[Bikies] crash @ Mdvale/Mineral Pt

2016-09-15 Thread via Bikies
I saw this yesterday on my way to work: http://www.channel3000.com/news/Bicyclist-hit-at-intersection-when-driver-runs-red-light-officials-say/41667212 The article says they were "non-life threatening" injuries. It also says: The driver of the truck, a 36-year-old man, was cited for a red

Re: [Bikies] crash @ Mdvale/Mineral Pt

2016-09-15 Thread Clayton Griessmeyer via Bikies
In addition to the vulnerable user law, we should encourage prosecutors to file and try these cases (especially where a fellow cyclist is gone forever), rather than just allow the prosecutor to claim they don’t think they can win if it goes to trial. One side loses every single jury trial that

Re: [Bikies] crash @ Mdvale/Mineral Pt

2016-09-15 Thread Peter Gray via Bikies
"What's the penalty for carelessly not-quite-killing someone?" Often nothing. (also true if you remove the "not-quite" from your question) Here's a recent Wisconsin Bike Fed blog post about this issue: Fines Total $248 for Falling Asleep, Killing Father of Three

Re: [Bikies] crash @ Mdvale/Mineral Pt

2016-09-15 Thread John Rider via Bikies
This is going to take a consistent effort from lots of people to solve. Whenever we see someone use the term “accident,” we need to call them out and educate them to use the word “crash.” Any radio report, any newspaper report, where ever. There was just an article on Active.com entitled

Re: [Bikies] crash @ Mdvale/Mineral Pt

2016-09-15 Thread Peter Gray via Bikies
+1 to Kevin: "Unfortunately, it has become so ingrained in our culture that these things are just 'accidents' that it will be difficult to see a shift in holding people accountable." Personally I get that there's a difference between negligence and intent, when it comes to applying criminal

Re: [Bikies] crash @ Mdvale/Mineral Pt

2016-09-15 Thread William Hauda via Bikies
I echo John Rider's comments about describing these incidents as "accidents." Accidents have no cause, but the deaths of cyclists do. On 9/15/2016 11:11 PM, John Rider via Bikies wrote: This is going to take a consistent effort from lots of people to solve. Whenever we see someone use

Re: [Bikies] crash @ Mdvale/Mineral Pt

2016-09-15 Thread Kevin Luecke via Bikies
There was a good piece in the State Journal a while back about charges being filed (or not) in the case of car-bike crashes: http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/when-cyclists-die-a-closer-look-at-dane-county-crashes/article_d5068be2-0ff0-5b21-a31f-891890c9daf1.html I agree with Peter about the