Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics
Title: Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relic Markess wrote: yes I am catholic as is an other or two on this list and yes we have and do use holy water and crystals ibuded (sp) with their own desires and the rates and concepts we ask them to whether found in St ... or my intuition is all for thee greater glory of Life livingness! Yes I am having trouble keeping up with all the threads under this topic heading. But Thanks for the above. I hope you haven't taken anything I have said to be offensive to catholicism or your catholic beliefs. (I also hope any followers of voodoo haven't been offended, I deeply hope that!) I have made comment about buying holy cards but that is not a swipe at catholic belief - only at the commercialisation. So, do you see any relationships between the holy cards, relics and radionics, whether with preps or Rae cards? What are the differences between all these? Would it be possible to have Rae cards made for relics, or even holy water? (The it's all energy point is accepted already, but is not of much use otherwise.) -- Graeme Gerrard [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Title: Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics From: Roger Pye [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics And what was the original German when you find it. By the by a rate for over-stimulation is 158 5455 L*L Markess ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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No matter without spirit no spirit without matter One ref I found of Steiner quoting this saying was in Mysticism at the Dawn of the Modern Age (GA 7). He must have used it elsewhere too because I don't recall reading that lecture before. See it at: http://wn.elib.com/Steiner/Books/GA007/English/GA007_Giordano.html As to quoting Steiner in general - I am sorry to have done that - I hate it when people do that too. Steiner spoke so widely on so many topics (is it 6000+ lectures he gave?) that you can nearly always find a quote that echoes your own point of view. Though he made notes beforehand, his lectures must have been somewhat off the top of his head so the context in which he said stuff is important. (His consistency is just amazing). But his written works - I suppose they are a different matter. Funny, I thought I gave you a few clues to this, Markess, namely It is the motto of the Rudolph Steiner Foundation, San Francisco, founded in 1983. Roger, that is hardly the origin of the saying. From the google I did it looks like it was in common theosophical usage, apparently quoting from Hindu scripture, but I couldn't find a source. I wonder what the Salamanders, Undines, Sylphs and Earthlings think of this? I wonder if they think of this at all? 3 Kings prep? I don't use it, nor agnihotra. But anyone care to get back to the subject? -- Graeme Gerrard [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Title: Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics I wonder if they think of this at all? 3 Kings prep? I don't use it, nor agnihotra. But anyone care to get back to the subject? -- Well Graeme, just what is the subject? Apprehension at using the energy that flows out of your hands? As statue's of saints emulate? Or.That which flows around you as Sol is behind your back and you walk the fields - literally figuratively an eclipse? yes I am catholic as is an other or two on this list and yes we have and do use holy water and crystals ibuded (sp) with their own desires and the rates and concepts we ask them to whether found in St ... or my intuition is all for thee greater glory of Life livingness! as our wonderious companion SStorch puts it Get to Work! Thanks for the fun et al L*L Markess ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Resonant Info wrote: Roger, I can relate it to a mathematical law. Sometimes we take the equation that describes some aspect of an observation as the thing in itself. Does the equation or the relation (not the formula, as written of course) have any meaningful existence, any relevance, without its manifestation? It is an interesting question isn't it? I understand what you refer to below simply as potential energy. Is there any gravity, for example, without matter? You could say that without matter there is no gravity and you'd be right. But you could also say the that gravity exists even if there is no matter and that would be correct too. The first statement is about the actual observable world, the second is about the conceptual world, and that is the difference. Hey, I'm no mathematician - I have enough trouble as it is with 2 + 2 = 5 :) I think we humans have a propensity for making things as complicated as we can. Forget the maths - dare I say 'forget the science' also? Go to high ground where you can look down on a wide expanse of woodland or forest. Study it as a whole thing not as individual trees. I am willing to bet you will find (within the totality) arcs of trees which have a twist or a lean towards or away from you. If you have the instruments, draw it all up as a chart or diagram, taking account of the scale you are using and which way is north. Draw lines on the chart from the leaning trees in the direction of the lean. If the lines from the trees in any arc do not meet at a central point I would be very surprised. Let us assume they do meet at a central point. There you would find a natural energy vortex. With dowsing abilities you would be able to determine the direction, polarity and strength of the energies spiralling down into the earth, and calculate the surface distance affected by the vortex - that is, the furthest distance the energies are being drawn from. If you leave the vortex as it is, ultimately the passage of the energies towards it will twist the trees to destruction. Of course it might take the lifetime of the trees to accomplish this. It will also affect boulders - I can show you photos of boulders which have 'channels' cut into them which I believe to have been caused by the passage of energies over thousands of years let alone the lifetime of a tree. If changing the vortex will not harm anything, or if leaving it alone will create a life-threatening situation (as it might if a stone or wooden dwelling is in the line of energies) then (depending on the type of vortex) people who have an ability to do so can reverse the direction of energy flow (making the energies spiral out instead of in), or stop the flow completely, or move the vortex somewhere else. In reality, these are little different to eliminating or moving whirlpools by changing the directional flow of water. It is simply the 'substance' which is different. Read James Lovelock's books on Gaia - our living planet. In at least one he makes reference to any free energy flow of a certain magnitude having the ability to create whirlpools (water) and eddies (winds). All I and my colleagues have done is expand the concept to the basis of those flows - that is, the energies which 'move' water or wind. Drive down any highway that has constant traffic and study the trees which line its sides - the Kings Highway from Canberra to the coast is an excellent example, particularly between Queanbeyan and Bungendore - the majority of these trees are twisted way beyond recovery, are grotesque in their appearance. The irony - and the saddest thing of all - is that eventually the local authority will come along and fell the trees, citing their 'disease' as the reason, will plant replacements which will gradually emulate their predecessors, and have to go through the whole performance again in a relatively short space of time. If you know the natural energy flows on your own place, you can exercise greater control of what will or will not grow, and where and when. Roger ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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So I very much support the wish that we who are experimenting with radionics can and will learn from out mistakes. The mistakes are manifold and the learning process is rather slow, though it does seem to be incremental. It is important that we honestly and publicly acknowledge and discuss these mistakes. While it may seem embarassing, it is a sign of egoic maturity when we publically acknowledge our mistakes. You might take a second look at any political figures who do this sort of thing, as it is as much needed as it is rare. Anyway, let us please not fall into such traps as labling radionic preps as not real or invalidating the primary making of preps as unnecessary. Either of these partisan views tends to create divisions. What we need instead is an open forum for sharing what we know--something we can rely upon our governments not to do from time to time and case to case. Regards, Hugh Dear Hugh Thanks for your calming sentiments - I have mostly tried to restrain myself from these kind of debates - radionics vs the other - I find it counterproductive in most cases (negative energy I reckon, or negative use of energy). Occasionally the temptation gets too great and I fall back in the hole again! Ah well - guess we learn a little each time. Hope you are enjoying your trip down under - the country sure is looking heaps better than the last time you were out. Cheers Lloyd Charles ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Hi Eric, This does not sound like someone who has been to spiritual school for 19 years. James Hedley - Original Message - From: Eric Myren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 8:30 AM Subject: Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics Hey Roger the Vortexes are all in your head and if you break the law of gravity you will wind up a babbling insane idiot which you are close to anyway On Sunday, July 20, 2003, at 03:25 PM, Roger Pye wrote: Eric Myren wrote: The one last thing I wish to say before I unsubscribe from this list is that the school of Spirit I went to as teenager and over the past 19yrs says DO NOT PLAY WITH PLANETARY ENERGIES BECAUSE YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING. PEACE ERIC Well, if we all went along with that notion, we would still be living in caves, beating each other over the head with the femurs of 'wild' animals, and dragging other tribe females off to expand the gene pool! One wonders if Eric has a Vortex in his back garden! roger ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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As an Astrologer of some 25years I suggest the only way to get to know the planetary energies is to get in there and PLAY with them as much as you can. GA BdMax distributors of ThermoMax -THE proven frost protectionwww.bdmax.co.nz - Original Message - From: Eric Myren