Re: [beagleboard] Anything similar

[John Syne]

If you only want ARM cores, then this will be the least expensive:

http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G143452239825 


Don’t count on the same level of support because they don’t have a Robert 
Nelson on their team.

Regards,
John




> On Feb 21, 2016, at 5:49 PM, William Hermans  wrote:
> 
> John, also if you want to get nick picky, anyone can say that *any* dual core 
> board, plus any number of embedded dev board with various "required" specs is 
> a comparable system.
> 
> But the way I took the question, is that the OP wants an ARM system, with 2GB 
> RAM, USB 3.0 GbE ethernet, and SATA. to Which there are several boards out 
> there that are compatible. The above named nVidia Jetson for starters.
> 
> I'm sure the OP can come on and say one way or another whether one thing or 
> another fits the criteria or not.
> 
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 6:43 PM, William Hermans  > wrote:
> Outside of TI processor boards, there is nothing that compares. Because TI is 
> the only company that has processor ondie PRU's. But some do have IPU's from 
> what I understand.
> 
> Anyway, the OP gave no constraints as what is indicated as "comparable 
> specs". And since the question was asked in the first place, many of us can 
> also assume this person has no clue about the additional on die processors.
> 
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 6:28 PM, John Syne  > wrote:
> The OP question was "Are there any other boards out there with a comparable 
> spec to the X15”
> 
> Regards,
> John
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 21, 2016, at 5:26 PM, William Hermans > > wrote:
>> 
>> Who cares ? I never heard the OP make any such constraints. Also as for 
>> DSPs, PRU, and the like. You can do similar to adding external processors / 
>> boards. This wont work 100% of the time, but it will work for 99.9% of the 
>> situations out there. 
>> 
>> Very rarely does a dedicated embedded processor have to communicate directly 
>> with a host processor because of performance constraints. But I can think of 
>> at least one situation. Out of thousands . . .
>> 
>> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 6:19 PM, John Syne > > wrote:
>> These processors only have ARM cores and GPU. No DSP, no CortexM4, no PRU. 
>> Not even close.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> John
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 21, 2016, at 3:04 PM, William Hermans >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> By the way. nVidia  has the Jetson K1 and T1 boards . . . they are nVidias 
>>> own brand of ARM of course, and as such have much better / faster graphics. 
>>> These run around $220 last I looked.
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 4:01 PM, William Hermans >> > wrote:
>>> You are talking about a computer which doesn't interface directly to buses 
>>> like I2C, SPI, GPIO, I2S, etc
>>> 
>>> Have you ever used a true bare metal board ? Something that only has an MCU 
>>> for the boards main processor ? Such as PIC32, Cortex M0/0+, M3, M4, or an 
>>> MSP430 ?
>>> 
>>> It would not be hard to combine one, or multiples of these types of 
>>> embedded devboards to even a regular PC. USB also does not have the  be the 
>>> medium of communication either. Communication could be done over ethernet, 
>>> wifi, bluetooth, *or* USB and remain practical.
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 3:47 PM, John Syne >> > wrote:
>>> I’m not saying the NUC isn’t a great deal, but it is targeting a different 
>>> market to the x15. You are talking about a computer which doesn't interface 
>>> directly to buses like I2C, SPI, GPIO, I2S, etc. Connecting these buses via 
>>> USB is a real headache. You cannot use a Linux driver for devices connected 
>>> to these buses. You have to write your own user space drivers. The only 
>>> solution I know of that compares to the x15 is the Qualcomm Snapdragon 
>>> Evaluation board, which has CortexA15, GPU, DSP and direct access to 
>>> peripherals. Problem is, this board is over $1,000. 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> John
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 21, 2016, at 2:31 PM, William Hermans > wrote:
 
 That depends what one wants to do John. Such a board with additional 
 hardware could be made to do the same job as any embedded system.
 
 So, what if you need just a few embedded peripherals, but need an 
 incredibly solid M.E.A.N. stack ? Mongo is currently not fully functional 
 on armhf ABI's. So in this context it makes perfect sense. I can probably 
 also dream up other situations as well if i cared to.
 
 Cost wise, it may not make sense, and efficiency wise it also may not make 
 sense. But 

Re: [beagleboard] Anything similar

[William Hermans]

John, also if you want to get nick picky, anyone can say that *any* dual
core board, plus any number of embedded dev board with various "required"
specs is a comparable system.

But the way I took the question, is that the OP wants an ARM system, with
2GB RAM, USB 3.0 GbE ethernet, and SATA. to Which there are several boards
out there that are compatible. The above named nVidia Jetson for starters.

I'm sure the OP can come on and say one way or another whether one thing or
another fits the criteria or not.

