Re: new NETWM key grabber

2002-07-13 Thread Alexander Volovics
On Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 10:16:18PM -0500, Ben Jansens wrote: So, work has begun as of tonight on a next generation key handler for blackbox. It will be written against the NETWM spec as much as possible. But, we're not sure just what kind of feature people out there want in their

Re: new NETWM key grabber

2002-07-13 Thread Robert
On Sat, 13 Jul 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 10:16:18PM -0500, Ben Jansens wrote: Do you use the window list cycling currently found in bbkeys? Yes As a counterbalance to all the yes'es, I don't, I use Prev/NextWorkspace a lot and tend to keep a window a

Re: start app in specific workspace

2002-07-13 Thread Robert
Having just installed bblaunch, I notice some misleading messages $ bblaunch -s -w 4 pan # no errors $ bblaunch -s -w 5 pan Warning: XGetCommand can't allocate enough memory Yes there is a workspace 5 and it starts anyway (in wksp 5) Also bblaunch -w 4 emacs -q Warning: XGetCommand can't

Re: start app in specific workspace

2002-07-13 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On 13-Jul-2002 Robert wrote: Having just installed bblaunch, I notice some misleading messages $ bblaunch -s -w 4 pan # no errors $ bblaunch -s -w 5 pan Warning: XGetCommand can't allocate enough memory Yes there is a workspace 5 and it starts anyway (in wksp 5) Also bblaunch -w 4

Re: new NETWM key grabber

2002-07-13 Thread Roman Neuhauser
From: Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 08:45:01 +0100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: new NETWM key grabber On Sat, 13 Jul 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 10:16:18PM -0500, Ben Jansens wrote: Do you use the window list cycling currently found in

Re: Blackbox/GNOME conflicts

2002-07-13 Thread Marco Fioretti
On Fri, Jul 12, 2002 23:08:34 at 11:08:34PM +, David Barr wrote: hi, if you are using gnome2 you could use openbox ( http://openbox.sunsite.dk/ ) which is net_wm /gnome complient, and basically blackbox(+), plus it's pretty spiffy. if you are using gnome1.x i don't know. david

Re: Blackbox/GNOME conflicts

2002-07-13 Thread Marco Fioretti
On Fri, Jul 12, 2002 10:04:54 at 10:04:54AM -0500, Jamin W. Collins wrote: What sessions are available for selection in the menus of the GDM screen, or are there any? I'm at home now, will check monday, but as far as I remember it says last, failsafe, default, gnome. I tried yesterday to

Re: Blackbox/GNOME conflicts

2002-07-13 Thread Marco Fioretti
On Fri, Jul 12, 2002 14:14:12 at 02:14:12PM -0700, paul wrote: Here's what I do on the RedHat/Gnome system at school: - Log into to Failsafe Xterm mode. This gives me an xterm with no window frame, but if I move the mouse over it, I can enter commands. - Run an executable script named

Re: Blackbox/GNOME conflicts

2002-07-13 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
I didn't know about openbox. In the office I have stock RH 7.2, which doesn't have gnome 2 has it? I'll try it at home, though. openbox is a fork of blackbox 0.62.1. They basically did a lot of the same work as the 0.65 series (STL, cleanups) as well as new stuff -- netwm, wheel mouse,

grouping windows

2002-07-13 Thread Roman Neuhauser
Sorry if this is a complete nonsense, but is it possible now / after some coding to have blackbox treat several windows as one? It would've saved me a few seconds (and writing this email :) right now if I could somehow move several windows across the screen at once. -- FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE

Re: new NETWM key grabber

2002-07-13 Thread Roy Wood
Mouse movements and clicks are triggered by keys. This way the bb menu is access, too. The author even points out, that it would be nice to include these tools in bbkeys. I did some tweaking last night and have a patch nearly ready. It supports movement of the pointer via the keyboard, as

Re: Blackbox/GNOME conflicts

2002-07-13 Thread D. Olson
On Saturday 13 July 2002 05:06 am, you wrote: So basically if you want a specific feature not in blackbox and going over to fluxbox scares you then openbox may be then solution until blackbox acquires your feature. Just out of curiousity, why would Fluxbox scare anyone? -- D. Olson The

Re: Blackbox/GNOME conflicts

2002-07-13 Thread Ben Jansens
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 13 July 2002 4:06 am, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: I didn't know about openbox. In the office I have stock RH 7.2, which doesn't have gnome 2 has it? I'll try it at home, though. openbox is a fork of blackbox 0.62.1. For the record.

