Re: [blind-gamers] Galactic colonies

[Travis Siegel]

I'm not sure that will make a difference, because there's still no way 
to tell what's going to be around the item you're putting down.  Also, 
you kind of need the colony buildings in order to make income, so unless 
you can accomplish everything you want with only 1500 bucks, you aren't 
going to be able to complete the levels.


It's a real shame, but it is possible to work around it.  I've had as 
many as 20 plus colony buildings on a couple planets because of these 
stupid restrictions, but it works, even though you'll run into cases 
where your hydroponics building appears to be right next to a warehouse, 
and you can't use that warehouse as an output, because it's out of range.


hg

On 1/5/2023 8:24 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:

First planet landing puts a base down.  Maybe building and connecting
warehouses and farms first then put the colonies in as the last part of
the living complex for the population may work better.

Jude 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

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On Thu, 5 Jan 2023, Travis Siegel wrote:


Remember I said the planet looks linear to voiceover, but it actually isn't?

That's what's causing this problem.

When you place colony buildings, initially, there's nothing else around them.
After you build a while, the grid wraps around (no clue how many spaces across
each row is, it changes depending on what's going on), so there's no way for
us to tell when something else is going to be placed adjacent to another
building.  This is my only major complaint with the game.  The other biggest
issue for me is there's no way to tell what warehouse things are tied to
without disconnecting them and reconnecting them, which is a real hassle when
you have double digit hydroponic farms, and are trying to get food to a colony
that is feeding from a particular warehouse that just doesn't have enough food
income.  But, what's happening here is that colony buildings don't like being
next to industrial type buildings.  This means, if you have anything other
than parks or hydroponics built in a square next to a colony building, the
colony building suffers from reduced population. It's a real shame we can't
tell where new buildings are going to go in reference to others, but for now,
that's the problem we need to deal with.

Sorry for the trouble, but just keep building colony buildings, hooking them
up to food sources, and eventually you'll get enough colonists to complete
that level.  Alternatively, if you have some of the boosts, you can up your
population that way, click on the upgrade button when you're in the colony
building, and if you have the right item, it will allow you to upgrade the
amount of population the building will hold.



On 1/5/2023 6:44 AM, Lindsay Cowell wrote:

Hi guys, I have lots of living quarters built, but yet my colonist level
keeps dropping and I?m trying to get up to 290 colonists. What am I doing
wrong? Yea at ya r woo so so at

Sent from Outlook for iOS 

*From:* blind-gamers@groups.io  on behalf of Travis
Siegel 
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 3, 2023 7:27 pm
*To:* blind-gamers@groups.io 
*Subject:* Re: [blind-gamers] Galactic colonies
I don't know if you can start from scratch or not, but probably, because
I have two phones, and each one has different levels, (one at 7, the
other at 20), so just deleting the app and redownloading it will
probably do the trick.


On 1/3/2023 12:49 PM, Lindsay Cowell wrote:

How do I start from scratch if I want to?

Lindsay Cowell.

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Jude DaShiell
Sent: 03 January 2023 15:02
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That leaves several planets in a mess without the amenities the more
advanced missions planets get unless those automatically open on
under-served planets.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

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On Tue, 3 Jan 2023, Travis Siegel wrote:


Nah, doesn't work that way. Remember, each planet is a new planet
being built from scratch. You'll of course have access to hospitals
parks and things once they're unlocked, but each planet starts from
bare earth. You're basically terra forming the planet, so each time
you need to start from scratch.

As you advance, you'll find housing units hold more people by

default,

as do warehouses, but you still need the same 3 units of food per
colonist no matter how many your housing units hold, so there's

always

need for lots of food, which sometimes is a challenge. Sometimes I've
had to cheat, especially on the planets where there's a per minute
income requirement.

Build multiple commercial buildings, and have them all set to 5
minutes, you'll need three of them to generate the whole 

Re: [blind-gamers] nethack (was Am I missing something, guys?)