To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 3:31 AM Subject: Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics The one last thing I wish to say before I unsubscribe from this list is that the school of Spirit I went to as teenager and over the past 19yrs says DO NOT PLAY WITH PLANETARY ENERGIES BECAUSE YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING.PEACEERICP.S. Llloyd if any of my words have bothered you maybe their is a reason and maybe you should look to the inside and find out what that reason is :-)On Sunday, July 20, 2003, at 07:22 AM, Lloyd Charles wrote: - Original Message -From: "Eric Myren" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 5:07 AMSubject: Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relicsHi EricIf you need to figure why some of us get peeved at the remarksdirected at radionics just take a look at the heading that this thread hasrun under . -- voodoo, holy cards, and third class relics -- hardly acomplimentary way to approach people who are doing their honest best to make" the benefits of the biodynamic preparations available as quickly aspossible to the largest possible areas of the entire earth, for the Earth'shealing." One thing I wanted to say about this is I have a problem with the wayRadionics has been portrayed on BDNOW! The almost religious fever thatpushes these things as being better than biodynamics is wrong.funny! from where I stand most of the religious fervour seems to be directedagainst the use of radionics and homeopathic remedies, by people rooted inthe traditional, - maybe we are all too sensitive? Yes Radionics has its place in theenergy system of the planet but is that instead of Biodynamics? NO! Itmust work in conjunction with it in a vastly different space. The pointI am trying to get across is that the two systems can work quite wellin conjunction with one another as long as both are being used.Dont see many of us actively promoting the idea that this is an either/orsituation, I certainly dont. James doesnt, nor Gil nor even Hugh Lovel ( ifyou pay attention to what he writes and says) find the biggest Vortex on your property or positively flowing dragon lineand blast your preps deeply into the ether."blast your preps" I find it incredible that anyone with the remotestunderstanding of radionics or field broadcasting could write this! .In shortand vulgar language - its a bloody insult - we use the field broadcaster toadminister the preps in a finely balanced and extremely subtle way, itsgentle and in most cases much more finely tuned than any use of the rawpreps.Yet you write this as if we are some uncouth person bashing nature overthe head with a shovel.I dont understand this attitude at all !___BDNow mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]You can unsubscribe or change your options at:http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___BDNow mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]You can unsubscribe or change your options at:http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Ye Ha, when you stir the mob on this list you get a bigger reaction than a hot potato under a horse's tail. I would like to comment on part of what has been alluded to in the previous posts, in particular the assumption that hard physical work is a requirement for humans. I have been involved with a large number of groups of people over the years and without doubt the hardest thing to get people to do is to think. Seeing as how, at least to my knowledge, humans are the only material manifestations that can think, than surely it is their role in the scheme of things to work hard at thinking. Hard physical work can be done by a number of different animals, but they can't think. Am I right or wrong? David C - Original Message - From: Roger Pye [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 21 July 2003 12:25 PM Subject: Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics Your emails now go into the JUNK folder where they belong. no further correspondence will be entered into. R Eric Myren wrote: The bird has shown its true feathers go snort some white gold and get stuffed you turkey! On Sunday, July 20, 2003, at 04:53 PM, Roger Pye wrote: Eric Myren wrote: Hey Roger the Vortexes are all in your head and if you break the law of gravity you will wind up a babbling insane idiot which you are close to anyway Considering we don't even know each other, you are pretty free with your insults, don't you think? Is that what they taught you at your 'School of Spirit', that if you couldn't come up with a logical argument against something, bile and insult would do in its place? Next time you see a whirlpool in a river or lake, are you going to say Hey Eric the whirlpools are all in your head, what you are seeing isn't energy in the form of water spiralling down, it's a mirage and you're just a bumbling idiot? Ditto a whirly-whirly or whatever you call a wind eddy swirling across the landscape like a mini tornado? Ditto a hurricane or tornado? They are all natural energy vortexes, but their format makes them visible either in themselves or in the manner they affect other natural phenomena such as clouds or water flows or even dust. So the only difference in the vortexes I trace (and, incidentally, so does the person you addressed as 'Sir I respect your opinions and I find your words to be thoughtful and full of insight') is that whilst they are invisible in themselves, being spirals of pure energy, they may be located by their usually destructive effects on surrounding objects such as trees, boulders, buildings, watercourses and the like. Roger ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow -- Roger Reiki and Seichim Master Energy Healing Dowsing Land Management Consultant Earthcare Environmental Solutions PO Box 2057 Queanbeyan NSW 2620 Australia Ph / Fax: +61 2 6255 3824 Mob: +61 410 469 541 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://earth-careonline.com ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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D S Chamberlain wrote: Ye Ha, when you stir the mob on this list you get a bigger reaction than a hot potato under a horse's tail. I would like to comment on part of what has been alluded to in the previous posts, in particular the assumption that hard physical work is a requirement for humans. I have been involved with a large number of groups of people over the years and without doubt the hardest thing to get people to do is to think. Seeing as how, at least to my knowledge, humans are the only material manifestations that can think, than surely it is their role in the scheme of things to work hard at thinking. Hard physical work can be done by a number of different animals, but they can't think. Am I right or wrong? David C No, David, I'm not going to get into this, I have enough problems getting people to take a simple concept like making the natural energy inherent in and around themselves work FOR them instead of reinventing the wheel on how many difficult ways they can find to make life work AGAINST them! Roger ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Ye Ha, when you stir the mob on this list you get a bigger reaction than a hot potato under a horse's tail. I would like to comment on part of what has been alluded to in the previous posts, in particular the assumption that hard physical work is a requirement for humans. I have been involved with a large number of groups of people over the years and without doubt the hardest thing to get people to do is to think. Seeing as how, at least to my knowledge, humans are the only material manifestations that can think, than surely it is their role in the scheme of things to work hard at thinking. Hard physical work can be done by a number of different animals, but they can't think. Am I right or wrong? David C David, I absolutely agree about the thinking. How could anybody disagree - its a motherhood question. But one of the things about work (= action) that I have found, is that it is difficult to maintain detachment when so engaged. What I mean is that doing gets you involved - especially working with other people. Maybe this is what is meant, rather than the hard physical work. But David, have you any thoughts on the original question I put under this subject heading that you could share? There have been many comments but a resounding lack of anything OT. -- Graeme Gerrard [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Hey, I'm no mathematician - I have enough trouble as it is with 2 + 2 = 5 :) Roger, your arithmetic skill is at least consistent with your thinking on other matters. I think we humans have a propensity for making things as complicated as we can. ...stuff about energies ...All I and my colleagues have done is expand the concept to the basis of those flows - that is, the energies which 'move' water or wind. that will be temperature and gravity? Pytrons indeed! -- Graeme Gerrard [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Resonant Info wrote: ...All I and my colleagues have done is expand the concept to the basis of those flows - that is, the energies which 'move' water or wind. that will be temperature and gravity? Not necessarily Pytrons indeed! Ah, methinks we have here a true exponent of Hot Air Dynamics - if you can't counter something cleverly, hit it with ridicule. You should be in the House of Reps :) Roger ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Resonant Info wrote: ...All I and my colleagues have done is expand the concept to the basis of those flows - that is, the energies which 'move' water or wind. that will be temperature and gravity? Not necessarily Um..please expand. Pytrons indeed! Ah, methinks we have here a true exponent of Hot Air Dynamics - if you can't counter something cleverly, hit it with ridicule. You should be in the House of Reps :) I wasn't trying to counter anything Roger and I will leave the cleverness to you. Can U tell us the etymology of Pytrons? -- Graeme Gerrard [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Resonant Info wrote: Resonant Info wrote: ...All I and my colleagues have done is expand the concept to the basis of those flows - that is, the energies which 'move' water or wind. that will be temperature and gravity? Not necessarily Um..please expand. Pytrons indeed! Ah, methinks we have here a true exponent of Hot Air Dynamics - if you can't counter something cleverly, hit it with ridicule. You should be in the House of Reps :) I wasn't trying to counter anything Roger and I will leave the cleverness to you. Can U tell us the etymology of Pytrons? Sorry, I take that crack back :( I don't know that etymology is the right word. It's just that James and I were snookered when it came to making comparisons of