On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 6:43 PM, William Hermans  wrote:

> Outside of TI processor boards, there is nothing that compares. Because TI
> is the only company that has processor ondie PRU's. But some do have IPU's
> from what I understand.
>
> Anyway, the OP gave no constraints as what is indicated as "comparable
> specs". And since the question was asked in the first place, many of us can
> also assume this person has no clue about the additional on die processors.
>
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 6:28 PM, John Syne  wrote:
>
>> The OP question was "Are there any other boards out there with a
>> comparable spec to the X15”
>>
>> Regards,
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 21, 2016, at 5:26 PM, William Hermans  wrote:
>>
>> Who cares ? I never heard the OP make any such constraints. Also as for
>> DSPs, PRU, and the like. You can do similar to adding external processors /
>> boards. This wont work 100% of the time, but it will work for 99.9% of the
>> situations out there.
>>
>> Very rarely does a dedicated embedded processor have to communicate
>> directly with a host processor because of performance constraints. But I
>> can think of at least one situation. Out of thousands . . .
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 6:19 PM, John Syne  wrote:
>>
>>> These processors only have ARM cores and GPU. No DSP, no CortexM4, no
>>> PRU. Not even close.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 21, 2016, at 3:04 PM, William Hermans  wrote:
>>>
>>> By the way. nVidia  has the Jetson K1 and T1 boards . . . they are
>>> nVidias own brand of ARM of course, and as such have much better / faster
>>> graphics. These run around $220 last I looked.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 4:01 PM, William Hermans 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 *You are talking about a computer which doesn't interface directly to
> buses like I2C, SPI, GPIO, I2S, etc*
>

 Have you ever used a true bare metal board ? Something that only has an
 MCU for the boards main processor ? Such as PIC32, Cortex M0/0+, M3, M4, or
 an MSP430 ?

 It would not be hard to combine one, or multiples of these types of
 embedded devboards to even a regular PC. USB also does not have the  be the
 medium of communication either. Communication could be done over ethernet,
 wifi, bluetooth, *or* USB and remain practical.

 On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 3:47 PM, John Syne  wrote:

> I’m not saying the NUC isn’t a great deal, but it is targeting a
> different market to the x15. You are talking about a computer which 
> doesn't
> interface directly to buses like I2C, SPI, GPIO, I2S, etc. Connecting 
> these
> buses via USB is a real headache. You cannot use a Linux driver for 
> devices
> connected to these buses. You have to write your own user space drivers.
> The only solution I know of that compares to the x15 is the Qualcomm
> Snapdragon Evaluation board, which has CortexA15, GPU, DSP and direct
> access to peripherals. Problem is, this board is over $1,000.
>
> Regards,
> John
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 21, 2016, at 2:31 PM, William Hermans 
> wrote:
>
> That depends what one wants to do John. Such a board with additional
> hardware could be made to do the same job as any embedded system.
>
> So, what if you need just a few embedded peripherals, but need an
> incredibly solid M.E.A.N. stack ? Mongo is currently not fully functional
> on armhf ABI's. So in this context it makes perfect sense. I can probably
> also dream up other situations as well if i cared to.
>
> Cost wise, it may not make sense, and efficiency wise it also may not
> make sense. But these are factors that not everyone cares about.
>
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 2:10 PM, John Syne  wrote:
>
>> I’m not sure how you make this comparison. You are comparing a
>> processor to a SOC (System on Chip). The AM5728 has direct access to 
>> GPIO,
>> SPI, I2C, PCIe, USB3, UART, etc. The Pentium does not have direct access 
>> to
>> these, but access PCI, USB3, UART via North/South bridge. No direct 
>> access
>> to any of the other peripherals supported by the AM5728. In addition, the
>> AM5728 supports Dual CortexM4, Dual DSP and Quad PRU. Comparing 

Re: [beagleboard] Anything similar

[William Hermans]

Outside of TI processor boards, there is nothing that compares. Because TI
is the only company that has processor ondie PRU's. But some do have IPU's
from what I understand.

Anyway, the OP gave no constraints as what is indicated as "comparable
specs". And since the question was asked in the first place, many of us can
also assume this person has no clue about the additional on die processors.

On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 6:28 PM, John Syne  wrote:

> The OP question was "Are there any other boards out there with a
> comparable spec to the X15”
>
> Regards,
> John
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 21, 2016, at 5:26 PM, William Hermans  wrote:
>
> Who cares ? I never heard the OP make any such constraints. Also as for
> DSPs, PRU, and the like. You can do similar to adding external processors /
> boards. This wont work 100% of the time, but it will work for 99.9% of the
> situations out there.
>
> Very rarely does a dedicated embedded processor have to communicate
> directly with a host processor because of performance constraints. But I
> can think of at least one situation. Out of thousands . . .
>
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 6:19 PM, John Syne  wrote:
>
>> These processors only have ARM cores and GPU. No DSP, no CortexM4, no
>> PRU. Not even close.
>>
>> Regards,
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 21, 2016, at 3:04 PM, William Hermans  wrote:
>>
>> By the way. nVidia  has the Jetson K1 and T1 boards . . . they are
>> nVidias own brand of ARM of course, and as such have much better / faster
>> graphics. These run around $220 last I looked.
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 4:01 PM, William Hermans 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> *You are talking about a computer which doesn't interface directly to
 buses like I2C, SPI, GPIO, I2S, etc*

>>>
>>> Have you ever used a true bare metal board ? Something that only has an
>>> MCU for the boards main processor ? Such as PIC32, Cortex M0/0+, M3, M4, or
>>> an MSP430 ?
>>>
>>> It would not be hard to combine one, or multiples of these types of
>>> embedded devboards to even a regular PC. USB also does not have the  be the
>>> medium of communication either. Communication could be done over ethernet,
>>> wifi, bluetooth, *or* USB and remain practical.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 3:47 PM, John Syne  wrote:
>>>
 I’m not saying the NUC isn’t a great deal, but it is targeting a
 different market to the x15. You are talking about a computer which doesn't
 interface directly to buses like I2C, SPI, GPIO, I2S, etc. Connecting these
 buses via USB is a real headache. You cannot use a Linux driver for devices
 connected to these buses. You have to write your own user space drivers.
 The only solution I know of that compares to the x15 is the Qualcomm
 Snapdragon Evaluation board, which has CortexA15, GPU, DSP and direct
 access to peripherals. Problem is, this board is over $1,000.