[Heather Seaman]

Gotcha, but don't know how to help solve the problem, xnfortunately. On Jan 10, 
2023 8:59 PM, Travis Siegel  wrote:
>
> The problem isn't getting it to run, that's easy, it's written in very 
> portable ansi c.  The problem is with the cursor tracking, and the way 
> cursor movement is tracked in windows screen readers. 
>
> In dos, I could tell my screen reader to use the @ symbol as the cursor, 
> then I could check left/right/up/down just with the cursor keys to see 
> what was around, and even explore the path I'd taken to get there if I 
> so chose.  That's because dos screen readers used line/column 
> navigation.  Windows screen readers don't do that, even in a dos prompt, 
> they always go back to the start of the line when you move up/down (why 
> that is still escapes me, but that's how it works), so there's no easy 
> way to know where your character is without doing a whole lot of space 
> counting, or just skipping the finer aspects of knowing *exactly* what's 
> around where you are, and how far it is.  In dos, that was trivially 
> easy, in windows/linux, that's much more problematic. 
>
> I also played many of the nethack clones, umoria, rogue, and others, and 
> they all worked the same way.  Fairly usable under dos, an exercise in 
> frustration on windows/linux. 
>
> Now, empire, that one is a different story, because empire uses a real 
> cursor, so it always moves you to the exact spot your current piece is 
> located, which makes moving around and looking at things much simpler, 
> though it's still not as easy as dos was, since as mentioned, moving 
> up/down puts you back at the start of the line, which doesn't make a big 
> difference in the beginning, because there's only a couple characters on 
> the line, but as the game progresses, it gets increasingly difficult to 
> track the area around your piece. 
>
>
> On 1/10/2023 6:28 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote: 
> > I wonder, two things might work together. 
> > First, make sure graphics is disabled so the whole game plays in ascii. 
> > Second, run nethack from the dos command in windows. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in 
> > defense of liberty: 
> >   soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." 
> > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) 
> > 
> > . 
> > 
> > On Tue, 10 Jan 2023, Heather Seaman wrote: 
> > 
> >> Could an emulator like DosBox work? You'd have to check whether the 
> >> emulator is accessible, but if so maybe you could play that blast from the 
> >> past. On Jan 10, 2023 5:45 PM, Travis Siegel  wrote: 
> >>> I never solved it, but I too spent entirely too much time playing that 
> >>> one.  Haven't managed to get it working sufficiently under windows, in 
> >>> dos it worked just fine though. 
> >>> 
> >>> Any suggestions? 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> On 1/10/2023 5:03 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote: 
>  Have you ever played nethack?  I've never won that game myself.  Many 
>  years spent playing it though. 
>  
>  
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
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> >> 
> >> 
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> >> 
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Re: [blind-gamers] nethack (was Am I missing something, guys?)

[Travis Siegel]

The problem isn't getting it to run, that's easy, it's written in very 
portable ansi c.  The problem is with the cursor tracking, and the way 
cursor movement is tracked in windows screen readers.


In dos, I could tell my screen reader to use the @ symbol as the cursor, 
then I could check left/right/up/down just with the cursor keys to see 
what was around, and even explore the path I'd taken to get there if I 
so chose.  That's because dos screen readers used line/column 
navigation.  Windows screen readers don't do that, even in a dos prompt, 
they always go back to the start of the line when you move up/down (why 
that is still escapes me, but that's how it works), so there's no easy 
way to know where your character is without doing a whole lot of space 
counting, or just skipping the finer aspects of knowing *exactly* what's 
around where you are, and how far it is.  In dos, that was trivially 
easy, in windows/linux, that's much more problematic.


I also played many of the nethack clones, umoria, rogue, and others, and 
they all worked the same way.  Fairly usable under dos, an exercise in 
frustration on windows/linux.


Now, empire, that one is a different story, because empire uses a real 
cursor, so it always moves you to the exact spot your current piece is 
located, which makes moving around and looking at things much simpler, 
though it's still not as easy as dos was, since as mentioned, moving 
up/down puts you back at the start of the line, which doesn't make a big 
difference in the beginning, because there's only a couple characters on 
the line, but as the game progresses, it gets increasingly difficult to 
track the area around your piece.



On 1/10/2023 6:28 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:

I wonder, two things might work together.
First, make sure graphics is disabled so the whole game plays in ascii.
Second, run nethack from the dos command in windows.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Tue, 10 Jan 2023, Heather Seaman wrote:


Could an emulator like DosBox work? You'd have to check whether the emulator is 
accessible, but if so maybe you could play that blast from the past. On Jan 10, 2023 
5:45 PM, Travis Siegel  wrote:

I never solved it, but I too spent entirely too much time playing that
one.  Haven't managed to get it working sufficiently under windows, in
dos it worked just fine though.

Any suggestions?


On 1/10/2023 5:03 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:

Have you ever played nethack?  I've never won that game myself.  Many
years spent playing it though.
















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Re: [blind-gamers] nethack (was Am I missing something, guys?)

