Re: [Blackbelly] dispatching gun

2015-04-01 Thread Rick Krach
Thanks to all the people helping with gun info.  I will definitely find another 
gun than my .22.  I do agree with the curiousness of the avma website because 
to shoot an animal on the top of the head, one would have to be holding it; and 
if that were the case, I would just slit its throat. 


Rick Krach
in Auburn, CA 



 1. Re: dispatching gun (Steve)
 

 On 3/30/2015 11:23 AM, Stephan A Wildeus wrote:
 Here is a link to the AVMA guidelines on euthanasia in animals:
 https://www.avma.org/KB/Policies/Documents/euthanasia.pdf

 The description on sheep and goats starts on page 55, and includes a diagram 
 on where and at what angle the gunshot should be placed, along with a quick 
 discussion on pros and cons on different types of guns and ammunition to be 
 used.

 Regards,
 Stephan


 Stephan Wildeus, Ph.D., PAS, Dipl. ACAP
 Research Professor ? Small Ruminants
 Box 9061
 Agricultural Research Station
 Virginia State University
 Petersburg, VA 23806

 e-mail: swild...@vsu.edu
 Ph.: 804-524-6716
 Fax: 804-524-5186



 -Original Message-
 From: Blackbelly [mailto:blackbelly-boun...@lists.blackbellysheep.info] On 
 Behalf Of Steve
 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 12:30 AM
 To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
 Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] dispatching gun

 This is one of the better diagrams I have seen. Since this shows where the 
 brain is, and how small it is. It also gives you some sight lines to follow.
 However for Blackbellies, think about how thick their foreheads must be from 
 all the head butting. I would never attempt a frontal line, especially with 
 a small caliber round.


 -Steve

  
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Re: [Blackbelly] Identifying Lambs

2015-04-01 Thread Carol Elkins
I put newborn lambs and their dams in a lambing jug as soon after 
birth as I can, and they remain there for a couple days; more if 
there are any problems. A lambing jug allows me to monitor both the 
ewe and her lambs to ensure that the lambs are getting sufficient 
milk and are otherwise healthy. The ewe appreciates being separated 
from the flock because she would do that naturally to protect her 
lambs. It enables a first-time mom to bond with her lambs. But most 
importantly, it enables me to catch the little buggers to apply ear 
tags. I apply them at age 2 days. I use the small brass tags sold by 
Premier at 
http://www.premier1supplies.com/detail.php?prod_id=122670cat_id=103 
because in my experience, any larger tag will rip a lamb's tender 
ear. I apply scrapie tags only to adult sheep and ONLY if they are 
leaving my farm.


A lambing jug can be a temporary enclosure and measure 6x6 ft or in 
my case 3 x 12. You can see photos of my lambing jugs at 
http://critterhaven.biz/info/articles/barn_setup.htm. I built these 
permanent ones after using scrap chainlink for a couple of years to 
experiment with the idea.


Carol


At 10:26 AM 3/31/2015, you wrote:

So, how do you all identify your lambs? At what age do you typically ear
tag?


Carol Elkins
Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep
(no shear, no dock, no fuss)
Pueblo, Colorado
http://www.critterhaven.biz

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Re: [Blackbelly] dispatching gun

2015-04-01 Thread Steve
I think what is nice about that diagram is not so much the angle of the 
shot line that it gives you, but more the location of the brain.  Then 
you can pick your own angle which will best suit your circumstances.  If 
an animal is sick and on the ground then you can line up for a top of 
the head angle.  If the animal is still walking then either a head gate 
to secure it, and like you said you could then severe the neck, or you 
could line up an angle for a shot at a distance.  Of course you will 
need to take into acct that distance vs caliber of gun, also how far 
that caliber will reach past the animal as well.


For the number of animals that one might need to dispatch, I can't 
imagine buying a gun strictly for that purpose.  So I would also try and 
figure out what else you could use it for.  Which is tough for the 
Auburn area.  The best I got might be a snake gun.  So another thought 
could be a shotgun such as a 20 gauge, or a 410 with slugs. Im not a gun 
expert so not sure how much of a mess that might make. Also accuracy 
will drop for a shotgun vs a rifle.  I think I would look at a .223 or a 
.243 as options.  So then it would come down to cost of ammo.  Since a 
.223 is also a NATO round, this should be much more accessible and 
cheaper ammo.  I have not shot a .223, but I'd imagine it is still small 
enough that you might get away with not disturbing your neighbors too 
much up there.


If I were to add a rifle to my current collection which includes .308 
and .22, I would choose .223.  It would be my in between gun. If money 
was not a concern, I'd find a pre 1968 lever action 30-30 or .357.  
Those things make you feel like an Old West cowboy.


I hope this helps some more.

-Steve






On 3/31/2015 8:35 PM, Rick Krach wrote:

Thanks to all the people helping with gun info.  I will definitely find another gun than 
my .22.  I do agree with the curiousness of the avma website because to shoot 
an animal on the top of the head, one would have to be holding it; and if that were the 
case, I would just slit its throat.


Rick Krach
in Auburn, CA




1. Re: dispatching gun (Steve)

On 3/30/2015 11:23 AM, Stephan A Wildeus wrote:

Here is a link to the AVMA guidelines on euthanasia in animals:
https://www.avma.org/KB/Policies/Documents/euthanasia.pdf

The description on sheep and goats starts on page 55, and includes a diagram on 
where and at what angle the gunshot should be placed, along with a quick 
discussion on pros and cons on different types of guns and ammunition to be 
used.

Regards,
Stephan


Stephan Wildeus, Ph.D., PAS, Dipl. ACAP
Research Professor ? Small Ruminants
Box 9061
Agricultural Research Station
Virginia State University
Petersburg, VA 23806

e-mail: swild...@vsu.edu
Ph.: 804-524-6716
Fax: 804-524-5186



-Original Message-
From: Blackbelly [mailto:blackbelly-boun...@lists.blackbellysheep.info] On 
Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 12:30 AM
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] dispatching gun

This is one of the better diagrams I have seen. Since this shows where the 
brain is, and how small it is. It also gives you some sight lines to follow.
However for Blackbellies, think about how thick their foreheads must be from 
all the head butting. I would never attempt a frontal line, especially with a 
small caliber round.


-Steve


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