 Regards,
 John




 On Feb 21, 2016, at 2:31 PM, William Hermans  wrote:

 That depends what one wants to do John. Such a board with additional
 hardware could be made to do the same job as any embedded system.

 So, what if you need just a few embedded peripherals, but need an
 incredibly solid M.E.A.N. stack ? Mongo is currently not fully functional
 on armhf ABI's. So in this context it makes perfect sense. I can probably
 also dream up other situations as well if i cared to.

 Cost wise, it may not make sense, and efficiency wise it also may not
 make sense. But these are factors that not everyone cares about.

 On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 2:10 PM, John Syne  wrote:

> I’m not sure how you make this comparison. You are comparing a
> processor to a SOC (System on Chip). The AM5728 has direct access to GPIO,
> SPI, I2C, PCIe, USB3, UART, etc. The Pentium does not have direct access 
> to
> these, but access PCI, USB3, UART via North/South bridge. No direct access
> to any of the other peripherals supported by the AM5728. In addition, the
> AM5728 supports Dual CortexM4, Dual DSP and Quad PRU. Comparing these
> boards makes no sense. They are used for completely different markets.
>
> Regards,
> John
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 21, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Graham  wrote:
>
> Intel NUC.
> Your choice of Celeron, Pentium, i3, i5 or i7. (uses laptop processors)
> 4 inches by 4 inches circuit board.
> You can get a quad core 2.4 GHz Pentium (including a case) for less
> than the X-15.
> Go to Amazon.com , search for "Intel NUC NUC5PPYH"
> (The X-15 now seems to be up to $259 USD at Mouser, with deliveries
> starting this month.)
> The NUC still needs plug-in DRAM, a laptop disk drive, and an OS.
> Works fine with Linux.
> If you 

Re: [beagleboard] Anything similar

[John Syne]

The OP question was "Are there any other boards out there with a comparable 
spec to the X15”

Regards,
John




> On Feb 21, 2016, at 5:26 PM, William Hermans  wrote:
> 
> Who cares ? I never heard the OP make any such constraints. Also as for DSPs, 
> PRU, and the like. You can do similar to adding external processors / boards. 
> This wont work 100% of the time, but it will work for 99.9% of the situations 
> out there. 
> 
> Very rarely does a dedicated embedded processor have to communicate directly 
> with a host processor because of performance constraints. But I can think of 
> at least one situation. Out of thousands . . .
> 
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 6:19 PM, John Syne  > wrote:
> These processors only have ARM cores and GPU. No DSP, no CortexM4, no PRU. 
> Not even close.
> 
> Regards,
> John
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 21, 2016, at 3:04 PM, William Hermans > > wrote:
>> 
>> By the way. nVidia  has the Jetson K1 and T1 boards . . . they are nVidias 
>> own brand of ARM of course, and as such have much better / faster graphics. 
>> These run around $220 last I looked.
>> 
>> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 4:01 PM, William Hermans > > wrote:
>> You are talking about a computer which doesn't interface directly to buses 
>> like I2C, SPI, GPIO, I2S, etc
>> 
>> Have you ever used a true bare metal board ? Something that only has an MCU 
>> for the boards main processor ? Such as PIC32, Cortex M0/0+, M3, M4, or an 
>> MSP430 ?
>> 
>> It would not be hard to combine one, or multiples of these types of embedded 
>> devboards to even a regular PC. USB also does not have the  be the medium of 
>> communication either. Communication could be done over ethernet, wifi, 
>> bluetooth, *or* USB and remain practical.
>> 
>> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 3:47 PM, John Syne > > wrote:
>> I’m not saying the NUC isn’t a great deal, but it is targeting a different 
>> market to the x15. You are talking about a computer which doesn't interface 
>> directly to buses like I2C, SPI, GPIO, I2S, etc. Connecting these buses via 
>> USB is a real headache. You cannot use a Linux driver for devices connected 
>> to these buses. You have to write your own user space drivers. The only 
>> solution I know of that compares to the x15 is the Qualcomm Snapdragon 
>> Evaluation board, which has CortexA15, GPU, DSP and direct access to 
>> peripherals. Problem is, this board is over $1,000. 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> John
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 21, 2016, at 2:31 PM, William Hermans >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> That depends what one wants to do John. Such a board with additional 
>>> hardware could be made to do the same job as any embedded system.
>>> 
>>> So, what if you need just a few embedded peripherals, but need an 
>>> incredibly solid M.E.A.N. stack ? Mongo is currently not fully functional 
>>> on armhf ABI's. So in this context it makes perfect sense. I can probably 
>>> also dream up other situations as well if i cared to.
>>> 
>>> Cost wise, it may not make sense, and efficiency wise it also may not make 
>>> sense. But these are factors that not everyone cares about.
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 2:10 PM, John Syne >> > wrote:
>>> I’m not sure how you make this comparison. You are comparing a processor to 
>>> a SOC (System on Chip). The AM5728 has direct access to GPIO, SPI, I2C, 
>>> PCIe, USB3, UART, etc. The Pentium does not have direct access to these, 
>>> but access PCI, USB3, UART via North/South bridge. No direct access to any 
>>> of the other peripherals supported by the AM5728. In addition, the AM5728 
>>> supports Dual CortexM4, Dual DSP and Quad PRU. Comparing these boards makes 
>>> no sense. They are used for completely different markets. 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> John
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 21, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Graham > wrote:
 