measurements made separately by us using pendulums. There is no official common scale (excepting one in England which for some strange reason requires participants to obtain a 100 gram cube of clear quartz and charge (energise) it to a certain rate. The cube would be very costly.) So we worked out a way of doing it a lot simpler than that. We could have called the process 'hedleytronics' but 'pytronics' is shorter and seems to roll off the tongue easier. That's all. As an example. If using a pendulum I measured my energy first thing in the morning, it would come out in the region of 945 units on my personal scale. James' personal scale rates it at 9.45. (We checked this variation over a range of items and it held true.) The pytronic standard we arrived at divided my scale by 10 and multiplied James' scale by ten, giving us a common measurement of 94.5. The item we use for the standard is a CD permanently energised to 1,000 pytrons. My personal scale is ten times that, James' that divided by ten. It does work for other people too. Roger ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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From: D S Chamberlain Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics I would like to comment on part of what has been alluded to in the previous posts, in particular the assumption that hard physical work is a requirement for humans. I have been involved with a large number of groups of people over the years and without doubt the hardest thing to get people to do is to think. Seeing as how, at least to my knowledge, humans are the only material manifestations that can think, than surely it is their role in the scheme of things to work hard at thinking. Hard physical work can be done by a number of different animals, but they can't think. Am I right or wrong? David C I believe you're right David - sure we need a degree of pyhsical work to anchor us (and to keep fit) but the blind, grinding toil that some on the list would like some others to go through so that their moral high ground be maintained, and stirred preps be the only way of BD, well I dont believe that is necessary or even beneficial. We have YET to hear negatively from a person who has used radionics or field broadcasters in a thinking way, almost all of the negative comment seems to come from those that have little or no working knowledge in this field. They come ranting out in print trying to convince everybody else that there is some awful moral deficiency or laziness in anybody that would do radionics or use homeopathic preps, that these are not 'real', that because there is a 'machine' involved there are 'bad' energies (forget about the tractors and other gear involved in stir and spray),.Against all this we have Steiners active encouragement of the work of Koliskos studying homeopathic use of the preps and his urging to Pfeiffer to get it out there now, as much and as quick as we can, and worry about the experiments later. Most of the radionics people are quite happy to agree that they do other things as well, many do stir and spray preps, composting, and mineral soil balancing in some form. All of these things, (including physically spraying stirred preps) are a part of the whole balanced picture, not the whole deal on their own. Its time for some balance in this argument I think ! Cheers Lloyd Charles ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Title: Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics Hum a little spam may fit L*L Markess Subject: Will Rogers Will Rogers, died in a plane crash with Wylie Post -(as American Sages are want to do) in 1935. Enjoy the following quotes 1. Never slap a man who's chewing tobacco. 2. Never kick a cow chip on a hot day. 3. There are 2 theories to arguing with a woman...neither works. 4. Never miss a good chance to shut up. 5. Always drink upstream from the herd. 6. If you find yourself in a hole, stop digging. 7. The quickest way to double your money is to fold it and put it back in your pocket. 8. There are three kinds of men The ones that learn by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence. 9. Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment. 10. If you're riding' ahead of the herd, take a look back every now and then to make sure it's still there. 11. Lettin' the cat outta the bag is a whole lot easier'n puttin' it back. 12. AND FINALLY: After eating an entire bull, a mountain lion felt so good he started roaring. He kept it up until a hunter came along and shot him... The moral When you're full of bull, keep your mouth shut. ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Title: Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics Graeme, you make quote of: Two things that Steiner wrote that I find relevant to this statement - No matter without spirit no spirit without matter I can't locate the original source of this quote but I believe Steiner was quoting an old saying. And what was the original German when you find it. And secondly from the Ag Course - ...always stay in the realm of the Living, he was referring to our thinking in regard to Agriculture . I wonder what the Salamanders, Undines, Sylphs and Earthlings think of this? Spray the Three Kings recently? Stirin' on. L*L Markess To me that means actual organic, incarnate, manifest, substance. Not pure spirit or pure energy. Not in the dead mineral world. Not in ethers, as such, but in the world where there are actual living things and sh*t and dirt. That is where we must live on Earth and tread a middle road of above and below, a road of ambiguity and uncertainty. This is not to try to ignore the spirit or the energy (or mathematical laws either) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Turtle Bend wrote: Graeme, you make quote of: Two things that Steiner wrote that I find relevant to this statement - No matter without spirit no spirit without matter I can't locate the original source of this quote but I believe Steiner was quoting an old saying. Funny, I thought I gave you a few clues to this, Markess, namely It is the motto of the Rudolph Steiner Foundation, San Francisco, founded in 1983. Also allegedly from the Hindu Scriptures, refer http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/riddle/riddle1.htm#onelife and how to find the other 38 or so references And what was the original German when you find it. And secondly from the Ag Course - ...always stay in the realm of the Living, he was referring to our thinking in regard to Agriculture . I wonder what the Salamanders, Undines, Sylphs and Earthlings think of this? Spray the Three Kings recently? Stirin' on. L*L Markess roger ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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D S Chamberlain wrote: I see no difference between the energies I use with Reiki and with BD or radionics, just the tools I use with them are different. And that is something I am forever trying to get across - whether it is the same tree with different names, or the same energies with different names, it is still the same something - only the tools vary. I can and do alleviate distress in living people and animals using Reiki and other natural energy healing. I can and do alleviate distress in land, soils, plants and the spirits of former living people using the same healing energies. The tools I use include mind, intent, crystals, divining rods, pendulums - and healing energy and the spiritual realm. roger ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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- Original Message - From: Eric Myren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 5:07 AM Subject: Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics Hi Eric If you need to figure why some of us get peeved at the remarks directed at radionics just take a look at the heading that this thread has run under . -- voodoo, holy cards, and third class relics -- hardly a complimentary way to approach people who are doing their honest best to make the benefits of the biodynamic preparations available as quickly as possible to the largest possible areas of the entire earth, for the Earth's healing. One thing I wanted to say about this is I have a problem with the way Radionics has been portrayed on BDNOW! The almost religious fever that pushes these things as being better than biodynamics is wrong. funny! from where I stand most of the religious fervour seems to be directed against the use of radionics and homeopathic remedies, by people rooted in the traditional, - maybe we are all too sensitive? Yes Radionics has its place in the energy system of the planet but is that instead of Biodynamics? NO! It must work in conjunction with it in a vastly different space. The point I am trying to get across is that the two systems can work quite well in conjunction with one another as long as both are being used. Dont see many of us actively promoting the idea that this is an either/or situation, I certainly dont. James doesnt, nor Gil nor even Hugh Lovel ( if you pay attention to what he writes and says) find the biggest Vortex on your property or positively flowing dragon line and blast your preps deeply into the ether. blast your preps I find it incredible that anyone with the remotest understanding of radionics or field broadcasting could write this! .In short and vulgar language - its a bloody insult - we use the field broadcaster to administer the preps in a finely balanced and extremely subtle way, its gentle and in most cases much more finely tuned than any use of the raw preps. Yet you write this as if we are some uncouth person bashing nature over the head with a shovel. I dont understand this attitude at all ! ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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The one last thing I wish to say before I unsubscribe from this list is that the school of Spirit I went to as teenager and over the past 19yrs says DO NOT PLAY WITH PLANETARY ENERGIES BECAUSE YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING. PEACE ERIC P.S. Llloyd if any of my words have bothered you maybe their is a reason and maybe you should look to the inside and find out what that reason is :-) On Sunday, July 20, 2003, at 07:22 AM, Lloyd Charles wrote: - Original Message - From: Eric Myren [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 5:07 AM Subject: Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics Hi Eric If you need to figure why some of us get peeved at the remarks directed at radionics just take a look at the heading that this thread has run under . -- voodoo, holy cards, and third class relics -- hardly a complimentary way to approach people who are doing their honest best to make the benefits of the biodynamic preparations available as quickly as possible to the largest possible areas of the entire earth, for the Earth's healing. One thing I wanted to say about this is I have a problem with the way Radionics has been portrayed on BDNOW! The almost religious fever that pushes these things as being better than biodynamics is wrong. funny! from where I stand most of the religious fervour seems to be directed against the use of radionics and homeopathic remedies, by people rooted in the traditional, - maybe we are all too sensitive? Yes Radionics has its place in the energy system of the planet but is that instead of Biodynamics? NO! It must work in conjunction with it in a vastly different space. The point I am trying to get across is that the two systems can work quite well in conjunction with one another as long as both are being used. Dont see many of us actively promoting the idea that this is an either/or situation, I certainly dont. James doesnt, nor Gil nor even Hugh Lovel ( if you pay attention to what he writes and says) find the biggest Vortex on your property or positively flowing dragon line and blast your preps deeply into the ether. blast your preps I find it incredible that anyone with the remotest understanding of radionics or field broadcasting could write this! .In short and vulgar language - its a bloody insult - we use the field broadcaster to administer the preps in a finely balanced and extremely subtle way, its gentle and in most cases much more finely tuned than any use of the raw preps. Yet you write this as if we are some uncouth person bashing nature over the head with a shovel. I dont understand this attitude at all ! ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Sir I respect your opinions and I find your words to be thoughtful and full of insight I hope you can be a voice of reason for these people. I only pray that the practioners of these energies come to realize some of the mistakes I see that they are making and change the focus of their attention. The only Radionics that they need to practice is that of their Corpus Callosum. PEACE ERIC On Saturday, July 19, 2003, at 11:51 PM, James Hedley wrote: Dear Eric, Greetings from the land of the Wizards of Oz. Which posts do you think push Radionics with an almost religious fervour. As far as I can see most radionic practitioners on this list bend over backwards to try and give both methods equal time. I dont see that anyone on BDnow is trying to take any persons cherished beliefs from them. I personally have always advocated the use of both methods(radionics and BD) As for Radionics not being in the mindset of RS philosophy how would you react to a most fortunate find of a lecture of RS in Holland, in 1918 where he discussed what would happen if we did not take up Sympathetic Vibratory Physics ( as promoted by Keely, Russel and Tesla), whose work provided the theoretical base for the technology which has become known as Radionics and Psychotronics. which would move mankind into a new type of spirituality and save a lot of work. At the present time I only have an abstract of the lecture translated from the Dutch but will try to get the full text. One small part that is pertinent Now for Mankind to reach its spiritual goal it is necessary that these separate occult faculties will not separate humanity in three opposing groups. Because for instance if the West-people only develop their material-mechanical occultism and keep it for themselves, even use it to oppress the other peoples, and hold them in their (economical) power, the West will become soulless, bound to the material side of life on this planet. This was quoted on the problems which RS saw would occur if SPV was not allowed to evolve. Interesting material. Maybe we also need to look at what is likely to happen to mankind if the spiritual impulses developing in other areas of the globe are not allowed to develop. Maybe some of you out there will be able to tell me. James Hedley - Original Message - From: Eric Myren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 5:07 AM Subject: Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics One thing I wanted to say about this is I have a problem with the way Radionics has been portrayed on BDNOW! The almost religious fever that pushes these things as being better than biodynamics is wrong. Radionics deals with non living Earthly forces and Biodynamics deals with living energies (soil bacteria, moon related water levels in the plants ect...) as well as a balancing out of the universal forces contained in the cow horns. Now it may be that the practitioners of Radionics and Cosmic Pipes are healing something very great in 'The Spirit of Gaia' and that would be nearly impossible to argue with! Yes Radionics has its place in the energy system of the planet but is that instead of Biodynamics? NO! It must work in conjunction with it in a vastly different space. The point I am trying to get across is that the two systems can work quite well in conjunction with one another as long as both are being used. As has been stated before and this is quite agreeable that with Radionics, if you want to cover a lot of ground, find the biggest Vortex on your property or positively flowing dragon line and blast your preps deeply into the ether. But if you are not dealing with the living forces appropriately you are not going to get very far. Humans can not live on manna from heaven alone. Very simply put you have to deal properly with the living forces of a farm organism as well as the higher spiritual ones. To not concentrate the focus of your attention on a living life and turn your head completely towards the spiritual is to mearly live in a dualistic world which time and again has proven itself not workwe have to take care of both in a monism of mind! We are after all just that little bit between Heaven and Earth! PEACE ERIC ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Eric Myren wrote: The one last thing I wish to say before I unsubscribe from this list is that the school of Spirit I went to as teenager and over the past 19yrs says DO NOT PLAY WITH PLANETARY ENERGIES BECAUSE YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING. PEACE ERIC Well, if we all went along with that notion, we would still be living in caves, beating each other over the head with the femurs of 'wild' animals, and dragging other tribe females off to expand the gene pool! One wonders if Eric has a Vortex in his back garden! roger ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Hey Roger the Vortexes are all in your head and if you break the law of gravity you will wind up a babbling insane idiot which you are close to anyway On Sunday, July 20, 2003, at 03:25 PM, Roger Pye wrote: Eric Myren wrote: The one last thing I wish to say before I unsubscribe from this list is that the school of Spirit I went to as teenager and over the past 19yrs says DO NOT PLAY WITH PLANETARY ENERGIES BECAUSE YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING. PEACE ERIC Well, if we all went along with that notion, we would still be living in caves, beating each other over the head with the femurs of 'wild' animals, and dragging other tribe females off to expand the gene pool! One wonders if Eric has a Vortex in his back garden! roger ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Dear Eric, Lloyd, Graeme, et. al., I consider the Steiner reference to sympathetic vibratory physics as very interesting, especially in the light of evidence that our governments, particularly the US government, have top secret research projects going on along the same lines as radionic and psychotronic research. They heve the budgets, the manpower and the chain of command to do this research and to keep it top secret. They seem to be doing the very things Steiner feared. It is we who are sharing what we know and discover with the world, and countering the dangerous trend of keeping it all secret for narrow, selfish purposes. That is one thing to think about. Another is the fact that we all seem prone to making what we might view in hindsight as mistakes. Hopefully we will all enjoy the fruits of learning from these mistakes, and not just those experimenting with radionics--though working with radionics has brought to light several serious errors in past biodynamic practice, such as frequent and one-sided use of 500 without 501 and without horn clay or some other such unifying, balancing remedy. So I very much support the wish that we who are experimenting with radionics can and will learn from out mistakes. The mistakes are manifold and the learning process is rather slow, though it does seem to be incremental. It is important that we honestly and publicly acknowledge and discuss these mistakes. While it may seem embarassing, it is a sign of egoic maturity when we publically acknowledge our mistakes. You might take a second look at any political figures who do this sort of thing, as it is as much needed as it is rare. Anyway, let us please not fall into such traps as labling radionic preps as not real or invalidating the primary making of preps as unnecessary. Either of these partisan views tends to create divisions. What we need instead is an open forum for sharing what we know--something we can rely upon our governments not to do from time to time and case to case. Regards, Hugh BdMax distributors of ThermoMax -THE proven frost protection www.bdmax.co.nz - Original Message - From: Eric Myren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 3:32 AM Subject: Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics Sir I respect your opinions and I find your words to be thoughtful and full of insight I hope you can be a voice of reason for these people. I only pray that the practioners of these energies come to realize some of the mistakes I see that they are making and change the focus of their attention. The only Radionics that they need to practice is that of their Corpus Callosum. PEACE ERIC On Saturday, July 19, 2003, at 11:51 PM, James Hedley wrote: Dear Eric, Greetings from the land of the Wizards of Oz. Which posts do you think push Radionics with an almost religious fervour. As far as I can see most radionic practitioners on this list bend over backwards to try and give both methods equal time. I dont see that anyone on BDnow is trying to take any persons cherished beliefs from them. I personally have always advocated the use of both methods(radionics and BD) As for Radionics not being in the mindset of RS philosophy how would you react to a most fortunate find of a lecture of RS in Holland, in 1918 where he discussed what would happen if we did not take up Sympathetic Vibratory Physics ( as promoted by Keely, Russel and Tesla), whose work provided the theoretical base for the technology which has become known as Radionics and Psychotronics. which would move mankind into a new type of spirituality and save a lot of work. At the present time I only have an abstract of the lecture translated from the Dutch but will try to get the full text. One small part that is pertinent Now for Mankind to reach its spiritual goal it is necessary that these separate occult faculties will not separate humanity in three opposing groups. Because for instance if the West-people only develop their material-mechanical occultism and keep it for themselves, even use it to oppress the other peoples, and hold them in their (economical) power, the West will become soulless, bound to the material side of life on this planet. This was quoted on the problems which RS saw would occur if SPV was not allowed to evolve. Interesting material. Maybe we also need to look at what is likely to happen to mankind if the spiritual impulses developing in other areas of the globe are not allowed to develop. Maybe some of you out there will be able to tell me. James Hedley - Original Message - From: Eric Myren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 5:07 AM Subject: Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics One thing I wanted to say about this is I have a problem with the way Radionics has been