[Zachary Kline]

I've had excellent luck with Speakup, for what that's worth. Other screen 
readers on Linux do behave similarly to Windows unfortunately. There's also 
TDSR, which works on both Mac and Linux, and that generally works well.

But the fact remains we need an NVDA add-on or something to enable cursor 
tracking in this way, but I'm not sure if that's something that will be easy to 
write.
Best,
Zack.

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Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2023 5:50 PM
To: Heather Seaman 
Cc: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] nethack (was Am I missing something, guys?)

Nah, there's windows versions of nethack, the problem is that windows screen 
readers don't work the same way dos screen readers do, so tracking the cursor, 
and checking what's around you on the screen is way harder than it should be on 
a windows machine. Interstingly enough, linux screen readers suffer from the 
same issue, so no joy there either.

It's possible to use it, it's just a major pain, and takes more effor than it's 
worth.


On 1/10/2023 6:01 PM, Heather Seaman wrote:
> Could an emulator like DosBox work? You'd have to check whether the emulator 
> is accessible, but if so maybe you could play that blast from the past. On 
> Jan 10, 2023 5:45 PM, Travis Siegel  wrote:
>> I never solved it, but I too spent entirely too much time playing that
>> one.  Haven't managed to get it working sufficiently under windows, in
>> dos it worked just fine though.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>>
>> On 1/10/2023 5:03 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>>> Have you ever played nethack?  I've never won that game myself.  Many
>>> years spent playing it though.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>








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Re: [blind-gamers] nethack (was Am I missing something, guys?)

[Travis Siegel]

Nah, there's windows versions of nethack, the problem is that windows 
screen readers don't work the same way dos screen readers do, so 
tracking the cursor, and checking what's around you on the screen is way 
harder than it should be on a windows machine. Interstingly enough, 
linux screen readers suffer from the same issue, so no joy there either.


It's possible to use it, it's just a major pain, and takes more effor 
than it's worth.



On 1/10/2023 6:01 PM, Heather Seaman wrote:

Could an emulator like DosBox work? You'd have to check whether the emulator is 
accessible, but if so maybe you could play that blast from the past. On Jan 10, 2023 
5:45 PM, Travis Siegel  wrote:

I never solved it, but I too spent entirely too much time playing that
one.  Haven't managed to get it working sufficiently under windows, in
dos it worked just fine though.

Any suggestions?


On 1/10/2023 5:03 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:

Have you ever played nethack?  I've never won that game myself.  Many
years spent playing it though.










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Re: [blind-gamers] nethack (was Am I missing something, guys?)

[Zachary Kline]

Yes, you can, but that still doesn't solve the problem of the screen reader
not tracking your position on the map correctly. As it happens, NetHack
defaults to putting your PC cursor on the symbol that represents your
character, which is the @ but may also be something else if you end up, say,
transformed into a dragon or whatever.
The need to keep track of the column you are reviewing to get a sense of the
map layout makes these games far easier to play on Linux with Speakup, for
what that's worth.

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DaShiell
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2023 5:41 PM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io; 'Travis Siegel' 
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] nethack (was Am I missing something, guys?)

Can you route the cursor to the @ character the first time it appears in the
game?  So far as I know, no cursor exists in nethack.  The first  @ sign
that appears is the player themselves.  After that, werejackals and
werewolves also get the @ character as do other humans in the game like
shopkeepers.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in defense
of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Tue, 10 Jan 2023, Zachary Kline wrote:

> The biggest problem with NetHack, on Windows at least, is that most
Windows screen readers no longer keep track of the cursor position in a way
which makes it easy to review the map. It's maddening but I don't really
have a solution.
>
> For instance, if you had something like this:
>
> 
> |$.|
> |.>|
> 
> If your cursor was on the >, and you moved up one row, Windows screen
readers will bring you all the way back to the vertical bar on the left
side.
>
> Jaws has some support for tracking the cursor properly in the old Windows
command prompt, but not the newer Windows terminal, which is frustrating.
NVDA doesn't anywhere, as far as I know.
>
> Sorry to go on a bit of a rant, this is one of the things which drives me
nuts.
> Best,
> Zack.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: blind-gamers@groups.io  On Behalf Of 
> Jude DaShiell
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2023 3:28 PM
> To: blind-gamers@groups.io; Travis Siegel 
> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] nethack (was Am I missing something, 
> guys?)
>
> I wonder, two things might work together.
> First, make sure graphics is disabled so the whole game plays in ascii.
> Second, run nethack from the dos command in windows.
>
>
>
> Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
>
> .
>
> On Tue, 10 Jan 2023, Heather Seaman wrote:
>
> > Could an emulator like DosBox work? You'd have to check whether the
emulator is accessible, but if so maybe you could play that blast from the
past. On Jan 10, 2023 5:45 PM, Travis Siegel  wrote:
> > >
> > > I never solved it, but I too spent entirely too much time playing 
> > > that one.  Haven't managed to get it working sufficiently under 
> > > windows, in dos it worked just fine though.
> > >
> > > Any suggestions?
> > >
> > >
> > > On 1/10/2023 5:03 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > > > Have you ever played nethack?  I've never won that game myself.
> > > > Many years spent playing it though.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: [blind-gamers] nethack (was Am I missing something, guys?)

