Re: [blfs-dev] Reverting my work

2014-02-26 Thread Pierre Labastie
Le 26/02/2014 01:47, Randy McMurchy a écrit : On 2/25/2014 5:26 PM, Armin K. wrote: On 25.2.2014 23:54, Randy McMurchy wrote: Though I strongly disagree with your decision to remove the docs, the more important part of your commit is removing the work done by another editor without

Re: [blfs-dev] discussion about sendmail

2014-02-26 Thread Igor Živković
On 2014-02-25 17:43, Bruce Dubbs wrote: That said, I don't have strong opinions about whether it is in the book or not. We may want to review it in a few days as we sort out other areas. I don't want sendmail back in the book as I believe it's rated worse in performance and security not to

Re: [blfs-dev] discussion about sendmail

2014-02-26 Thread akhiezer
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 13:47:05 +0100 From: Igor ??ivkovi?? cont...@igor-zivkovic.from.hr To: BLFS Development List blfs-dev@linuxfromscratch.org Subject: Re: [blfs-dev] discussion about sendmail On 2014-02-26 13:45, Igor ??ivkovi?? wrote: On 2014-02-25 17:43, Bruce Dubbs wrote: That

[blfs-dev] valgrind

2014-02-26 Thread akhiezer
- like for the recent sendmail stuff, is the following the sort of thing that should really go through '-dev' first: Ref: http://wiki.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/ticket/4724 -- Lots of packages use valgrind. We ought to add it to the book. Wouldn't normally such a discussion take

Re: [blfs-dev] discussion about sendmail

2014-02-26 Thread akhiezer
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 15:38:59 +0100 From: Igor ??ivkovi?? cont...@igor-zivkovic.from.hr To: BLFS Development List blfs-dev@linuxfromscratch.org Subject: Re: [blfs-dev] discussion about sendmail On 2014-02-26 15:24, lf...@cruziero.com wrote: Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 13:47:05 +0100 From:

Re: [blfs-dev] discussion about sendmail

2014-02-26 Thread Igor Živković
On 2014-02-26 15:53, lf...@cruziero.com wrote: And as asked clearly: the references are ... , what, where? Go to your favorite search engine, type sendmail vs postfix vs exim, and enjoy the read. Not even the fairly simple effort of seeing what other distros do - as is done for much in

Re: [blfs-dev] discussion about sendmail

2014-02-26 Thread Gregory H. Nietsky
On 26/02/2014 17:00, Igor Živković wrote: On 2014-02-26 15:53, lf...@cruziero.com wrote: And as asked clearly: the references are ... , what, where? Go to your favorite search engine, type sendmail vs postfix vs exim, and enjoy the read. There is ton's of FUD regarding sendmail previous

Re: [blfs-dev] discussion about sendmail

2014-02-26 Thread akhiezer
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 16:00:19 +0100 From: Igor ??ivkovi?? cont...@igor-zivkovic.from.hr To: BLFS Development List blfs-dev@linuxfromscratch.org Subject: Re: [blfs-dev] discussion about sendmail On 2014-02-26 15:53, lf...@cruziero.com wrote: And as asked clearly: the references are ...

Re: [blfs-dev] discussion about sendmail

2014-02-26 Thread akhiezer
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 17:08:38 +0200 From: Gregory H. Nietsky gregniet...@gmail.com To: blfs-dev@linuxfromscratch.org Subject: Re: [blfs-dev] discussion about sendmail On 26/02/2014 17:00, Igor ??ivkovi?? wrote: On 2014-02-26 15:53, lf...@cruziero.com wrote: And as asked clearly: the

Re: [blfs-dev] Reverting my work

2014-02-26 Thread Gregory H. Nietsky
On 26/02/2014 11:29, Pierre Labastie wrote: Maybe, when there is more time, we could start a related discussion about having optional instructions in the book not distinct in any way from mandatory ones. As you may remember, I use some kind of automation for testing the book. If optional