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- Original Message - From: Eric Myren To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 1:31 AM Subject: Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics The one last thing I wish to say before I unsubscribe from this list is that the school of Spirit I went to as teenager and over the past 19yrs says DO NOT PLAY WITH PLANETARY ENERGIES BECAUSE YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING.PEACEERICP.S. Llloyd if any of my words have bothered you maybe their is a reason and maybe you should look to the inside and find out what that reason is :-)Please Eric - read the posts carefully - I write strongly in defence of something that I believe passionately in, have used with careand good intent, and used for the good af all concerned. I put forward a strong defence becausewhat I do has been attacked equally strongly. If I have said some specific thing that offends you I am happy to apologise for that (need to know what it is though). But if you think to make me feel bad by resigning from the list then , no sir, thats a piece of baggage I will not carry, thats your decision alone. I wish you well Lloyd Charles ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Eric Myren wrote: Hey Roger the Vortexes are all in your head and if you break the law of gravity you will wind up a babbling insane idiot which you are close to anyway Considering we don't even know each other, you are pretty free with your insults, don't you think? Is that what they taught you at your 'School of Spirit', that if you couldn't come up with a logical argument against something, bile and insult would do in its place? Next time you see a whirlpool in a river or lake, are you going to say Hey Eric the whirlpools are all in your head, what you are seeing isn't energy in the form of water spiralling down, it's a mirage and you're just a bumbling idiot? Ditto a whirly-whirly or whatever you call a wind eddy swirling across the landscape like a mini tornado? Ditto a hurricane or tornado? They are all natural energy vortexes, but their format makes them visible either in themselves or in the manner they affect other natural phenomena such as clouds or water flows or even dust. So the only difference in the vortexes I trace (and, incidentally, so does the person you addressed as 'Sir I respect your opinions and I find your words to be thoughtful and full of insight') is that whilst they are invisible in themselves, being spirals of pure energy, they may be located by their usually destructive effects on surrounding objects such as trees, boulders, buildings, watercourses and the like. Roger ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Radiaonics and the law of gravity are once again another example of the microcosm macrocosm relationship. If you look directly at the corpus callosum in the human brain their is direct relationships between the vibratory functions of various Radionic practices and the flow of energy in the corpus callosum from the right hemisphere to the left. By concentrating on on the flow you can access Astral levels, Etheric thought, Angelic levels, or any of the said stated levels by Rudolf Stiener that man is a ten fold being. This is the path of ultimate Discipline through which we must remove all fear from the soul or minds of man. The only way to remove this fear is with the Ultimate discipline of Compassion. The other emotions play a big part too :-) They 'The US Air Force' will never find a use for this. Except maybe when it comes to increasing intelligence of the individual or decreasing it for that matter. The only way to travel through space is in our own minds! PEACE ERIC On Sunday, July 20, 2003, at 04:28 PM, Garuda wrote: Dear Eric, Lloyd, Graeme, et. al., I consider the Steiner reference to sympathetic vibratory physics as very interesting, especially in the light of evidence that our governments, particularly the US government, have top secret research projects going on along the same lines as radionic and psychotronic research. They heve the budgets, the manpower and the chain of command to do this research and to keep it top secret. They seem to be doing the very things Steiner feared. It is we who are sharing what we know and discover with the world, and countering the dangerous trend of keeping it all secret for narrow, selfish purposes. That is one thing to think about. Another is the fact that we all seem prone to making what we might view in hindsight as mistakes. Hopefully we will all enjoy the fruits of learning from these mistakes, and not just those experimenting with radionics--though working with radionics has brought to light several serious errors in past biodynamic practice, such as frequent and one-sided use of 500 without 501 and without horn clay or some other such unifying, balancing remedy. So I very much support the wish that we who are experimenting with radionics can and will learn from our mistakes. The mistakes are manifold and the learning process is rather slow, though it does seem to be incremental. It is important that we honestly and publicly acknowledge and discuss these mistakes. While it may seem embarrassing, it is a sign of egoic maturity when we publicly acknowledge our mistakes. You might take a second look at any political figures who do this sort of thing, as it is as much needed as it is rare. Anyway, let us please not fall into such traps as labeling radionic preps as not real or invalidating the primary making of preps as unnecessary. Either of these partisan views tends to create divisions. What we need instead is an open forum for sharing what we know--something we can rely upon our governments not to do from time to time and case to case. Regards, Hugh BdMax distributors of ThermoMax -THE proven frost protection www.bdmax.co.nz - Original Message - From: Eric Myren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 3:32 AM Subject: Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics Sir I respect your opinions and I find your words to be thoughtful and full of insight I hope you can be a voice of reason for these people. I only pray that the practitioners of these energies come to realize some of the mistakes I see that they are making and change the focus of their attention. The only Radionics that they need to practice is that of their Corpus Callosum. PEACE ERIC On Saturday, July 19, 2003, at 11:51 PM, James Hedley wrote: Dear Eric, Greetings from the land of the Wizards of Oz. Which posts do you think push Radionics with an almost religious fervour. As far as I can see most radionic practitioners on this list bend over backwards to try and give both methods equal time. I dont see that anyone on BDnow is trying to take any persons cherished beliefs from them. I personally have always advocated the use of both methods(radionics and BD) As for Radionics not being in the mindset of RS philosophy how would you react to a most fortunate find of a lecture of RS in Holland, in 1918 where he discussed what would happen if we did not take up Sympathetic Vibratory Physics ( as promoted by Keely, Russel and Tesla), whose work provided the theoretical base for the technology which has become known as Radionics and Psychotronics. which would move mankind into a new type of spirituality and save a lot of work. At the present time I only have an abstract of the lecture translated from the Dutch but will try to get the full text. One small part that is pertinent Now for Mankind to reach its spiritual goal it is necessary that these separate
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The bird has shown its true feathers go snort some white gold and get stuffed you turkey! On Sunday, July 20, 2003, at 04:53 PM, Roger Pye wrote: Eric Myren wrote: Hey Roger the Vortexes are all in your head and if you break the law of gravity you will wind up a babbling insane idiot which you are close to anyway Considering we don't even know each other, you are pretty free with your insults, don't you think? Is that what they taught you at your 'School of Spirit', that if you couldn't come up with a logical argument against something, bile and insult would do in its place? Next time you see a whirlpool in a river or lake, are you going to say Hey Eric the whirlpools are all in your head, what you are seeing isn't energy in the form of water spiralling down, it's a mirage and you're just a bumbling idiot? Ditto a whirly-whirly or whatever you call a wind eddy swirling across the landscape like a mini tornado? Ditto a hurricane or tornado? They are all natural energy vortexes, but their format makes them visible either in themselves or in the manner they affect other natural phenomena such as clouds or water flows or even dust. So the only difference in the vortexes I trace (and, incidentally, so does the person you addressed as 'Sir I respect your opinions and I find your words to be thoughtful and full of insight') is that whilst they are invisible in themselves, being spirals of pure energy, they may be located by their usually destructive effects on surrounding objects such as trees, boulders, buildings, watercourses and the like. Roger ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Your emails now go into the JUNK folder where they belong. no further correspondence will be entered into. R Eric Myren wrote: The bird has shown its true feathers go snort some white gold and get stuffed you turkey! On Sunday, July 20, 2003, at 04:53 PM, Roger