 Intel NUC. 
 Your choice of Celeron, Pentium, i3, i5 or i7. (uses laptop processors)
 4 inches by 4 inches circuit board.
 You can get a quad core 2.4 GHz Pentium (including a case) for less than 
 the X-15. 
 Go to Amazon.com , search for "Intel NUC NUC5PPYH"
 (The X-15 now seems to be up to $259 USD at Mouser, with deliveries 
 starting this month.)
 The NUC still needs plug-in DRAM, a laptop disk drive, and an OS.
 Works fine with Linux.
 If you want to run a bunch of GPIO, you will have to go out through FTDI 
 USB to I2C or SPI, then use expander IC's.
 
 --- Graham
 
 ==
 
 On Sunday, February 21, 2016 at 10:47:31 AM UTC-6, sarev_...@yahoo.co.uk 
  wrote:
 Are there any other boards out there with a 

Re: [beagleboard] Anything similar

[William Hermans]

Who cares ? I never heard the OP make any such constraints. Also as for
DSPs, PRU, and the like. You can do similar to adding external processors /
boards. This wont work 100% of the time, but it will work for 99.9% of the
situations out there.

Very rarely does a dedicated embedded processor have to communicate
directly with a host processor because of performance constraints. But I
can think of at least one situation. Out of thousands . . .

On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 6:19 PM, John Syne  wrote:

> These processors only have ARM cores and GPU. No DSP, no CortexM4, no PRU.
> Not even close.
>
> Regards,
> John
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 21, 2016, at 3:04 PM, William Hermans  wrote:
>
> By the way. nVidia  has the Jetson K1 and T1 boards . . . they are nVidias
> own brand of ARM of course, and as such have much better / faster graphics.
> These run around $220 last I looked.
>
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 4:01 PM, William Hermans 
> wrote:
>
>> *You are talking about a computer which doesn't interface directly to
>>> buses like I2C, SPI, GPIO, I2S, etc*
>>>
>>
>> Have you ever used a true bare metal board ? Something that only has an
>> MCU for the boards main processor ? Such as PIC32, Cortex M0/0+, M3, M4, or
>> an MSP430 ?
>>
>> It would not be hard to combine one, or multiples of these types of
>> embedded devboards to even a regular PC. USB also does not have the  be the
>> medium of communication either. Communication could be done over ethernet,
>> wifi, bluetooth, *or* USB and remain practical.
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 3:47 PM, John Syne  wrote:
>>
>>> I’m not saying the NUC isn’t a great deal, but it is targeting a
>>> different market to the x15. You are talking about a computer which doesn't
>>> interface directly to buses like I2C, SPI, GPIO, I2S, etc. Connecting these
>>> buses via USB is a real headache. You cannot use a Linux driver for devices
>>> connected to these buses. You have to write your own user space drivers.
>>> The only solution I know of that compares to the x15 is the Qualcomm
>>> Snapdragon Evaluation board, which has CortexA15, GPU, DSP and direct
>>> access to peripherals. Problem is, this board is over $1,000.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 21, 2016, at 2:31 PM, William Hermans  wrote:
>>>
>>> That depends what one wants to do John. Such a board with additional
>>> hardware could be made to do the same job as any embedded system.
>>>
>>> So, what if you need just a few embedded peripherals, but need an
>>> incredibly solid M.E.A.N. stack ? Mongo is currently not fully functional
>>> on armhf ABI's. So in this context it makes perfect sense. I can probably
>>> also dream up other situations as well if i cared to.
>>>
>>> Cost wise, it may not make sense, and efficiency wise it also may not
>>> make sense. But these are factors that not everyone cares about.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 2:10 PM, John Syne  wrote:
>>>
 I’m not sure how you make this comparison. You are comparing a
 processor to a SOC (System on Chip). The AM5728 has direct access to GPIO,
 SPI, I2C, PCIe, USB3, UART, etc. The Pentium does not have direct access to
 these, but access PCI, USB3, UART via North/South bridge. No direct access
 to any of the other peripherals supported by the AM5728. In addition, the
 AM5728 supports Dual CortexM4, Dual DSP and Quad PRU. Comparing these
 boards makes no sense. They are used for completely different markets.

 Regards,
 John




 On Feb 21, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Graham  wrote:

 Intel NUC.
 Your choice of Celeron, Pentium, i3, i5 or i7. (uses laptop processors)
 4 inches by 4 inches circuit board.
 You can get a quad core 2.4 GHz Pentium (including a case) for less
 than the X-15.
 Go to Amazon.com , search for "Intel NUC NUC5PPYH"
 (The X-15 now seems to be up to $259 USD at Mouser, with deliveries
 starting this month.)
 The NUC still needs plug-in DRAM, a laptop disk drive, and an OS.
 Works fine with Linux.
 If you want to run a bunch of GPIO, you will have to go out through
 FTDI USB to I2C or SPI, then use expander IC's.

 --- Graham

 ==

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>
> Are there any other boards out there with a comparable spec to the
> X15? I'd like to see what else is available, especially with this kind of
> chipset and performance.
>

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Re: [beagleboard] Anything similar

[John Syne]

These processors only have ARM cores and GPU. No DSP, no CortexM4, no PRU. Not 
even close.

