Sharon wrote:
| I don't think Mary-Ann is being close-minded about the
| impact of nutrition on development of HD. Nutrition
| can and does have an impact - but it is NOT the root
| cause of HD - GENETICS is the cause. Mary-Ann is
| absolutely right that breeders need to take
| responsibility
In a message dated 11/11/2002 5:45:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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***The point I am trying to make is that nutrition can cause HD in a dog. It
is possible to improperly feed a puppy during it's developmental years and
have a dog that has messed up hips as a result.
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There has been some buzz about a possible Berner in a shelter in Rogers,
Arkansas. Last month, in conjunction with the Heartland Club rescue people,
I had my sister, who lives near Rogers, go and see this dog. She took her
digital camera and sent me several photos. I kept in close touch with
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Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 22:06:06 CST
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Subject: BERNER-L digest 4108
BERNER-L Digest 4108
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Surprised?! - Hip and Elbow testing
Beau has been doing great with his new family (as he sits under my computer
desk, on my feet, while I write)
His first day brings me a laugh -- I'm sitting in my office, working away,
and I hear Beau pass gas -- it was pretty loud. I kind of chuckle (girl or
not, farts ARE funny -- it's the
Hi Kim,
I am looking for my first Berner puppy,
If anyone knows of any good Berner breeders in Ohio or
nearby area I would love to talk to them and ask them some questions.
The best way to find the right breeder for you is by using the regional
club(s) in your area. You'll find links to
Clear DayHi everybody,
In December, on my visit to family and friends in Switzerland, I'll be
picking up a BMD pup Bijou to bring to the USA. The pup will be ca. 11 weeks
old then. My breeder wants to know if Bijou needs a rabbies shot besides a
health certificate. I visited the Center for
Is it POSSIBLE that some who are most convinced that nutrition is a cause of
dysplasia are attempting to rationalize breeding, for example, a bitch with
no elbow clearances from a mother with no elbow clearances? Is it easier to
blame nutrition (or injury) rather than just admit that the elbows in
Hello,
I am looking for breeder's/rescuers of all breeds, impute for a page I'm
creating on my site.
I am only interested in breeders or rescuers experiences, who Early spay
their puppies, and who would be willing to give me their first hand
experiences to quote.
Please note: I will be placing
Today Liz gets to go home -- after talking to her on
Saturday I am in awe of her Ortho. surgeon! It is
amazing she has not been in pain with her 'old' hip
joint the Dr. said the ball socket was in 3 pieces.
Lots of bone damage she had to have bone graft and her
femur was cracked while doing the
I heard on the radio the other day (pet show) not to give dogs grapes
raisins.at least for right now. For some unknown reason, they are toxic
to dogs several have died. The ASPCA has given out this warning, but no
one knows why they are presently toxic. Tests have been done of grapes both
Hi Jen,
Your puppy sounds very typical, lots of mischief in his heart:-))
Do not supplement him with calcium, it is not good for large breed puppies
to have calcium added to their diet unless they are totally fed a raw meat
diet which in itself is not good. We have many people on this list who
Carol Wrote: Nobody has mentioned what to feed or
how to feed the Berner dog. I'm sure there are as many
opinions on that subject as the other.
Carol,
You brought up a great point for an obvious newbie.
And you're right - there are MANY opinions on what to
feed a berner. Many are valid, some
Kathryn wrote:
I heard on the radio the other day (pet show) not to give dogs grapes
raisins.at least for right now. For some unknown reason, they are toxic
to dogs several have died. snip
Here is the url to the ASPCA Canine Poison Control Center's Information on
Grape Raisin Toxicity:
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Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 12:36 PM
Subject: BERNER-L digest 4113
BERNER-L Digest 4113
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re:
Jessie --
My recommendation is to seek the advice of your breeder. Caring/involved
breeders know best what is right for your dog. They may have given you this
info when you picked up your puppy - look through the paperwork you
received, or call them.
In lieu of recommendation from your breeder,
Jenn Popp wrote: However nutrition, particularly
excesses, affects bone development in many ways that
are detrimental
Amen! Thanks Jenn, great point. I wish more people
understood this fact as it relates to growing large
breed puppies.
