That's unfortunate. BLFS is much harder to use now.
In what way is it harder ? The releases were always a little out of
date (or very out of date!), and for the development book it has
always been best to download a tarball of the book so that it doesn't
change under you. Mostly,
Hmm... it occurs to me that while using FS monitoring (or your 'find'
based approach) is neat, it's not parallel-safe. I'm guessing you
don't install more than one package simultaneously? My current build
scripts basically consist of a generated Makefile to deal with
dependencies, and it
Do you, personally, see an actual problem with the open BLFS index,
search for name of package like Firefox, click and go down
dependencies approach? I know that's exactly what I did when *I* was
a newbie, and it worked fine.
I don't build a ladder to get to one fruit, I build a platform
I think if we stripped away all the
foliage from the systems we use, we'd find underneath a fairly common,
consistent set of packages--from which our individual interests caused
divergences, mostly by addition. I think what the newbie wants is a
page in BLFS that lists the packages, and
Am 25.12.2012 10:28, schrieb Simon Geard:
Hmm... it occurs to me that while using FS monitoring (or your 'find'
based approach) is neat, it's not parallel-safe. I'm guessing you don't
install more than one package simultaneously? My current build scripts
basically consist of a generated
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 09:38:25AM -0800, Paul Rogers wrote:
(missed this one-line comment earlier)
There was no enthusiasm from the editors - I know, I was keen on
releases, but nobody else was.
That's unfortunate. BLFS is much harder to use now.
In what way is it harder ? The
On Thu, 2012-12-27 at 01:57 +0100, Tobias Gasser wrote:
Am 25.12.2012 10:28, schrieb Simon Geard:
Hmm... it occurs to me that while using FS monitoring (or your 'find'
based approach) is neat, it's not parallel-safe. I'm guessing you don't
install more than one package simultaneously? My
On Wed, 2012-12-26 at 09:38 -0800, Paul Rogers wrote:
Certainly. I do have goals to get to. But a newbie would, I think,
benefit from being told that (s)he needs to build certain dependencies,
with PERHAPS some guidance to what a good set would be, before getting
to the goal of a functional
On Tue, 2012-12-25 at 06:28 +, Ken Moffat wrote:
But then, I'm an admitted heretic - in my scripts I build and
install as root : DESTDIR/INSTALL_ROOT are for when I'm looking at a
package, not when I'm installing it ;) To be honest, I spent some
weeks trying to use DESTDIR installs as a
For a server, I doubt there is very much commonality.
But, 1) the newbie isn't very likely to be asking how to build a server,
and 2) even so there are security and manageability tools that would be
common to a client, e.g. log management, networking firewalls.
For a desktop I suspect the
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 12:15:59PM -0800, Paul Rogers wrote:
For a server, I doubt there is very much commonality.
But, 1) the newbie isn't very likely to be asking how to build a server,
Well, the original post referred to wireshark, libpcap, unixodbc -
to me those are very specialised
Yes, I'd agree with that. Broadly speaking, what I think people want
are either specific applications like Firefox which we cover along
with the dependencies, or broader packages like Gnome or KDE which we
cover as entire sections. In what way is the current system not
adequate?
Isn't the
On Tue, 2012-12-25 at 12:15 -0800, Paul Rogers wrote:
I did in a previous post. q.v.
Ok, just went back to look at that post which I seem to have missed.
In general, Ken has already covered most of what I'd say in reply, but
I'd also note that much of the stuff you list is just dependencies.
For myself, after my first LFS-4.1 build, all by hand with copious
written notes from the book, I began using a directory watcher called
git by Ingo Bruekel. It was apparently abandon-ware, and I found a
few fixes necessary. And of course, the name got usurped. So I
renamed my version, but I
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 10:34:17AM -0800, Paul Rogers wrote:
But all this isn't, I think, the point from the modern newbie's
perspective. Because modern distros strive to provide a complete
desktop environment competitive with common, errrm, commercial software,
they hide what the
On Mon, 2012-12-24 at 19:29 +, Ken Moffat wrote:
For a server, I doubt there is very much commonality. For a
desktop I suspect the common packages stop fairly soon after building
Xorg. For myself, getting my preferred wm is basically followed by
firefox with system libraries.
On Mon, 2012-12-24 at 10:34 -0800, Paul Rogers wrote:
For myself, after my first LFS-4.1 build, all by hand with copious
written notes from the book, I began using a directory watcher called
git by Ingo Bruekel. It was apparently abandon-ware, and I found a
few fixes necessary. And of
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 02:02:43PM +1300, Simon Geard wrote:
On Mon, 2012-12-24 at 10:34 -0800, Paul Rogers wrote:
For myself, after my first LFS-4.1 build, all by hand with copious
written notes from the book, I began using a directory watcher called
git by Ingo Bruekel. It was apparently
If you want an example of one way to build a desktop, you can take a look
at:
http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/~bdubbs/files/updating-lfs.html
-- Bruce
Bruce -- that's an interesting and useful article. For logging my own
build I still like Paco (http://paco.sourceforge.net). I like
On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 08:58:45PM -0800, Paul Rogers wrote:
Yes, daily driver is a slang term that originally meant the car one
drives daily to work, shopping, errands, etc.; utilitarian as opposed to
the car one might drive for fun or to impress. Thus, by extension, it
is sometimes used as
From a newbie's perspective, of course, I think the problem with the
work backward approach is it's easy to miss things that the newbie
doesn't know (s)he also needs, e.g. log handling, firewall. I think, in
most cases, the newbie first needs a general purpose end-user system
that's manageable.
I am a newer at LFS, and I seek to success; but I need help; I made
my LFS - kernel and Isucceed but i face difficulties about the BLFS;
because I don`t know which programs- packages i should download. I
used to download using wget [webpage] command; and i got the
Wireshare, Libpcap and
On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 10:11:18AM -0800, Paul Rogers wrote:
The BLFS book, from the newbie's perspective, might benefit by
identifying the bones of a manageable end-user daily-driver, at
least getting them that far.
I googled for daily-driver: the urban dictionary says it is
something used
On 12/22/2012 01:11 PM, Paul Rogers wrote:
I am a newer at LFS, and I seek to success; but I need help; I made
my LFS - kernel and Isucceed but i face difficulties about the BLFS;
because I don`t know which programs- packages i should download. I
used to download using wget [webpage] command;
Yes, daily driver is a slang term that originally meant the car one
drives daily to work, shopping, errands, etc.; utilitarian as opposed to
the car one might drive for fun or to impress. Thus, by extension, it
is sometimes used as I intended to refer to the computer one uses
everyday for normal
On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Paul Rogers paulgrog...@fastmail.fm wrote:
I am a newer at LFS, and I seek to success; but I need help; I made
my LFS - kernel and Isucceed but i face difficulties about the BLFS;
because I don`t know which programs- packages i should download. I
used to
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