Regards,
John




> On Feb 21, 2016, at 3:04 PM, William Hermans  wrote:
> 
> By the way. nVidia  has the Jetson K1 and T1 boards . . . they are nVidias 
> own brand of ARM of course, and as such have much better / faster graphics. 
> These run around $220 last I looked.
> 
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 4:01 PM, William Hermans  > wrote:
> You are talking about a computer which doesn't interface directly to buses 
> like I2C, SPI, GPIO, I2S, etc
> 
> Have you ever used a true bare metal board ? Something that only has an MCU 
> for the boards main processor ? Such as PIC32, Cortex M0/0+, M3, M4, or an 
> MSP430 ?
> 
> It would not be hard to combine one, or multiples of these types of embedded 
> devboards to even a regular PC. USB also does not have the  be the medium of 
> communication either. Communication could be done over ethernet, wifi, 
> bluetooth, *or* USB and remain practical.
> 
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 3:47 PM, John Syne  > wrote:
> I’m not saying the NUC isn’t a great deal, but it is targeting a different 
> market to the x15. You are talking about a computer which doesn't interface 
> directly to buses like I2C, SPI, GPIO, I2S, etc. Connecting these buses via 
> USB is a real headache. You cannot use a Linux driver for devices connected 
> to these buses. You have to write your own user space drivers. The only 
> solution I know of that compares to the x15 is the Qualcomm Snapdragon 
> Evaluation board, which has CortexA15, GPU, DSP and direct access to 
> peripherals. Problem is, this board is over $1,000. 
> 
> Regards,
> John
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 21, 2016, at 2:31 PM, William Hermans > > wrote:
>> 
>> That depends what one wants to do John. Such a board with additional 
>> hardware could be made to do the same job as any embedded system.
>> 
>> So, what if you need just a few embedded peripherals, but need an incredibly 
>> solid M.E.A.N. stack ? Mongo is currently not fully functional on armhf 
>> ABI's. So in this context it makes perfect sense. I can probably also dream 
>> up other situations as well if i cared to.
>> 
>> Cost wise, it may not make sense, and efficiency wise it also may not make 
>> sense. But these are factors that not everyone cares about.
>> 
>> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 2:10 PM, John Syne > > wrote:
>> I’m not sure how you make this comparison. You are comparing a processor to 
>> a SOC (System on Chip). The AM5728 has direct access to GPIO, SPI, I2C, 
>> PCIe, USB3, UART, etc. The Pentium does not have direct access to these, but 
>> access PCI, USB3, UART via North/South bridge. No direct access to any of 
>> the other peripherals supported by the AM5728. In addition, the AM5728 
>> supports Dual CortexM4, Dual DSP and Quad PRU. Comparing these boards makes 
>> no sense. They are used for completely different markets. 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> John
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 21, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Graham >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Intel NUC. 
>>> Your choice of Celeron, Pentium, i3, i5 or i7. (uses laptop processors)
>>> 4 inches by 4 inches circuit board.
>>> You can get a quad core 2.4 GHz Pentium (including a case) for less than 
>>> the X-15. 
>>> Go to Amazon.com , search for "Intel NUC NUC5PPYH"
>>> (The X-15 now seems to be up to $259 USD at Mouser, with deliveries 
>>> starting this month.)
>>> The NUC still needs plug-in DRAM, a laptop disk drive, and an OS.
>>> Works fine with Linux.
>>> If you want to run a bunch of GPIO, you will have to go out through FTDI 
>>> USB to I2C or SPI, then use expander IC's.
>>> 
>>> --- Graham
>>> 
>>> ==
>>> 
>>> On Sunday, February 21, 2016 at 10:47:31 AM UTC-6, sarev_...@yahoo.co.uk 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Are there any other boards out there with a comparable spec to the X15? I'd 
>>> like to see what else is available, especially with this kind of chipset 
>>> and performance.
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Re: [beagleboard] Anything similar

[John Syne]

Yeah, but then you cannot benefit from the thousands of driver available in the 
Linux Kernel.

Regards,
John




> On Feb 21, 2016, at 3:53 PM, Graham Haddock  wrote:
> 
> So, tell me again what the market is for a $250 "embedded" processor card.
> 
> I understand that TI is using it for an eval board for the AM572x. 
> OK, I get that. And they add an LCD and double the price. (?!?)
> 
> A pair of DSPs brings a lot of crunch power to the party.
> OK, cool. RF transceivers, modems for unique protocols that don't have 
> dedicated hardware solutions. Military gonna like it.
> 
> But one, two, or three 2.4 GHz Pentiums can do a lot of crunching if that is 
> all you do with them.
> 
> I am just amazed at what you can get for $179 in a NUC.  
> There was a discussion earlier today of someone wanting a headless X-15 
> stripped of all of the GPIO. H.
> 
> It is actually quite easy to support SPI, I2C buses and GPIO via USB.
> Check out FTDI FT232HL.  One chip.  USB2 to I2C, or SPI or 16 GPIO. (or 
> serial UART)
> Adafruit sells little eval boards. With windows drivers. 
> FTDI sells them as a lump in a USB cable.
> Same guys that have been doing USB to Serial chips for a decade. They are 
> branching out.  USB to hardware buses, USB to video, etc.
> 
> Not hard to get a little or a lot of A->D, D->A, GPIO, in or out of a more 
> traditional CPU architecture. 
> 
> --- Graham
> 
> ==
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 4:47 PM, John Syne  > wrote:
> I’m not saying the NUC isn’t a great deal, but it is targeting a different 
> market to the x15. You are talking about a computer which doesn't interface 
> directly to buses like I2C, SPI, GPIO, I2S, etc. Connecting these buses via 
> USB is a real headache. You cannot use a Linux driver for devices connected 
> to these buses. You have to write your own user space drivers. The only 
> solution I know of that compares to the x15 is the Qualcomm Snapdragon 
> Evaluation board, which has CortexA15, GPU, DSP and direct access to 
> peripherals. Problem is, this board is over $1,000. 
> 
> Regards,
> John
> 
> 
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Re: [beagleboard] Anything similar

[Graham Haddock]

So, tell me again what the market is for a $250 "embedded" processor card.