Re: [blfs-dev] discussion about sendmail

2014-02-26 Thread Igor Živković
On 2014-02-26 16:28, lf...@cruziero.com wrote: Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 16:00:19 +0100 From: Igor ??ivkovi?? cont...@igor-zivkovic.from.hr To: BLFS Development List blfs-dev@linuxfromscratch.org Subject: Re: [blfs-dev] discussion about sendmail On 2014-02-26 15:53, lf...@cruziero.com wrote:

Re: [blfs-dev] discussion about sendmail

2014-02-26 Thread akhiezer
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 16:58:22 +0100 From: Igor ??ivkovi?? cont...@igor-zivkovic.from.hr To: BLFS Development List blfs-dev@linuxfromscratch.org Subject: Re: [blfs-dev] discussion about sendmail On 2014-02-26 16:28, lf...@cruziero.com wrote: Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 16:00:19 +0100 From:

Re: [blfs-dev] discussion about sendmail

2014-02-26 Thread akhiezer
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 16:58:22 +0100 From: Igor ??ivkovi?? cont...@igor-zivkovic.from.hr To: BLFS Development List blfs-dev@linuxfromscratch.org Subject: Re: [blfs-dev] discussion about sendmail . . I bothered enough with it to remove it from the book. If someone else

Re: [blfs-dev] discussion about sendmail

2014-02-26 Thread Igor Živković
On 2014-02-26 17:20, lf...@cruziero.com wrote: Yes, as I suspected: you're bs'ing. That's funny because mostly everything I have ever seen from you (and I don't even know your real name) around here is bullshit, flaming incitement and rudeness. Anyways, I'm dumping you just like sendmail.

Re: [blfs-dev] Reverting my work

2014-02-26 Thread Pierre Labastie
Le 26/02/2014 16:54, Gregory H. Nietsky a écrit : On 26/02/2014 11:29, Pierre Labastie wrote: Maybe, when there is more time, we could start a related discussion about having optional instructions in the book not distinct in any way from mandatory ones. As you may remember, I use some kind of

Re: [blfs-dev] discussion about sendmail

2014-02-26 Thread akhiezer
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 17:29:32 +0100 From: Igor ??ivkovi?? cont...@igor-zivkovic.from.hr To: BLFS Development List blfs-dev@linuxfromscratch.org Subject: Re: [blfs-dev] discussion about sendmail On 2014-02-26 17:20, lf...@cruziero.com wrote: Yes, as I suspected: you're bs'ing. That's

Re: [blfs-dev] Reverting my work

2014-02-26 Thread Ken Moffat
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 05:54:18PM +0200, Gregory H. Nietsky wrote: There is something that is often overlooked that there are individuals who use the book as a reference to get the low down on a individual package. if these are place common distro here users or simply experimenting with

Re: [blfs-dev] discussion about sendmail

2014-02-26 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Igor Živković wrote: On 2014-02-25 17:43, Bruce Dubbs wrote: That said, I don't have strong opinions about whether it is in the book or not. We may want to review it in a few days as we sort out other areas. I don't want sendmail back in the book as I believe it's rated worse in

Re: [blfs-dev] discussion about sendmail

2014-02-26 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Igor Živković wrote: On 2014-02-26 17:20, lf...@cruziero.com wrote: Yes, as I suspected: you're bs'ing. That's funny because mostly everything I have ever seen from you (and I don't even know your real name) around here is bullshit, flaming incitement and rudeness. Anyways, I'm dumping you

Re: [blfs-dev] valgrind

2014-02-26 Thread Bruce Dubbs
akhiezer wrote: - like for the recent sendmail stuff, is the following the sort of thing that should really go through '-dev' first: Ref: http://wiki.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/ticket/4724 -- Lots of packages use valgrind. We ought to add it to the book. Wouldn't normally

[blfs-dev] Cyrus SASL

2014-02-26 Thread Bruce Dubbs
I had a problem with the instructions for Cyrus SASL. Using them as they are in the book gives me: gcc -shared -fPIC -DPIC .libs/sasldb.o .libs/sasldb_init.o .libs/plugin_common.o -Wl,--whole-archive ../sasldb/.libs/libsasldb.a -Wl,--no-whole-archive -ldb -lresolv -O2 -Wl,-soname