[Jude DaShiell]

Can you route the cursor to the @ character the first time it appears in
the game?  So far as I know, no cursor exists in nethack.  The first  @
sign that appears is the player themselves.  After that, werejackals and
werewolves also get the @ character as do other humans in the game like
shopkeepers.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Tue, 10 Jan 2023, Zachary Kline wrote:

> The biggest problem with NetHack, on Windows at least, is that most Windows 
> screen readers no longer keep track of the cursor position in a way which 
> makes it easy to review the map. It's maddening but I don't really have a 
> solution.
>
> For instance, if you had something like this:
>
> 
> |$.|
> |.>|
> 
> If your cursor was on the >, and you moved up one row, Windows screen readers 
> will bring you all the way back to the vertical bar on the left side.
>
> Jaws has some support for tracking the cursor properly in the old Windows 
> command prompt, but not the newer Windows terminal, which is frustrating. 
> NVDA doesn't anywhere, as far as I know.
>
> Sorry to go on a bit of a rant, this is one of the things which drives me 
> nuts.
> Best,
> Zack.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: blind-gamers@groups.io  On Behalf Of Jude 
> DaShiell
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2023 3:28 PM
> To: blind-gamers@groups.io; Travis Siegel 
> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] nethack (was Am I missing something, guys?)
>
> I wonder, two things might work together.
> First, make sure graphics is disabled so the whole game plays in ascii.
> Second, run nethack from the dos command in windows.
>
>
>
> Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in defense 
> of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
>
> .
>
> On Tue, 10 Jan 2023, Heather Seaman wrote:
>
> > Could an emulator like DosBox work? You'd have to check whether the 
> > emulator is accessible, but if so maybe you could play that blast from the 
> > past. On Jan 10, 2023 5:45 PM, Travis Siegel  wrote:
> > >
> > > I never solved it, but I too spent entirely too much time playing
> > > that one.  Haven't managed to get it working sufficiently under
> > > windows, in dos it worked just fine though.
> > >
> > > Any suggestions?
> > >
> > >
> > > On 1/10/2023 5:03 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > > > Have you ever played nethack?  I've never won that game myself.
> > > > Many years spent playing it though.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>
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>
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Re: [blind-gamers] nethack (was Am I missing something, guys?)

[Zachary Kline]

The biggest problem with NetHack, on Windows at least, is that most Windows 
screen readers no longer keep track of the cursor position in a way which makes 
it easy to review the map. It's maddening but I don't really have a solution. 

For instance, if you had something like this:


|$.|
|.>|

If your cursor was on the >, and you moved up one row, Windows screen readers 
will bring you all the way back to the vertical bar on the left side. 

Jaws has some support for tracking the cursor properly in the old Windows 
command prompt, but not the newer Windows terminal, which is frustrating. NVDA 
doesn't anywhere, as far as I know.

Sorry to go on a bit of a rant, this is one of the things which drives me nuts.
Best,
Zack.

-Original Message-
From: blind-gamers@groups.io  On Behalf Of Jude DaShiell
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2023 3:28 PM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io; Travis Siegel 
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] nethack (was Am I missing something, guys?)

I wonder, two things might work together.
First, make sure graphics is disabled so the whole game plays in ascii.
Second, run nethack from the dos command in windows.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in defense of 
liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Tue, 10 Jan 2023, Heather Seaman wrote:

> Could an emulator like DosBox work? You'd have to check whether the emulator 
> is accessible, but if so maybe you could play that blast from the past. On 
> Jan 10, 2023 5:45 PM, Travis Siegel  wrote:
> >
> > I never solved it, but I too spent entirely too much time playing 
> > that one.  Haven't managed to get it working sufficiently under 
> > windows, in dos it worked just fine though.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> >
> > On 1/10/2023 5:03 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > > Have you ever played nethack?  I've never won that game myself.  
> > > Many years spent playing it though.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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>
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Re: [blind-gamers] Galactic Colonies Problem

[Matthew Chao via groups.io]

Yes, I did, and still no luck.  I just uninstalled it, and will try and 
reinstall and run it.--Matthew Chao




On 1/10/2023 5:49 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:

Did you try switching to it again from the task list?