I understand that TI is using it for an eval board for the AM572x.
OK, I get that. And they add an LCD and double the price. (?!?)

A pair of DSPs brings a lot of crunch power to the party.
OK, cool. RF transceivers, modems for unique protocols that don't have
dedicated hardware solutions. Military gonna like it.

But one, two, or three 2.4 GHz Pentiums can do a lot of crunching if that
is all you do with them.

I am just amazed at what you can get for $179 in a NUC.
There was a discussion earlier today of someone wanting a headless X-15
stripped of all of the GPIO. H.

It is actually quite easy to support SPI, I2C buses and GPIO via USB.
Check out FTDI FT232HL.  One chip.  USB2 to I2C, or SPI or 16 GPIO. (or
serial UART)
Adafruit sells little eval boards. With windows drivers.
FTDI sells them as a lump in a USB cable.
Same guys that have been doing USB to Serial chips for a decade. They are
branching out.  USB to hardware buses, USB to video, etc.

Not hard to get a little or a lot of A->D, D->A, GPIO, in or out of a more
traditional CPU architecture.

--- Graham

==



On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 4:47 PM, John Syne  wrote:

> I’m not saying the NUC isn’t a great deal, but it is targeting a different
> market to the x15. You are talking about a computer which doesn't interface
> directly to buses like I2C, SPI, GPIO, I2S, etc. Connecting these buses via
> USB is a real headache. You cannot use a Linux driver for devices connected
> to these buses. You have to write your own user space drivers. The only
> solution I know of that compares to the x15 is the Qualcomm Snapdragon
> Evaluation board, which has CortexA15, GPU, DSP and direct access to
> peripherals. Problem is, this board is over $1,000.
>
> Regards,
> John
>
>
>

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Re: [beagleboard] Anything similar

[William Hermans]

By the way. nVidia  has the Jetson K1 and T1 boards . . . they are nVidias
own brand of ARM of course, and as such have much better / faster graphics.
These run around $220 last I looked.

On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 4:01 PM, William Hermans  wrote:

> *You are talking about a computer which doesn't interface directly to
>> buses like I2C, SPI, GPIO, I2S, etc*
>>
>
> Have you ever used a true bare metal board ? Something that only has an
> MCU for the boards main processor ? Such as PIC32, Cortex M0/0+, M3, M4, or
> an MSP430 ?
>
> It would not be hard to combine one, or multiples of these types of
> embedded devboards to even a regular PC. USB also does not have the  be the
> medium of communication either. Communication could be done over ethernet,
> wifi, bluetooth, *or* USB and remain practical.
>
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 3:47 PM, John Syne  wrote:
>
>> I’m not saying the NUC isn’t a great deal, but it is targeting a
>> different market to the x15. You are talking about a computer which doesn't
>> interface directly to buses like I2C, SPI, GPIO, I2S, etc. Connecting these
>> buses via USB is a real headache. You cannot use a Linux driver for devices
>> connected to these buses. You have to write your own user space drivers.
>> The only solution I know of that compares to the x15 is the Qualcomm
>> Snapdragon Evaluation board, which has CortexA15, GPU, DSP and direct
>> access to peripherals. Problem is, this board is over $1,000.
>>
>> Regards,
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 21, 2016, at 2:31 PM, William Hermans  wrote:
>>
>> That depends what one wants to do John. Such a board with additional
>> hardware could be made to do the same job as any embedded system.
>>
>> So, what if you need just a few embedded peripherals, but need an
>> incredibly solid M.E.A.N. stack ? Mongo is currently not fully functional
>> on armhf ABI's. So in this context it makes perfect sense. I can probably
>> also dream up other situations as well if i cared to.
>>
>> Cost wise, it may not make sense, and efficiency wise it also may not
>> make sense. But these are factors that not everyone cares about.
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 2:10 PM, John Syne  wrote:
>>
>>> I’m not sure how you make this comparison. You are comparing a processor
>>> to a SOC (System on Chip). The AM5728 has direct access to GPIO, SPI, I2C,
>>> PCIe, USB3, UART, etc. The Pentium does not have direct access to these,
>>> but access PCI, USB3, UART via North/South bridge. No direct access to any
>>> of the other peripherals supported by the AM5728. In addition, the AM5728
>>> supports Dual CortexM4, Dual DSP and Quad PRU. Comparing these boards makes
>>> no sense. They are used for completely different markets.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 21, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Graham  wrote:
>>>
>>> Intel NUC.
>>> Your choice of Celeron, Pentium, i3, i5 or i7. (uses laptop processors)
>>> 4 inches by 4 inches circuit board.
>>> You can get a quad core 2.4 GHz Pentium (including a case) for less than
>>> the X-15.
>>> Go to Amazon.com , search for "Intel NUC NUC5PPYH"
>>> (The X-15 now seems to be up to $259 USD at Mouser, with deliveries
>>> starting this month.)
>>> The NUC still needs plug-in DRAM, a laptop disk drive, and an OS.
>>> Works fine with Linux.
>>> If you want to run a bunch of GPIO, you will have to go out through FTDI
>>> USB to I2C or SPI, then use expander IC's.
>>>
>>> --- Graham
>>>
>>> ==
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 21, 2016 at 10:47:31 AM UTC-6, sarev_...@yahoo.co.uk
>>> wrote:

 Are there any other boards out there with a comparable spec to the X15?
 I'd like to see what else is available, especially with this kind of
 chipset and performance.