Bernerly,
Esther Wilson
http://www.wilpowerkennels.com
please take me off the mailing list. Thank you.
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BERNER-L Digest 4113
PREplease stop sending me this thanks
Hi,
I think one should address what is causing the howl and not adding to a
potential stress situation. In my experience puppies howl because they are
unhappy and/or lonely. I would not want to hear of any corrective measures
being taken against a puppy that is protesting perhaps being in a crate!
Melissa,
Thank you for sharing your experience with HD. You do
have a point regarding the breeding dogs. I'm not
sure that I could personally try to stress to the max
to make sure the dog is unaffected, but I can
appreciate the value in doing that.
As a breeder, I usually have more dogs than
Hi,
A nice bone stripped of excess fat and most of the marrow removed will
keep chewing puppies amused, flavoured nylabones serve as well. No frozen
cloths, no matter how vigilant you are it teaches a bad habit and in
reality where will you be when he chews up some clothing.
Rose Tierney
Mary-Ann wrote: Is it POSSIBLE that some who are
most convinced that nutrition is a cause of dysplasia
are attempting to rationalize breeding
Mary-Ann,
Its my personal thought that you're attempting to
dissect something into black and white that has no
absolutes. The variables are as many as
Oh yes -- BIG loophole!! If it is the owner's fault that the puppy is
dysplasic, then it can't possibly be because the breeding choice was
unwise/uninformed/bad luck. And if it is nutrition/injury/voodoo/whatever,
then there is no reason not to breed another generation of bad elbows so
that more
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I am talking about hip and elbow dysplasia -- not all possible bone issues
with a Bernese Mountain Dog. I do not have enough information to have an
opinion about all possible bone problems, but I do have enough information
to state that elbow and hip dysplasia are inherited diseases.
Since these
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My husband and I are new owners to a Berner, and as such are very uneducated. I
joined this list in hopes that I could learn what is needed to take care of our
'baby'. I hope this is the right forum, if not please forgive me.
Here is my first question.
I need to know how to trim 'Thor's'
If a dog is fed too much, but does NOT have the genes
for HD, it will NOT develop HD.
If a dog is fed too much, and DOES have the genes for
HD, it WILL develop HD.
I had always understood that HD was not just a genetic thing and that diet
and inappropriate exercise are also contributing
In a message dated 11/11/2002 1:05:16 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I cannot imagine telling my puppy buyers, get 'em nice and fat and run
'em til they drop, so I will really know whether they got the HD genes or
not.
This is why it is so important that research into
Hi All,
I had a cat that ate some part of the Poinsetta every year for a number of years and
it never made him sick. I got them every year because I'd heard they were not harmful
despite old warnings going around. He did die at 11 years old from kidney failure
which I beleive was caused by him
I am interested in the opinions of others on the breeding of dogs or bitches
that are HD Fair. I do not think such dogs should be a part of a breeding
program and wish to hear how others feel about this.
Specifically, Berners, of course.
Lisa Allen
I thought my Berner Daphane (1983-1993) was
Well, I was on a clean out my inbox spree ... And accidentally deleted
the email someone sent me on how he grooms his Berner .. D'OH!! The
archive on the list seems broken (links take to file not found)
So, if the person that sent me their tips could please resend them to me
... I'd appreciate
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Lisa,
The current BMDCA Code Of Ethics, section C states,
C. Ideally x-ray for evidence of hip dysplasia at age of two years or
older, treating mild cases as they would any other fault, and excluding from
breeding programs dogs with more severe evidence of hip dysplasia.
OFA says it is the
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If my dog ate 2 lbs of raisins I would be worried about how they
would come out the other end.
I feed my dogs 5-10 grapes a day once or twice a week. They love um!
Moderation is the key.
Dean Scott
Kutztown, Pa.
