In a message dated 9/8/03 4:55:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
yes, but how do you know when the particular academic question is just
not the relevant one to ask from a spiritual point of view?
Dear Owen,
It might very well be the most relevant question in the absolute
waves. (Baha'u'llah, The Four
Valleys, p. 50)
Owen
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"But there is a spiritual trap in the academic approach to spiritual
matters, is there not?"
Dear Owen,
It is not a question of a 'trap.' Academic methodologies are tools that
exist for specific purposes. When applied to the proper 'job' they do well.
But there are certain jobs they aren'
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east?
"I
think what needs to be identified in questions like this, is what is the
underlying cause of both recognising and not recognising the Manaifestation of
God. This is an eternal question. East - west and any prophetic
aspects a
> Are there any other Mount Carmel's I
> should know about?
As has been quoted, the Master compared the vegetation in California to
that of the Holy Land, and then prayed that a spiritual similarity would
develop as well. I recall reading a pilgrim's note where the Master
referred to California
In a message dated 9/6/03 10:23:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>Yesterday I happened to see reference to a Mount Carmel in Illinois.
>Wouldn't it be something if the next Manifestation lived right there?
>Does anyone know more about this place and if it is close to the Temple?
It's a smal
23 PM To: Baha'i Studies Subject: Re: Manifestations only from the east? >Perhaps the next manifestation will come from California (this speculation >is only half tongue-in->cheek)? In Tablets of the Divine Plan Abdu'l-Baha >compares it to the Holy Land (quote below).
Perhaps the next manifestation will come from California (this speculation
is only half tongue-in->cheek)? In Tablets of the Divine Plan Abdu'l-Baha
compares it to the Holy Land (quote below).
Yesterday I happened to see reference to a Mount Carmel in Illinois.
Wouldn't it be something if the
> I'm fairly sure I have heard that there is no actual term for separate
> gender in Persian? Is this true? If so this could have a bearing on the
> discussion?
Dear Michael,.
That's correct. But we have been citing texts that were written in Arabic
which insists on gender.
warmest, Susan
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> I guess, then, that if
> > female pronouns had been used, such would prove that the next
> Manifestation
> > would be female?
>
> Dear David,
I guess, then, that if
> female pronouns had been used, such would prove that the next
Manifestation
> would be female?
Dear David,
It would certainly be a strong indication. But I've never know the
scriptures to make it that easy. ;-}
warmest, Susan
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"Perhaps the next manifestation will come from California"
Just so long as She's from Santa Cruz and not LA. ;-}
Oh, wait a minute Manifestations are supposed to appear in the worst places,
not the best. How about San Bernardino?
warmest, Susan
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Sandra wrote:
"I could find nothing in Ocean that states they MUST come from
the East. In many of His talks -particularly in Paris and London,
Abdu'l-Baha draws on the point that the Manifestations HAVE appeared in the
East. However, in the Revelation of Baha'u'llah, I sense that He is sa
Dear David,
Please forgive me, sometimes I forget that not everyone on
this list has been reading my "opinions" for years! [How
arrogant of me!]
You replied: <> I'm having difficulty understanding how
belief that there have been
Indigenous (Western) Prophets is in line with the belief that
ALL
Dear Susan,
Is there any reason to think they do? In Arabic the male pronouns are the
'default' just as they used to be in English.
Thanks for clarifying this. I wasn't entirely sure. I guess, then, that if
female pronouns had been used, such would prove that the next Manifestation
would be fe
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"I
think what needs to be identified in questions like this, is what is the
underlying cause of both recognising and not recognising the Manaifestation of
God. This is an eternal question. East - west and any prophetic aspects are
related to the era that has now gone by. But t
n we say we are teaching the
Faith.
Owen
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Dear Matt, (and Dav
In a message dated 9/5/03 5:46:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Notice all the masculine pronouns. Is there any reason to believe these do
not decisively tell us that the gender of the next Manifestation will be
male?
Dear David,
Is there any reason to think they do?
Dear Sandra,
I think 'Abdu'l-Baha is merely pointing to the historical fact that the world's great religions all come from Asia (as does most of the world's population) even though they may find greater acceptance in the West.
warmest, Susan
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Dear Sandra,
Also, (David), with regard to gender of the next Manifestation - a female
Manifestation would certainly be a challenge; and that in itself suggests
the probability, - to me. Having said that... I firmly believe at this
point in time that the physical temple of the Manifestation
Dear Matt, (and David)
Firstly, I tend to agree with you that there are no assurances
in the Writings (to my knowledge) the Universal House of Justice will
automatically "recognize" the next Manifestation. If someone knows of a
passage that lends itself to such assurance I would welcome th
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