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Re: [beagleboard] Anything similar

[William Hermans]

>
> *You are talking about a computer which doesn't interface directly to
> buses like I2C, SPI, GPIO, I2S, etc*
>

Have you ever used a true bare metal board ? Something that only has an MCU
for the boards main processor ? Such as PIC32, Cortex M0/0+, M3, M4, or an
MSP430 ?

It would not be hard to combine one, or multiples of these types of
embedded devboards to even a regular PC. USB also does not have the  be the
medium of communication either. Communication could be done over ethernet,
wifi, bluetooth, *or* USB and remain practical.

On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 3:47 PM, John Syne  wrote:

> I’m not saying the NUC isn’t a great deal, but it is targeting a different
> market to the x15. You are talking about a computer which doesn't interface
> directly to buses like I2C, SPI, GPIO, I2S, etc. Connecting these buses via
> USB is a real headache. You cannot use a Linux driver for devices connected
> to these buses. You have to write your own user space drivers. The only
> solution I know of that compares to the x15 is the Qualcomm Snapdragon
> Evaluation board, which has CortexA15, GPU, DSP and direct access to
> peripherals. Problem is, this board is over $1,000.
>
> Regards,
> John
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 21, 2016, at 2:31 PM, William Hermans  wrote:
>
> That depends what one wants to do John. Such a board with additional
> hardware could be made to do the same job as any embedded system.
>
> So, what if you need just a few embedded peripherals, but need an
> incredibly solid M.E.A.N. stack ? Mongo is currently not fully functional
> on armhf ABI's. So in this context it makes perfect sense. I can probably
> also dream up other situations as well if i cared to.
>
> Cost wise, it may not make sense, and efficiency wise it also may not make
> sense. But these are factors that not everyone cares about.
>
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 2:10 PM, John Syne  wrote:
>
>> I’m not sure how you make this comparison. You are comparing a processor
>> to a SOC (System on Chip). The AM5728 has direct access to GPIO, SPI, I2C,
>> PCIe, USB3, UART, etc. The Pentium does not have direct access to these,
>> but access PCI, USB3, UART via North/South bridge. No direct access to any
>> of the other peripherals supported by the AM5728. In addition, the AM5728
>> supports Dual CortexM4, Dual DSP and Quad PRU. Comparing these boards makes
>> no sense. They are used for completely different markets.
>>
>> Regards,
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 21, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Graham  wrote:
>>
>> Intel NUC.
>> Your choice of Celeron, Pentium, i3, i5 or i7. (uses laptop processors)
>> 4 inches by 4 inches circuit board.
>> You can get a quad core 2.4 GHz Pentium (including a case) for less than
>> the X-15.
>> Go to Amazon.com , search for "Intel NUC NUC5PPYH"
>> (The X-15 now seems to be up to $259 USD at Mouser, with deliveries
>> starting this month.)
>> The NUC still needs plug-in DRAM, a laptop disk drive, and an OS.
>> Works fine with Linux.
>> If you want to run a bunch of GPIO, you will have to go out through FTDI
>> USB to I2C or SPI, then use expander IC's.
>>
>> --- Graham
>>
>> ==
>>
>> On Sunday, February 21, 2016 at 10:47:31 AM UTC-6, sarev_...@yahoo.co.uk
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Are there any other boards out there with a comparable spec to the X15?
>>> I'd like to see what else is available, especially with this kind of
>>> chipset and performance.
>>>
>>
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Re: [beagleboard] Anything similar

[John Syne]

I’m not saying the NUC isn’t a great deal, but it is targeting a different 
market to the x15. You are talking about a computer which doesn't interface 
directly to buses like I2C, SPI, GPIO, I2S, etc. Connecting these buses via USB 
is a real headache. You cannot use a Linux driver for devices connected to 
these buses. You have to write your own user space drivers. The only solution I 
know of that compares to the x15 is the Qualcomm Snapdragon Evaluation board, 
which has CortexA15, GPU, DSP and direct access to peripherals. Problem is, 
this board is over $1,000. 