Pye wrote: Eric Myren wrote: Hey Roger the Vortexes are all in your head and if you break the law of gravity you will wind up a babbling insane idiot which you are close to anyway Considering we don't even know each other, you are pretty free with your insults, don't you think? Is that what they taught you at your 'School of Spirit', that if you couldn't come up with a logical argument against something, bile and insult would do in its place? Next time you see a whirlpool in a river or lake, are you going to say Hey Eric the whirlpools are all in your head, what you are seeing isn't energy in the form of water spiralling down, it's a mirage and you're just a bumbling idiot? Ditto a whirly-whirly or whatever you call a wind eddy swirling across the landscape like a mini tornado? Ditto a hurricane or tornado? They are all natural energy vortexes, but their format makes them visible either in themselves or in the manner they affect other natural phenomena such as clouds or water flows or even dust. So the only difference in the vortexes I trace (and, incidentally, so does the person you addressed as 'Sir I respect your opinions and I find your words to be thoughtful and full of insight') is that whilst they are invisible in themselves, being spirals of pure energy, they may be located by their usually destructive effects on surrounding objects such as trees, boulders, buildings, watercourses and the like. Roger ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow -- Roger Reiki and Seichim Master Energy Healing Dowsing Land Management Consultant Earthcare Environmental Solutions PO Box 2057 Queanbeyan NSW 2620 Australia Ph / Fax: +61 2 6255 3824 Mob: +61 410 469 541 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://earth-careonline.com ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Roger wrote: .. is that whilst they are invisible in themselves, being spirals of pure energy, they may be located by their usually destructive effects ... Two things that Steiner wrote that I find relevant to this statement - No matter without spirit no spirit without matter I can't locate the original source of this quote but I believe Steiner was quoting an old saying. And secondly from the Ag Course - ...always stay in the realm of the Living, he was referring to our thinking in regard to Agriculture . To me that means actual organic, incarnate, manifest, substance. Not pure spirit or pure energy. Not in the dead mineral world. Not in ethers, as such, but in the world where there are actual living things and sh*t and dirt. That is where we must live on Earth and tread a middle road of above and below, a road of ambiguity and uncertainty. This is not to try to ignore the spirit or the energy (or mathematical laws either) -- Graeme Gerrard [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Resonant Info wrote: Roger wrote: .. is that whilst they are invisible in themselves, being spirals of pure energy, they may be located by their usually destructive effects ... Two things that Steiner wrote that I find relevant to this statement - No matter without spirit no spirit without matter I can't locate the original source of this quote but I believe Steiner was quoting an old saying. And secondly from the Ag Course - ...always stay in the realm of the Living, he was referring to our thinking in regard to Agriculture . To me that means actual organic, incarnate, manifest, substance. Not pure spirit or pure energy. Not in the dead mineral world. Not in ethers, as such, but in the world where there are actual living things and sh*t and dirt. That is where we must live on Earth and tread a middle road of above and below, a road of ambiguity and uncertainty. This is not to try to ignore the spirit or the energy (or mathematical laws either) 'Pure' in the sense of not being made visible by material inherent in the flow or around it. Would you accept 'energy invisible to the naked eye'? -- Roger ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Resonant Info wrote: Roger wrote: .. is that whilst they are invisible in themselves, being spirals of pure energy, they may be located by their usually destructive effects ... Two things that Steiner wrote that I find relevant to this statement - No matter without spirit no spirit without matter I can't locate the original source of this quote but I believe Steiner was quoting an old saying. And secondly from the Ag Course - ...always stay in the realm of the Living, he was referring to our thinking in regard to Agriculture . To me that means actual organic, incarnate, manifest, substance. Not pure spirit or pure energy. Not in the dead mineral world. Not in ethers, as such, but in the world where there are actual living things and sh*t and dirt. That is where we must live on Earth and tread a middle road of above and below, a road of ambiguity and uncertainty. This is not to try to ignore the spirit or the energy (or mathematical laws either) There is no matter without spirit and there is no spirit without matter. It is the motto of the Rudolph Steiner Foundation, San Francisco, founded in 1983. Also allegedly from the Hindu Scriptures, refer http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/riddle/riddle1.htm#onelife DUALITY OF SPIRIT AND MATTER Also further down the page under INVOLUTION AND EVOLUTION: When the One Life manifests a portion of itself as a visible Universe, it does so by alternately evolving its two aspects of Matter and Spirit. In the beginning of a cycle of manifestation, Matter is evolved, as there must be a sub-stratum or foundation provided for the higher evolution that is to follow. This is exemplified in the early stages of a planet's existence when Matter dominates the scene and no higher life is discernible. Yet the Ancient Teaching tells us that even in the rock there exists a form of life -- of a very low order, not life as we ordinarily think of it, but still life of a kind. In this case Matter dominates and Spirit is almost completely dormant or involved. This is Evolution of Matter and Involution of Spirit. Think about that '. . even in the rock there exists a form of life . . of a very low order . .' Also refer this page which is about harmonics. http://members.tripod.com/~junojuno2/harmon9.htm You also used the quote on this list back in April :) To find another 38 references type no Spirit without into google.com cheers roger ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Title: Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relic Hi Markess I've emailed Brian, asking if it is okay. When he answers I'll let u know - maybe he even lurks here??? Well Graeme, can you get permission of either Cheryl or Brian and reprint it here? I believe both are on BDNow. Love to see it. The ease Q is most curious - NO pain no gain? stiquek? L*L Markess From: Resonant Info [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 21:30:46 +1000 To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics Hi All, I just read an interesting article in the Winter issue of the Newsleaf - the BACA journal, by Brian Keats about radionics. Many will know him as the author of the Antipodean Astro calendar. He puts forward some of the points I and others have made about radionics and BD, but much more eloquently, and more as well. It also has a response from Hugh Lovell. Cheryl Kemp (editor) may allow the text to be reproduced here for those who don't receive Newsleaf. Brian is not directly arguing against radionics as such but is asking questions practitioners need to ask. (They may have asked themselves these questions and even have satisfactory answers. But they haven't been presented here on BDNow as far as I can tell) Questions like How is self-deception avoided? What is the price to be paid for the ease that it offers? Moral questions, labelling questions and more. Worthy a read if you are following this thread. -- Graeme Gerrard [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow -- Graeme Gerrard [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Words, words, words - language, language, language Those 'diverse methodologies' are all aspects of the same thing - an indefinable thing we call 'natural energy'. Add it to the soil and it grows stuff. Take it away from plants and they stop growing. Applying 'cosmic' or 'earth' forces to it in certain solid states produces miracles. Changing its frequency converts wood into coal, lead into gold, sunlight into chairs and tables. Reiki diverts or channels it, homeopathy and BD uses its imprint, naturopathy uses it in herbal form, radionics relies on its frequencies. Let your mind wander a bit, Gil, don't let convention hold you back. If you were lying out in a mesa with a broken leg, suffering in the burning sun, and a total stranger came along, produced an instrument you'd never seen before and offered to help you, would you refuse on the grounds that you knew nothing about the person or device? I suggest you would be grateful for any help. We have been trying to control invasive weeds and the like for almost a hundred years with toxic chemicals and all we have proved is they are no solution. Don't you think it's past time we tried a different approach? Like changing the plants' energy flows, patterns and requirements, for instance? That is how we enliven soils and plants with BD preps - don't you think it might work the other way? Roger Gil Robertson wrote: Roger, I enjoy your posts and much of the time, I agree with what you have to say in general terms and with the restraints of the imperfect language which we use. But I can't let you bundle so many diverse methodologies into one basket. If one reduces life, the universe and everything to a one liner and state All is energy, one could be forgiven for the above act, but if we give quite different things specific names, then one should also recognize that while there are some similarities, there are also differences. ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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. We have been trying to control invasive weeds and the like for almost a hundred years with toxic chemicals and all we have proved is they are no solution. Don't you think it's past time we tried a different approach? Like changing the plants' energy flows, patterns and requirements, for instance? That is how we enliven soils and plants with BD preps - don't you think it might work the other way? Roger Is there anywhere that toxic substances really help long term. Drugs kill or maim as many people as they save. Look at rabbits in our countries and your Brushtailed Possum in N.Z. Regards, Peter. ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Hi All, I just read an interesting article in the Winter issue of the Newsleaf - the BACA journal, by Brian Keats about radionics. Many will know him as the author of the Antipodean Astro calendar. He puts forward some of the points I and others have made about radionics and BD, but much more eloquently, and more as well. It also has a response from Hugh Lovell. Cheryl Kemp (editor) may allow the text to be reproduced here for those who don't receive Newsleaf. Brian is not directly arguing against radionics as such but is asking questions practitioners need to ask. (They may have asked themselves these questions and even have satisfactory answers. But they haven't been presented here on BDNow as far as I can tell) Questions like How is self-deception avoided? What is the price to be paid for the ease that it offers? Moral questions, labelling questions and more. Worthy a read if you are following this thread. -- Graeme Gerrard [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Yes please can we have a copy of this article. GA BdMax distributors of ThermoMax -THE proven frost protection www.bdmax.co.nz - Original Message - From: Resonant Info [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 11:30 PM Subject: Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics Hi All, I just read an interesting article in the Winter issue of the Newsleaf - the BACA journal, by Brian Keats about radionics. Many will know him as the author of the Antipodean Astro calendar. He puts forward some of the points I and others have made about radionics and BD, but much more eloquently, and more as well. It also has a response from Hugh Lovell. Cheryl Kemp (editor) may allow the text to be reproduced here for those who don't receive Newsleaf. Brian is not directly arguing against radionics as such but is asking questions practitioners need to ask. (They may have asked themselves these questions and even have satisfactory answers. But they haven't been presented here on BDNow as far as I can tell) Questions like How is self-deception avoided? What is the price to be paid for the ease that it offers? Moral questions, labelling questions and more. Worthy a read if you are following this thread. -- Graeme Gerrard [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Title: Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics Well Graeme, can you get permission of either Cheryl or Brian and reprint it here? I believe both are on BDNow. Love to see it. The ease Q is most curious - NO pain no gain? stiquek? L*L Markess From: Resonant Info [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 21:30:46 +1000 To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics Hi All, I just read an interesting article in the Winter issue of the Newsleaf - the BACA journal, by Brian Keats about radionics. Many will know him as the author of the Antipodean Astro calendar. He puts forward some of the points I and others have made about radionics and BD, but much more eloquently, and more as well. It also has a response from Hugh Lovell. Cheryl Kemp (editor) may allow the text to be reproduced here for those who don't receive Newsleaf. Brian is not directly arguing against radionics as such but is asking questions practitioners need to ask. (They may have asked themselves these questions and even have satisfactory answers. But they haven't been presented here on BDNow as far as I can tell) Questions like How is self-deception avoided? What is the price to be paid for the ease that it offers? Moral questions, labelling questions and more. Worthy a read if you are following this thread. -- Graeme Gerrard [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Turtle Bend wrote: Gil, with Huge respect for your education, dedication and clarity of writing. i think your codification is illusionary. There is ever widening evidence it is a user friendly universe and reality is what choices you make. The structure and usage is yours for the deciding. Every nuance of culture (whether BD, catholicism, eastern etc.) selects the syntax that creates this reality. All we have to do is select and get to work with a passion. The rest is chopping wood and caring water. In love Light Markess Dear Markess For a small number of highly privileged, among the elite of a small number of countries, that may be so. I regard myself to be among that number and am eternally grateful, as I have freedom of movement, freedom of association, freedom of expression, adequate food and shelter and the right to live my life as I may. But within my own Country, which is the most privileged in many ways, we have many who do not have those privileges, choices and protections. Our current State Government, in cost cutting move took away the Aboriginal Advocate person from our regional Prison System. These people are intended to work with Aboriginal inmates, who may not have functional English and to see that the prison authorities are properly informed of any special needs and also to see that the person is not left alone until they have settled down. A few weeks ago, the son of an Aboriginal friend was found on a property where he had no good reason to be and was charged with trespass and while waiting to appear in Court, was put in the regional prison farm. Because of the lack of support, he was left alone and hung himself. This is about seventieth since the Royal Commission on Aboriginal Deaths in Custody handed down some two hundred recommendations of which some seven have been enacted. I saw this person about ten days earlier, when he asked me to act as his advocate in dealing with a Government Department. At that time he was clearly not able to deal with White people and state his case. He also clearly showed signs of mental illness that dated from an event during a previous stay in prison. In the intervening period he had attended a family funeral which included about fourteen hundred miles of driving. In other prisons we have nationals from other countries who would like to come here as refugees. To comply with the Bush plan for world domination, we lock them up in purpose built buildings in remote areas. In return Bush has two of our Nationals in Cuba because they are said to have trained with some one the US had funded until recently and who they have since decided is the enemy, having served his usefulness. In the US some ten thousand of the service personnel of Desert Storm are either dead or invalided because of the US's use of depleted uranium. Friendly fire? Yes for that privileged few, it is user friendly. But that does not mean that one can use one's mind to do everything and anything we choose. The cosmos still has some degree of order that the mere mind of (wo)man will alter. Day will follow night despite anything you like to do. The differences between Reiki and Radionics stand, in the face of any amount of self delusion offered. Your use of syntax is of particular interest, as this is where most would be dowsers fall apart. Syntax is not an choice of (wo)man, it is a universal truth. It is not made on earth or by those of us down here. It is disregard of syntax that leads to DSDS, (Dowser Self Delusion Syndrome), this is where we get the answers that serve our ego and not the real answer. Neither a earthbound culture or a mere mortal can change syntax, but they can have an imperfect understanding of it. Gil ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Succussion and dilution is not homoeopathy. The fundamental principle is Like cures like. If BD preps were homoeopathic in this sense - 500 would destroy humus, for example. And it will if it is not continually feed organic matter Just think about that. No, dilution is not the same thing as homoeopathy and the BD preps do not operate on a homoeopathic basis. 500 stimulates humus production - the complete opposite of what a homoepathic form of 500 would be expected to do. So logically - either all of homoeopathy is false, its founding principle is wrong and homoeopaths all over the world are deluded and placebo is king, or the principles are correct and the BD preps are not homoeopathic - just fairly high dilutions. Otherwise Lachesis (hom. snake venom for those others who may not know) would kill people every day, not cure them. So. No, I have no problem with homoeopathy and no problem with the technique of high dilution and succussion, as such. You may remember I mentioned recently that I was keeping birds off grapes by helping the plant become one with its own inner bird This is like curing like. You might also find that there is more for humans to learn and understand about homeopathy. This is an unfolding reality we live in and so I find it humorous that you are so willing to have our understandings at a state of conclusion. One of the principles I found exploring the Astrological spiral is It is ALL RIGHT The question then becomes where are these rights and wrongs of yours both RIGHT? Glen A ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Garuda/ James, The small adverts in Acres USA has carried reference to these for several years. The seller is a dealer of used instruments and would seem to either have a large supply or an unsaleable stock. Gil Garuda wrote: James It was not I that said they were on sale. I just commented on their use by the CIA GA BdMax distributors of ThermoMax -THE proven frost protection www.bdmax.co.nz - Original Message - From: James Hedley To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 5:51 PM Subject: Re: radionics, voodoo, holycards, and 3rd class relics Glen, Where can I find some of these ex CIA radionicinstruments. James Garuda wrote: . I was told that the CIA had used Radionic for some decades. While banning its use for human health GA ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailinglist [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your optionsat: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Hi Glen, You correct me - yes, everything we now know will probably be superseded within the next 2000 years. Even (some of) the laws of physics, unknown for millenia and discovered (uncovered?) only 300-400 years ago are put into question, when seen in a different context. But this is the current understanding of homoeopathy, what can u do, just ignore it? The Explanation of how Hom. works is where the main controversy is. Is it the orientation of the water molecules that stores the memory, is it some vibrational thing that is beyond the electromagnetic spectrum, an energy pattern? Our explanations are all speculative. There are observable phenomena, but we know that the observation is affected by our mind set, by our very efforts at observation (as well as our prejudices and inclinations). So we can delude ourselves both at the level of perception AND at the level of conception. It is not that I fear that, but it is such a waste of time. My intention is to provide an alternative perspective, not just to be contra either, but to say what I think is right. In the larger world, what is often read on BDNow would be seen to be alternative, but sometimes it is the most deluded commercial crap and so dogmatically presented that it wouldn't see the light of day out there. Succussion and dilution is not homoeopathy. The fundamental principle is Like cures like. If BD preps were homoeopathic in this sense - 500 would destroy humus, for example. And it will if it is not continually feed organic matter Just think about that. No, dilution is not the same thing as homoeopathy and the BD preps do not operate on a homoeopathic basis. 