Curious about the current thoughts of giving rimadryl versus etochesic
(sorry if I have these spelled wrong) for arthritis pain in an older
Berner (11). One vet says etochesic is better on the liver -- which is
the first to go on older dogs; the other say rimadryl is better as
etochesic is hard on
Rancher Roy did allow his Berner pup to play with his mutt and his adult
Border Collie and consequently his dog's breeder will not answer his
telephone calls. The pup screamed so piteously when kept from the adult
dogs that Ray's heart just melted like butter...
Fortunately, there are two
Someone's been busy, we have a bunch of links to Berner Stuff in the
Berner Links directory! Go to www.berner.org, select Links Directory,
then select Stuff
There's a link to some new stuffed dogs, but I didn't see Berners, did I
miss it?
Enjoy!!!
And thanks to the links elf!!
Pat Long (
So we buy a puppy from a breeder and she limps and we discover that she has
elbow dysplasia in one elbow and surgery is recommended. We get a second
opinion -- same diagnosis and recommendation. Now what does/should a good
breeder do??? We all agree that blaming the poor owner is not the correct
When I bought a BMD when I still lived in The Netherlands, the contract said
that if there were any healthproblems with the dog, the breeder would
reimburse me for 50% of the vet costs. When my Boris needed surgery and both
his front legs and later developped severe HD which required hip
Fair means clear. Fair hips get a number. I feel to abolish a dog from a
breeding program soley based on fair hips would not be a decision I would
make. Let us think about a champion bitch with clear elbows, great
temperament, breed type and strong pedigreewould you really not breed
her
Another post from the volunteer the shelter.
In a message dated 11/11/2002 1:11:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thanks! These definately are Berners. Our humane
investigators rescued them from a puppymill in
Pennsylvania.
The boy is a big goofball at the moment (as
On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:05:48 -0700 Mary-Ann Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Spoke with a breeder whose name was public when it showed up on
auction
pedigrees. This man told me that he will give a refund for a
dysplasic
dog -- if the owner returns the dog to him. After all, he told me,
Mary-Ann,
Here's my take as an owner -- if such a case arose with me I would hope the breeder
would be sympathetic, offer to refund cost of pup NOT asking for pup back or to be
euthanized.Depending on their breeding program I would like to contemplate a
possible replacement pup down the
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My Buhund bitch came up with HD at 2 years old ... My sales
agreement/health agreement was VERY VAGUE ... No no, downright stuipd
... It said she guaranteed the dog free from ALL GENETIC DEFECTS
(because both parents had OFA and CERF #'s!!!) ... I could've sued her
for damages (spoke with attorney
Hello everyone,
This is about the 2 eight month old Berners that are in a
shelter in NOVA. I live in Washington DC and would be happy
to help in anyway as I'm sure the shelter would not be too
difficult to find. If the Potomac valley club is already
involved in their rescue and would like to
Hi All:
Was called by a friend today that they seen some Bernese puppies in the
Vancouver province, plus some Bernese cross puppies. I hope that someone
living down in that area can give/get more info on these pups? If they are
from a reputable breeder and question on the price of them, they
I remember receiving information about a web site where I can register
my pedigree berner puppy from the the Netherlands. Unfortunately I lost
my email history in a computer snafu. Can someone direct me to the site?
I looked at the national berner site, Berner.org but it did not
reference the web
Good question, and one that I can only answer from the buyer's side.
I'm a bit strange, I don't want a guarantee. What I want is a breeder
who is honest, has done the best job they could to produce a litter of
healthy puppies, shares all the known health information about the
lines, and a breeder
I'm WAY behind on reading my L so if this has already appeared, I
apologize. Today in a local pharmacy my Berner antennae when into full buzz
mode as I spied what was undeniably a Berner plush toy several aisles away.
Pounced scooped up a very adorable toy Berner puppy. In fact, I rescued
all 3
On 11 Nov 02, at 10:08, Sharon Montville wrote:
Thank you for sharing your experience with HD. You do
have a point regarding the breeding dogs. I'm not
sure that I could personally try to stress to the max
to make sure the dog is unaffected, but I can
appreciate the value in doing that.
Thought I'd retake the What Breed of Dog are You test again after several
months. Guess what - I came out a Bernese Mountain Dog - again. Only 14% of
US respondents are BMD's.
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