Regards,
John




> On Feb 21, 2016, at 2:31 PM, William Hermans  wrote:
> 
> That depends what one wants to do John. Such a board with additional hardware 
> could be made to do the same job as any embedded system.
> 
> So, what if you need just a few embedded peripherals, but need an incredibly 
> solid M.E.A.N. stack ? Mongo is currently not fully functional on armhf 
> ABI's. So in this context it makes perfect sense. I can probably also dream 
> up other situations as well if i cared to.
> 
> Cost wise, it may not make sense, and efficiency wise it also may not make 
> sense. But these are factors that not everyone cares about.
> 
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 2:10 PM, John Syne  > wrote:
> I’m not sure how you make this comparison. You are comparing a processor to a 
> SOC (System on Chip). The AM5728 has direct access to GPIO, SPI, I2C, PCIe, 
> USB3, UART, etc. The Pentium does not have direct access to these, but access 
> PCI, USB3, UART via North/South bridge. No direct access to any of the other 
> peripherals supported by the AM5728. In addition, the AM5728 supports Dual 
> CortexM4, Dual DSP and Quad PRU. Comparing these boards makes no sense. They 
> are used for completely different markets. 
> 
> Regards,
> John
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 21, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Graham > > wrote:
>> 
>> Intel NUC. 
>> Your choice of Celeron, Pentium, i3, i5 or i7. (uses laptop processors)
>> 4 inches by 4 inches circuit board.
>> You can get a quad core 2.4 GHz Pentium (including a case) for less than the 
>> X-15. 
>> Go to Amazon.com , search for "Intel NUC NUC5PPYH"
>> (The X-15 now seems to be up to $259 USD at Mouser, with deliveries starting 
>> this month.)
>> The NUC still needs plug-in DRAM, a laptop disk drive, and an OS.
>> Works fine with Linux.
>> If you want to run a bunch of GPIO, you will have to go out through FTDI USB 
>> to I2C or SPI, then use expander IC's.
>> 
>> --- Graham
>> 
>> ==
>> 
>> On Sunday, February 21, 2016 at 10:47:31 AM UTC-6, sarev_...@yahoo.co.uk 
>>  wrote:
>> Are there any other boards out there with a comparable spec to the X15? I'd 
>> like to see what else is available, especially with this kind of chipset and 
>> performance.
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Re: [beagleboard] Anything similar

[William Hermans]

That depends what one wants to do John. Such a board with additional
hardware could be made to do the same job as any embedded system.

So, what if you need just a few embedded peripherals, but need an
incredibly solid M.E.A.N. stack ? Mongo is currently not fully functional
on armhf ABI's. So in this context it makes perfect sense. I can probably
also dream up other situations as well if i cared to.

Cost wise, it may not make sense, and efficiency wise it also may not make
sense. But these are factors that not everyone cares about.

On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 2:10 PM, John Syne  wrote:

> I’m not sure how you make this comparison. You are comparing a processor
> to a SOC (System on Chip). The AM5728 has direct access to GPIO, SPI, I2C,
> PCIe, USB3, UART, etc. The Pentium does not have direct access to these,
> but access PCI, USB3, UART via North/South bridge. No direct access to any
> of the other peripherals supported by the AM5728. In addition, the AM5728
> supports Dual CortexM4, Dual DSP and Quad PRU. Comparing these boards makes
> no sense. They are used for completely different markets.
>
> Regards,
> John
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 21, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Graham  wrote:
>
> Intel NUC.
> Your choice of Celeron, Pentium, i3, i5 or i7. (uses laptop processors)
> 4 inches by 4 inches circuit board.
> You can get a quad core 2.4 GHz Pentium (including a case) for less than
> the X-15.
> Go to Amazon.com , search for "Intel NUC NUC5PPYH"
> (The X-15 now seems to be up to $259 USD at Mouser, with deliveries
> starting this month.)
> The NUC still needs plug-in DRAM, a laptop disk drive, and an OS.
> Works fine with Linux.
> If you want to run a bunch of GPIO, you will have to go out through FTDI
> USB to I2C or SPI, then use expander IC's.
>
> --- Graham
>
> ==
>
> On Sunday, February 21, 2016 at 10:47:31 AM UTC-6, sarev_...@yahoo.co.uk
> wrote:
>>
>> Are there any other boards out there with a comparable spec to the X15?
>> I'd like to see what else is available, especially with this kind of
>> chipset and performance.
>>
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Re: [beagleboard] Anything similar

[John Syne]

I’m not sure how you make this comparison. You are comparing a processor to a 
SOC (System on Chip). The AM5728 has direct access to GPIO, SPI, I2C, PCIe, 
USB3, UART, etc. The Pentium does not have direct access to these, but access 
PCI, USB3, UART via North/South bridge. No direct access to any of the other 
peripherals supported by the AM5728. In addition, the AM5728 supports Dual 
CortexM4, Dual DSP and Quad PRU. Comparing these boards makes no sense. They 
are used for completely different markets. 

Regards,
John




> On Feb 21, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Graham  wrote:
> 
> Intel NUC. 
> Your choice of Celeron, Pentium, i3, i5 or i7. (uses laptop processors)
> 4 inches by 4 inches circuit board.
> You can get a quad core 2.4 GHz Pentium (including a case) for less than the 
> X-15. 
> Go to Amazon.com, search for "Intel NUC NUC5PPYH"
> (The X-15 now seems to be up to $259 USD at Mouser, with deliveries starting 
> this month.)
> The NUC still needs plug-in DRAM, a laptop disk drive, and an OS.
> Works fine with Linux.
> If you want to run a bunch of GPIO, you will have to go out through FTDI USB 
> to I2C or SPI, then use expander IC's.
> 
> --- Graham
> 
> ==
> 
> On Sunday, February 21, 2016 at 10:47:31 AM UTC-6, sarev_...@yahoo.co.uk 
> wrote:
> Are there any other boards out there with a comparable spec to the X15? I'd 
> like to see what else is available, especially with this kind of chipset and 
> performance.
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[beagleboard] Anything similar

[sarev_of_aona]

Are there any other boards out there with a comparable spec to the X15? I'd 
like to see what else is available, especially with this kind of chipset 
and performance.

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