Re: re; Innova - HATE IT!/ Now Hips/Elbows

2002-11-08 Thread Ray Pat Burgett
Rusty Proper care is the key *** That is what I said and I agree with you. , proper care taking of the genes for they say it alland the genes are in the breeders hands ***Boy, do I agree with you again, BUT you can breed from a good line of dogs with lots of good health and Mother Nature

Re: re; Innova - HATE IT!/ Now Hips/Elbows

2002-11-08 Thread olecrone
From: Ray Pat Burgett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Proper care is the key *** That is what I said and I agree with you. Cool, then everyone can get off everyone's case and stop the pointing fingers do xrays and then not breed those dogs that throw the bad orthos together! They your breed will be

Re: re; Innova - HATE IT!/ Now Hips/Elbows

2002-11-08 Thread Ray Pat Burgett
Rusty C and Good Company I will not debate this subject any longer on the L as it has been done hundreds of times. But if I read what you wrote correctly we would have to eliminate all bloodlines from the Gene Pool as you will never find a blood line that has not had a health problem of some

Re: re; Innova - HATE IT!

2002-11-06 Thread Leon Lesley Rouillier
Judy, How unfortunate. We have had exactly the opposite experience. All our puppies leave here with Innova adult being the first recommended kibble to the new owners (we do prefer raw). The stats for orthepedics of these dogs has been everything a breeder could hope for. Of course, there

Re: re; Innova - HATE IT!

2002-11-06 Thread Jeff Mary Chapdelaine - SnoBear berners
From: Mary-Ann Bowman bad orthopedics are not caused by food -- it is in the genes I am afraid. Mary-Ann and all, I have to totally disagree that bad orthopedics are not/can not be caused by food. While heredity is a major factor you can *cause* orthopedic problems in a sound puppy, from sound

Re: re; Innova - HATE IT!

2002-11-06 Thread Mary-Ann Bowman
I am very interested in the evidence you have to support those conclusion -- not personal opinion because that is always swayed by what we would like to believe -- but some real evidence. The OFA reports this on their website: Can Environment or Food Cause or Prevent HD? No, hip dysplasia is a

Re: re; Innova - HATE IT!/ Now Hips/Elbows

2002-11-06 Thread Ray Pat Burgett
Here is question. If a puppy x-rayed 12 months would have fair hips. What would that puppy have at 12 months if it had been jogged with its owner on sidewalks or blacktop roads at a very young age. My guess is that its hips would be worse than fair. That is just my opinion for what's its worth.

Re: re; Innova - HATE IT!

2002-11-06 Thread Annes4
In a message dated 11/06/2002 3:39:19 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mind you, I am not saying that is what you are doing but I for one am rather tired of hearing excuses for bad orthopedics, and I am especially sick of hearing it blamed on the owners (bad food, jumped

Re: re; Innova - HATE IT!

2002-11-06 Thread Eileen Morgan
My three were all fed Innova as puppies. Mic and Nessie have excellent hips and Lliira good hips. Eileen Morgan The Mare's Nest http://www.enter.net/~edlehman - Original Message - From: mtndog [EMAIL PROTECTED] Every dog I have ever seen fed as a puppy on Innova has orthopedic problems.