The *nix way (was Re: fluxbox, blackbox)

2001-11-09 Thread Jamin W. Collins
Jeremy C. Reed wrote: Using lots of simple tools (versus bloatware) is not always the best, most stable, or easiest way. There have been a few people that have claimed this. However, I've yet to see any sound examples where the simple tools combined together for a task were not better at it

Re: The *nix way (was Re: fluxbox, blackbox)

2001-11-09 Thread Jan Schaumann
Jamin W. Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeremy C. Reed wrote: Using lots of simple tools (versus bloatware) is not always the best, most stable, or easiest way. There have been a few people that have claimed this. However, I've yet to see any sound examples where the simple tools

Re: The *nix way (was Re: fluxbox, blackbox)

2001-11-09 Thread Jeremy C. Reed
On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Jamin W. Collins wrote: Jeremy C. Reed wrote: Using lots of simple tools (versus bloatware) is not always the best, most stable, or easiest way. There have been a few people that have claimed this. However, I've yet to see any sound examples where the simple tools

Re: The *nix way (was Re: fluxbox, blackbox)

2001-11-09 Thread Scott Moynes
* Jan Schaumann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: standard-counter-example for=unix-way-argument Emacs. /standard-counter-example I don't think emacs violates this. It includes a whole bunch of lisp source files, that can be removed, and provide a bunch of small functions that can be chained

Re: The *nix way (was Re: fluxbox, blackbox)

2001-11-09 Thread Jamin W. Collins
Jeremy C. Reed wrote: Public domain is great!!! I am glad you chose public domain; be sure your code says public domain. GPL is NOT public domain. Spend some time reading about GPL, public domain, BSD licensing. http://www.bsdnewsletter.com/bsd/license.html and search via google. So, you

Re: The *nix way (was Re: fluxbox, blackbox)

2001-11-09 Thread Scott Moynes
* Aaron J. Seigo ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: some clarification regarding konqi: it isn't a monolithic bloatware app. konqi is a (very small) framework app wherein _every_ _single_ piece is a loaded part that does one thing, does it well (hopefully =), and interoperates with every other part

Re: The *nix way (was Re: fluxbox, blackbox)

2001-11-09 Thread Jamin W. Collins
Jamin W. Collins wrote: So, you claim because enhancements/changes/derived works have to be given back to the public, the GPL is not Public Domain? Not following you here. Oops, I'll check myself before someone else does (hopefully). It would seem that Mr. Reed is correct. The term

Re: The *nix way (was Re: fluxbox, blackbox)

2001-11-09 Thread Jeremy C. Reed
On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Jamin W. Collins wrote: Public domain is great!!! I am glad you chose public domain; be sure your code says public domain. GPL is NOT public domain. Spend some time reading about GPL, public domain, BSD licensing. http://www.bsdnewsletter.com/bsd/license.html and

Re: The *nix way (was Re: fluxbox, blackbox)

2001-11-09 Thread Jeremy C. Reed
On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Jamin W. Collins wrote: quote Public domain software is software that is not copyrighted. It is a special case of non-copylefted free software http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html#Non-CopyleftedFreeSoftware, which means that some copies or modified versions

Re: The *nix way (was Re: fluxbox, blackbox)

2001-11-09 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
I have heard this. But I have not seen it. Everytime I have installed konqueror, I (believe I) was required to also install a large amount of other QT and KDE libraries and components. kinda like how you need to install a kernel and glibc and a shell and all that other trash just to be able

Re: The *nix way (was Re: fluxbox, blackbox)

2001-11-09 Thread Alex Buell
On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: I look forward to using a non-bloated konqueror. Feel free to point me to some docs that show how I can quickly install and use it without the QT and KDE baggage. (I guess this is similar to the projects that use the mozilla base.) [Off topic, I

Re: The *nix way (was Re: fluxbox, blackbox)

2001-11-09 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
hi.. tongue.in(cheek); So then just about any modern object-oriented or component based application should also be in the UNIX way. Everything from our dear blackbox all the way past konqi and mozilla through to Microsoft Office. :D not at all... konqueror is just a GUI within which all

Re: The *nix way (was Re: fluxbox, blackbox)

2001-11-09 Thread xOr
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Scott Moynes wrote: * Aaron J. Seigo ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: some clarification regarding konqi: it isn't a monolithic bloatware app. konqi is a (very small) framework app wherein _every_ _single_ piece is a loaded part

Re: The *nix way (was Re: fluxbox, blackbox)

2001-11-09 Thread xOr
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, Alex Buell wrote: On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: I look forward to using a non-bloated konqueror. Feel free to point me to some docs that show how I can quickly install and use it without the QT and KDE

Re: The *nix way (was Re: fluxbox, blackbox)

2001-11-09 Thread Dave Price
standard-counter-example for=unix-way-argument Emacs. /standard-counter-example isn't unix a program that runs on emacs? aloha, dave

Re: The *nix way (was Re: fluxbox, blackbox)

2001-11-09 Thread Fran
Emacs is the OS, Linux is the device driver. Fran :):):) On Sat, 10 Nov 2001 16:58, you wrote: standard-counter-example for=unix-way-argument Emacs. /standard-counter-example isn't unix a program that runs on emacs? aloha, dave