500 stimulates humus production - the complete opposite of what a homoepathic form of 500 would be expected to do. So logically - either all of homoeopathy is false, its founding principle is wrong and homoeopaths all over the world are deluded and placebo is king, or the principles are correct and the BD preps are not homoeopathic - just fairly high dilutions. Otherwise Lachesis (hom. snake venom for those others who may not know) would kill people every day, not cure them. So. No, I have no problem with homoeopathy and no problem with the technique of high dilution and succussion, as such. You may remember I mentioned recently that I was keeping birds off grapes by helping the plant become one with its own inner bird This is like curing like. You might also find that there is more for humans to learn and understand about homeopathy. This is an unfolding reality we live in and so I find it humorous that you are so willing to have our understandings at a state of conclusion. One of the principles I found exploring the Astrological spiral is It is ALL RIGHT The question then becomes where are these rights and wrongs of yours both RIGHT? Glen A ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow -- Graeme Gerrard [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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But this is the current understanding of homoeopathy, what can u do, just ignore it? No I am not ignoring it. I know of no homeopath who has worked with the homeopathic BD preps and so there are no other authorative views to consider. My experience of them suggests they are different to 'normal' substance. For a start their making process places them as alchemical substances which work directly on the spiritual bodies relationship to one another. Thats the basis I must start with. Evidence does show they have a like cures like effect. It is really a question , can you see what the actual cause of a problem is and which prep will 'cure' it. Is it not more your own limitations of understanding that are the 'problem' rather than the system you are attacking? There are observable phenomena, but we know that the observation is affected by our mind set, by our very efforts at observation (as well as our prejudices and inclinations). So we can delude ourselves both at the level of perception AND at the level of conception. This what I have liked about the HortResearch process we have been through. I have not been involved in these trials whatsoever. The remedies are applied - possibly by highly sceptical scientists - on plants. Very little subjectivity here , if not down right negative sentiments, yet we have achieved positive results as predicted. These substances have power regardless of the user. This I believe is the value of using X potencies. It makes the remedy much more stable than higher potencies, most homeopathic rules apply to. I treat my remedies really badly, on purpose, and they stand up. Breaking all the trad homeopathic rules. So be it. Thats whats real, too bad about someone else rules. Its the old, If you meet Bhuddha on the road kill him' phenomena. As you may have noticed over time, my regard for 'authorities' is nil, till they prove some value. I find it gives me tremendous freedom to redefine reality to what I experience. Does wonders for ones sanity. cheers Glen A ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Title: Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics Reiki does not require the conscious use of the practitioners mind. Radionics is completely reliant on the practitioners mind and it's focus. Homoeopathics is a very physical methodology that collects and potentises the energy. Biodynamics is also a physical process of collecting and potentising energy, but different from Homoeopathics. With respect Gil Gil, with Huge respect for your education, dedication and clarity of writing. i think your codification is illusionary. There is ever widening evidence it is a user friendly universe and reality is what choices you make. The structure and usage is yours for the deciding. Every nuance of culture (whether BD, catholicism, eastern etc) selects the syntax that creates this reality. All we have to do is select and get to work with a passion. The rest is chopping wood and caring water. In love Light Markess ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Graeme, Things never have any value within themselves it is only the value which we as people put on them. James Resonant Info wrote: Unfortunately, none of the responses so far even attempted to answer the question. Are any of you conversant with these other uses of icons. Are they the same or if they are different, how so? Eric M pretty much made the point - whether one is personally sympathetic to Catholic belief or Voodoo surely makes no difference to how it works. Putting things in an unfamiliar light can seem threatening because your own assumptions can be challenged. But it can be really fruitful, it sharpens up your thinking. James H. Of course at some level everything is the same - radionics, birthday cakes, catholic holy cards, conventional agriculture, prayer, etc (just add whatever else comes to mind). Chris Korrow said the same. But things have by then lost any value in themselves, you can't meaningfully talk about separate things - it's all just energy. It is the manifestations that are really of interest - like actual individual people. ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Unfortunately, none of the responses so far even attempted to answer the question. Are any of you conversant with these other uses of icons. Are they the same or if they are different, how so? Eric M pretty much made the point - whether one is personally sympathetic to Catholic belief or Voodoo surely makes no difference to how it works. Putting things in an unfamiliar light can seem threatening because your own assumptions can be challenged. But it can be really fruitful, it sharpens up your thinking. James H. Of course at some level everything is the same - radionics, birthday cakes, catholic holy cards, conventional agriculture, prayer, etc (just add whatever else comes to mind). Chris Korrow said the same. But things have by then lost any value in themselves, you can't meaningfully talk about separate things - it's all just energy. It is the manifestations that are really of interest - like actual individual people. -- Graeme Gerrard [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Title: Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics Graeme, I'm sorry you have come to these beliefs. It's always hard to see some one work hard at learning a discipline and then become disillusioned with it. You wrote: none of Radionics is about actual, living substances and life forces as described by Rudolf Steiner I wonder where you fell into this belief and what would happen to your Radionic work if you changed this belief. You might consider working with the actual preps and substances as reagents in your broadcasts. I do and also utilize a number of crystals to the delight many beings, plants and gardens included. By the by where does RS tell as to his in-depth rational for the creation of the thought forms and original intents for the indications of the preps. In Love * Light Markess From: Resonant Info [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:51:37 +1000 To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics Gil, Have a look at a few websites on Voodoo and saints relics and inform yourself further. The popular view of sticking pins in dolls to harm others is, well, it is just one point of view on voodoo. Likewise I wasn't talking about the Catholic Church, as you put it, but one particular belief of some Catholics. There are 3 kinds of relics. The first is a body part of a saint, the second is a piece of clothing worn by a saint and the third class is a piece of material that has touched a first class relic, or a holy site, like eg a footprint of a saint. In the past it could be that the chosen purpose of someone's life was to do a pilgrimage to a particular cathedral said to be built around or house a 1st or 2nd class relic. Now you can buy 3rd class relics over the net with your VISA card for $29.95 and you don't even have to prove you are of the Catholic faith to purchase. (I am sure if you shop around, you could get a similar or even better quality relic for a low low price. Greg W may be interested in this too.) It's just a side point, but I am afraid you contradict yourself about the use of radionics - that is is only used for good, and still you worry about what the CIA may have used radionics instruments for. You see,. It's about other energies. It is easy to get excited about these other forces and get confused. To me, this is why Steiner presented the preps in the way he did, to try to ensure people don't get too off the planet and become confounded. It keeps you solid, grounded and respectful of life use the real preps. It isn't just some spiritual hocus pocus thing, but real matter, organic matter derived from living things. If you do some serious thinking about this the distinction between these other forces and the biodynamic preps stands out like dog's balls (= Australian for quite evident for those less crassly inclined.) And, using the preps is about growing food for people - for the children who will be the masters of earth in a few years. They are the people we must think of when we do biodynamics. It is them that we are serving. Sometimes this aim is lost in the excitement of the practise of BD. regs, Gerrard ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Why not let him present his proof instead of finding some novel way of telling him he is a nutcase. If Greg can prove his style of BD minimizes disease even as it greatly increases the quality, then I think maybe we should all shut up and listen. Rex Harrill Here Here, it is the way forward. Even if the Association blind dudes can not see it or acknowledge it, the world does. 'Their' loss, the worlds win, and we move forward. Glen A ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