This kind of thing happens to me on IOS sometimes, with lots of 
programs, I'm guessing it's a (slight) bug in voiceover.



On 1/10/2023 4:13 PM, Matthew Chao via groups.io wrote:
Hi, Folks.  I downloaded Galactic Colonies and started it up, played 
for a few minutes, then closed it.  When I tried to start it up today, 
it opened, but I was still in the Home Screen.  When i checked to see 
what was running, Galactic Colonies was loaded, but I couldn't get 
into it. What's the problem here?  Anyone else have this problem?


Thanks in advance.--Matthew Chao














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[blind-gamers] Spoiler warning! a hero's call troll quest

[Stephen]

Hi Chris and everyone
Thank you so much for your help so far with this game.  It is fantastic.
I'm having another problem, this time with the troll quest.
spoiler warning!
I think I might have broken one of the quests.  I've 
got the journal of titus adrianus, I obtained it quite early in the game before 
meeting mathius the ranger.  I was listening to a playthrough of the game, and 
they talk about the troll den in the mines.
I entered the sewers and then entered the mine and made my way to the troll 
den, but there's not much that can be found there.  The troll quest hasn't 
appeared in my list of quests.  
I've got mathias and Gwen adrianus as my two companions.


Is there anything i can do to enable the troll quest and solve titus' 
poem?

Thanks.


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Re: [blind-gamers] nethack (was Am I missing something, guys?)

[Heather Seaman]

Oh duh! I forgot you can run Dos via the Run command in older versions of 
Windows. But will that work in Win10 or 11? Good idea if it will, though. On 
Jan 10, 2023 6:28 PM, Jude DaShiell  wrote:
>
> I wonder, two things might work together. 
> First, make sure graphics is disabled so the whole game plays in ascii. 
> Second, run nethack from the dos command in windows. 
>
>
>
> Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in 
> defense of liberty: 
> soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." 
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) 
>
> . 
>
> On Tue, 10 Jan 2023, Heather Seaman wrote: 
>
> > Could an emulator like DosBox work? You'd have to check whether the 
> > emulator is accessible, but if so maybe you could play that blast from the 
> > past. On Jan 10, 2023 5:45 PM, Travis Siegel  wrote: 
> > > 
> > > I never solved it, but I too spent entirely too much time playing that 
> > > one.  Haven't managed to get it working sufficiently under windows, in 
> > > dos it worked just fine though. 
> > > 
> > > Any suggestions? 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 1/10/2023 5:03 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote: 
> > > > Have you ever played nethack?  I've never won that game myself.  Many 
> > > > years spent playing it though. 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
>
>
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Re: [blind-gamers] nethack (was Am I missing something, guys?)

[Jude DaShiell]

I wonder, two things might work together.
First, make sure graphics is disabled so the whole game plays in ascii.
Second, run nethack from the dos command in windows.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Tue, 10 Jan 2023, Heather Seaman wrote:

> Could an emulator like DosBox work? You'd have to check whether the emulator 
> is accessible, but if so maybe you could play that blast from the past. On 
> Jan 10, 2023 5:45 PM, Travis Siegel  wrote:
> >
> > I never solved it, but I too spent entirely too much time playing that
> > one.  Haven't managed to get it working sufficiently under windows, in
> > dos it worked just fine though.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> >
> > On 1/10/2023 5:03 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > > Have you ever played nethack?  I've never won that game myself.  Many
> > > years spent playing it though.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> 
>
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Re: [blind-gamers] nethack (was Am I missing something, guys?)

[Heather Seaman]

Could an emulator like DosBox work? You'd have to check whether the emulator is 
accessible, but if so maybe you could play that blast from the past. On Jan 10, 
2023 5:45 PM, Travis Siegel  wrote:
>
> I never solved it, but I too spent entirely too much time playing that 
> one.  Haven't managed to get it working sufficiently under windows, in 
> dos it worked just fine though. 
>
> Any suggestions? 
>
>
> On 1/10/2023 5:03 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote: 
> > Have you ever played nethack?  I've never won that game myself.  Many 
> > years spent playing it though. 
> > 
> > 
>
>
>  
>
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Re: [blind-gamers] