Ibn-Khaldun, who has been
called the founder of sociology, argued that religion can only succeed if it
receives the backing of the prophet's people on the basis of kinship
solidarity". Was he truly the founder of sociology? Why was he called th
Susan,
At 03:31 PM 12/14/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>I tell my students he was the Father of Social History.<<
Some sociologists do regard Khaldun as the actual "founder" of sociology. Personally,
I think it is more accurate to say either that he was the founder of social (not
cultural) history,
Dear Susan,
> Unfortunately Ibn Khaldun's masterpiece did not have much of
> an impact on how people wrote history subsequently.
But it had a great impact on how people wrote. A number of other great
literary works attempted to model after the magnificent prose of Ibn
Khaldun, a work which he t
Ahang,
At 05:25 PM 12/14/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>By the way it's available in English, though I don't recall the translator(s).<<
It is translated by Franz Rosenthal. I have a copy in my library.
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> By the way it's available in English, though I don't recall the
> translator(s).
Franz Rosenthal translated it, but the translation isn't very good.
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Dear Susan and Mark,
Thanks for mentioning the translator.
> Franz Rosenthal translated it, but the translation isn't very good.
Well, Susan jan, you may have to roll up the sleeves on this one and come
up with a more befitting translation. It certainly will have the market as
it's a foundatio
> Well, Susan jan, you may have to roll up the sleeves on this one and come
> up with a more befitting translation. It certainly will have the market
as
> it's a foundational text and would make a great project.
Uh, I'm afraid it's a little beyong me, Ahang jan. Let's pawn it off on
Will. ;-}
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Dear Ahang,
If you should locate any information regarding the English translations of
ibn-Khaldun's works, I would be most pleased to receive it from you.
Thank you
Richard.
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I see that we have quite a collection of ibn-Khaldun's works at Amazon.
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I have a question which is bothering me and I'm afraid that it is through
my ignorance that I ask it but here goes:
Why do we hark back to a bygone era continually in order to discuss ideas.
Can we be original or is it impossible because of so much that has gone
before?
Its possible that I am bein
His full name appears to be Franz Rosenthal Kaldun. If that is so: Is he
related?
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Richard,
At 05:08 PM 12/14/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>>Franz Rosenthal Kaldun<<
Where did you find that?
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Michael,
As far as I am concerned you are being neither ignorant nor arrogant. As
near as I can understand; most of us must have an idea regarding the
specific concerns of the people we seek to teach. If that individual should
pose a question which concerns many people today, although the questi
Mark,
I went to Amazon.com and typed in Franz Rosenthal. The first book to appear
was The Muqaddimah by Franz Rosenthal Kaldun (translator)
Richard.
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Richard,
At 06:08 PM 12/14/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>>I went to Amazon.com and typed in Franz Rosenthal. The first book to appear was The
>>Muqaddimah by Franz Rosenthal Kaldun (translator)<<
Okay, I see. That is strange. My copy of the book just has his name as Franz
Rosenthal.
Mark A. Foste
Mark
And his name is Franz Rosenthal on the frontispiece. Perhaps it is an error
on the part of Amazon.
Richard
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> Why do we hark back to a bygone era continually in order to discuss ideas.
> Can we be original or is it impossible because of so much that has gone
> before?
Sure you can be original, Michael, if you don't mind speaking a language no
one else understands. But then, of course, you cease to commu
hmmm. about 900ish bC a writer associated with solomon argued that yeah, it had all
been done before.
imho one of the most dangerous traps is the harkening to the "new" only to find it is
last week's fish wrapped in fresh paper.
occasionally, one cvan find truly fresh insite into a large mess
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