Re: new NETWM key grabber

2002-07-13 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
It would still be nice to have Blackbox support showing the menu in response to a bbkey event. It would also be nice to have Balckbox support navigation of the menu via the arrow keys. There seems to be a lot of resistance to doing this in Blackbox though. Whatever. the goal is to

RE: grouping windows

2002-07-13 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On 13-Jul-2002 Roman Neuhauser wrote: Sorry if this is a complete nonsense, but is it possible now / after some coding to have blackbox treat several windows as one? It would've saved me a few seconds (and writing this email :) right now if I could somehow move several windows across the

Re: Mandrake Linux menus

2002-07-13 Thread paul
D. Olson declaimed: Thanks. I think all I would need is the fluxbox script, but I'll take all the help I can get. I have set up my menus just the way I like it. The only thing that would make it the best is if I can autoupdate one of my submenus automagically. That's my next goal, to

Re: Blackbox/GNOME conflicts

2002-07-13 Thread paul
Marco Fioretti declaimed: On Fri, Jul 12, 2002 14:14:12 at 02:14:12PM -0700, paul wrote: Here's what I do on the RedHat/Gnome system at school: - Log into to Failsafe Xterm mode. This gives me an xterm with no window frame, but if I move the mouse over it, I can enter commands. -

bbmenu? [Was: Re: new NETWM key grabber]

2002-07-13 Thread mattias/spikboll
On Sat, 13 Jul 2002 09:40:43 -0700 (PDT) Sean 'Shaleh' Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would still be nice to have Blackbox support showing the menu in response to a bbkey event. It would also be nice to have Balckbox support navigation of the menu via the arrow keys. There seems

RE: bbmenu? [Was: Re: new NETWM key grabber]

2002-07-13 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
Why not take out the menu and call it bbmenu? It could have its own keybindings or be incorporated with bbkeys somehow. Doing this you would have to let people decide for themself (probably in .blackboxrc) what a right-click on the background should start. This may be a bad idea, I don't

Re: bbmenu? [Was: Re: new NETWM key grabber]

2002-07-13 Thread Ben Jansens
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 13 July 2002 1:18 pm, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: Why not take out the menu and call it bbmenu? It could have its own keybindings or be incorporated with bbkeys somehow. Doing this you would have to let people decide for themself

Re: bbmenu? [Was: Re: new NETWM key grabber]

2002-07-13 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
That is in fact how oroborus (an even more minimalistic window manager than blackbox) has always functioned. It provides no menus internally. sawfish too, and others. Personally, I believe a wm should be usable without 3rd party additions. Not 100% how we'd like, but usable.

Re: bbmenu? [Was: Re: new NETWM key grabber]

2002-07-13 Thread Jamin W . Collins
On Sat, 13 Jul 2002 11:18:05 -0700 (PDT) Sean 'Shaleh' Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once the bblib is available the menu code from blackbox will be public. Someone could easily implement this idea then. I was just thinking about this. It could even be made to display the same menu as BB

Re: bbmenu? [Was: Re: new NETWM key grabber]

2002-07-13 Thread Ben Jansens
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 13 July 2002 1:50 pm, Jamin W. Collins wrote: On Sat, 13 Jul 2002 11:18:05 -0700 (PDT) Sean 'Shaleh' Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once the bblib is available the menu code from blackbox will be public. Someone could easily

Re: bbmenu? [Was: Re: new NETWM key grabber]