Re: [blfs-dev] Cyrus SASL

2014-02-26 Thread Armin K.
On 02/26/2014 09:34 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: I had a problem with the instructions for Cyrus SASL. Using them as they are in the book gives me: gcc -shared -fPIC -DPIC .libs/sasldb.o .libs/sasldb_init.o .libs/plugin_common.o -Wl,--whole-archive ../sasldb/.libs/libsasldb.a

Re: [blfs-dev] Cyrus SASL

2014-02-26 Thread Armin K.
On 02/26/2014 09:46 PM, Armin K. wrote: On 02/26/2014 09:34 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: I had a problem with the instructions for Cyrus SASL. Using them as they are in the book gives me: gcc -shared -fPIC -DPIC .libs/sasldb.o .libs/sasldb_init.o .libs/plugin_common.o -Wl,--whole-archive

Re: [blfs-dev] Cyrus SASL

2014-02-26 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Armin K. wrote: On 02/26/2014 09:46 PM, Armin K. wrote: On 02/26/2014 09:34 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: I had a problem with the instructions for Cyrus SASL. Using them as they are in the book gives me: gcc -shared -fPIC -DPIC .libs/sasldb.o .libs/sasldb_init.o .libs/plugin_common.o

[blfs-dev] Akonadi and cmake

2014-02-26 Thread Bruce Dubbs
I'm having a problem building Akonadi. When running cmake, I get an error. The build/CMakeFiles/CMakeError.log gives: File /tmp/akonadi/akonadi-1.11.0/build/CMakeFiles/CMakeTmp/CheckSymbolExists.cxx: /* */ #include QtCore/qglobal.h int main(int argc, char** argv) { (void)argv; #ifndef

Re: [blfs-dev] Akonadi and cmake

2014-02-26 Thread Armin K.
On 02/26/2014 11:41 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: I'm having a problem building Akonadi. When running cmake, I get an error. The build/CMakeFiles/CMakeError.log gives: File /tmp/akonadi/akonadi-1.11.0/build/CMakeFiles/CMakeTmp/CheckSymbolExists.cxx: /* */ #include QtCore/qglobal.h int

Re: [blfs-dev] Akonadi and cmake

2014-02-26 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Armin K. wrote: On 02/26/2014 11:41 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: I'm having a problem building Akonadi. When running cmake, I get an error. The build/CMakeFiles/CMakeError.log gives: File /tmp/akonadi/akonadi-1.11.0/build/CMakeFiles/CMakeTmp/CheckSymbolExists.cxx: /* */ #include

Re: [blfs-dev] Akonadi and cmake

2014-02-26 Thread Armin K.
On 02/27/2014 12:02 AM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Armin K. wrote: On 02/26/2014 11:41 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: I'm having a problem building Akonadi. When running cmake, I get an error. The build/CMakeFiles/CMakeError.log gives: File

Re: [blfs-dev] Akonadi and cmake

2014-02-26 Thread Armin K.
On 02/27/2014 12:25 AM, Armin K. wrote: On 02/27/2014 12:02 AM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Armin K. wrote: On 02/26/2014 11:41 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: I'm having a problem building Akonadi. When running cmake, I get an error. The build/CMakeFiles/CMakeError.log gives: File

Re: [blfs-dev] [blfs-book] r12791 - in trunk/BOOK: general/sysutils gnome/applications introduction/welcome networking/netutils postlfs/security

2014-02-26 Thread Armin K.
On 02/27/2014 01:16 AM, k...@higgs.linuxfromscratch.org wrote: Author: ken Date: Wed Feb 26 16:16:09 2014 New Revision: 12791 Log: Remove another 5 libexecdirs. Modified: trunk/BOOK/general/sysutils/colord.xml trunk/BOOK/gnome/applications/gnome-terminal.xml

Re: [blfs-dev] [blfs-book] r12791 - in trunk/BOOK: general/sysutils gnome/applications introduction/welcome networking/netutils postlfs/security

2014-02-26 Thread Ken Moffat
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 01:34:36AM +0100, Armin K. wrote: On 02/27/2014 01:16 AM, k...@higgs.linuxfromscratch.org wrote: Author: ken Date: Wed Feb 26 16:16:09 2014 New Revision: 12791 Log: Remove another 5 libexecdirs. Modified: trunk/BOOK/general/sysutils/colord.xml

Re: [blfs-dev] [blfs-book] r12792 - in trunk/BOOK: introduction/welcome postlfs/security

2014-02-26 Thread Bruce Dubbs
k...@higgs.linuxfromscratch.org wrote: Author: ken Date: Wed Feb 26 17:45:11 2014 New Revision: 12792 Log: acl is weird enough to need --libexecdir - thanks to Armin for pointing this out to me. Yes, I ran into that last night. I started to remove it, but it put things in the wrong

Re: [blfs-dev] Akonadi and cmake

2014-02-26 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Armin K. wrote: No, the check is right. It is supposed to fail if the function isn't found. OK. But it seems that it should be: #ifndef xyx #error xyx #endif Instead of what they have. -- Bruce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ:

Re: [blfs-dev] [blfs-book] r12792 - in trunk/BOOK: introduction/welcome postlfs/security

2014-02-26 Thread Ken Moffat
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 09:11:32PM -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: k...@higgs.linuxfromscratch.org wrote: Author: ken Date: Wed Feb 26 17:45:11 2014 New Revision: 12792 Log: acl is weird enough to need --libexecdir - thanks to Armin for pointing this out to me. Yes, I ran into that

Re: [blfs-dev] Akonadi and cmake

2014-02-26 Thread Armin K.
On 02/27/2014 04:19 AM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Armin K. wrote: No, the check is right. It is supposed to fail if the function isn't found. OK. But it seems that it should be: #ifndef xyx #error xyx #endif Instead of what they have. -- Bruce No. If Windows windowing backend

Re: [blfs-dev] Akonadi and cmake

2014-02-26 Thread Armin K.
On 02/27/2014 04:47 AM, Armin K. wrote: On 02/27/2014 04:19 AM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: Armin K. wrote: No, the check is right. It is supposed to fail if the function isn't found. OK. But it seems that it should be: #ifndef xyx #error xyx #endif Instead of what they have. -- Bruce

[blfs-dev] Testing that IcedTea works properly in 7.5 ?

2014-02-26 Thread Ken Moffat
I'm hoping to soon complete a build of IcedTea-2.4.5. (The reason I say hoping is that I tried (accidentally) building a previous version while running a 3.13.5 kernel, and had some pain, the first part of which is summarised on lkml). With more consequential pain to follow :-( I'm now back on

[blfs-dev] strigi-0.7.8 and clucene-2.3.3.4

2014-02-26 Thread Bruce Dubbs
I have a problem with the book's instructions building strigi. clucene is listed as an optional dependency and I have that installed. The book has cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr \ -DCMAKE_INSTALL_LIBDIR=lib \ -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release \ .. It gives a linking error

Re: [blfs-dev] strigi-0.7.8 and clucene-2.3.3.4

2014-02-26 Thread Chris Staub
On 02/27/14 00:37, Bruce Dubbs wrote: I have a problem with the book's instructions building strigi. clucene is listed as an optional dependency and I have that installed. The book has cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr \ -DCMAKE_INSTALL_LIBDIR=lib \

Re: [blfs-dev] Testing that IcedTea works properly in 7.5 ?

2014-02-26 Thread Gregory H. Nietsky
On 27/02/2014 06:23, Ken Moffat wrote: So, is there any_simple_ test that an editing monkey can run, to satisfy people that it is known to build and work properly using an LFS-7.5 platform ? In this case, I happen to be running the testsuite, but the book's comment doesn't fill me with