2002-07-13 Thread Jamin W . Collins
On Sat, 13 Jul 2002 14:01:15 -0500 Ben Jansens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thats a lot of extra overhead for a minimalitic world. :\ It would be preferable if blackbox extensions were added as hooks for menu interaction. Even just for popup. Didn't say it was a perfect solution. However, if

Re: bbmenu? [Was: Re: new NETWM key grabber]

2002-07-13 Thread Ben Jansens
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 13 July 2002 2:07 pm, Jamin W. Collins wrote: On Sat, 13 Jul 2002 14:01:15 -0500 Ben Jansens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thats a lot of extra overhead for a minimalitic world. :\ It would be preferable if blackbox extensions were

Re: new NETWM key grabber

2002-07-13 Thread Scott Furt
Derek Cunningham wrote: On Thu, Jul11,02 16:39, Gerrit Hoetzel wrote: What I WOULD like to see is an emacs-like ability to string characters together. ie: CTRL+Z+R will perform some action, and CTRL+Z+T will perform some other action. Think that's doable? Or maybe distinguish sth. like vi's

Re: Blackbox/GNOME conflicts

2002-07-13 Thread Marco Fioretti
On Sat, Jul 13, 2002 18:08:43 at 06:08:43PM -0400, Scott Furt wrote: What happens if you try to kill X with CTL+ALT+BKSP or similar methods ? Ach, I didn't think about it at all... :-( I'll try it monday, it would really solve it for good! Ciao, Marco Fioretti --

Re: Blackbox/GNOME conflicts

2002-07-13 Thread Gerrit Hoetzel
On Sat, Jul 13, 2002 at 06:08:43PM -0400 Scott Furt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep in mind that I don't need GNOME at all, I just got it with the PC, and, again, requests to change the default install, i.e. to mess with gdm or such, are going to be ignored, for the more or less right

Re: Blackbox/GNOME conflicts

2002-07-13 Thread Gerrit Hoetzel
On Fri, Jul 12, 2002 at 03:54:04PM +0200 Marco Fioretti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, here at work I've been finally given a PC with Linux Red Hat 7.2 and blackbox-0.61.1-2. Distro and/or blackbox version cannot be changed because of company policies too shameful to discuss them here.

alt and ctrl hotkeys

2002-07-13 Thread neuron
Posted this thread on a messageboard not related to bb, and got in reply that I may wanna try this mailing list, so I am :) running Maya on linux is SWEET, but .. I can't seem to get it working well in my favorite window managers. Currenty, it works FINE in enlightenment, I haven't tried kde

Re: new NETWM key grabber

2002-07-13 Thread Es Bee Ex
On Sat, 13 Jul 2002 18:13:04 -0400 Scott Furt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Derek Cunningham wrote: On Thu, Jul11,02 16:39, Gerrit Hoetzel wrote: What I WOULD like to see is an emacs-like ability to string characters together. ie: CTRL+Z+R will perform some action, and CTRL+Z+T will perform

RE: alt and ctrl hotkeys

2002-07-13 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On 14-Jul-2002 neuron wrote: Posted this thread on a messageboard not related to bb, and got in reply that I may wanna try this mailing list, so I am :) running Maya on linux is SWEET, but .. I can't seem to get it working well in my favorite window managers. not the first time this has

Re: alt and ctrl hotkeys

2002-07-13 Thread Kolbe Kegel
the scroll lock one sounds good... i don't even know what the hell scroll lock is supposed to do. scroll lock on = no black box key bindings would be pretty novel Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: On 14-Jul-2002 neuron wrote: Posted this thread on a messageboard not related to bb, and got in

Re: alt and ctrl hotkeys

2002-07-13 Thread Mr . X
On Sat, 13 Jul 2002 20:49:00 -0700 (PDT) Sean 'Shaleh' Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 14-Jul-2002 neuron wrote: Posted this thread on a messageboard not related to bb, and got in reply that I may wanna try this mailing list, so I am :) running Maya on linux is SWEET, but .. I can't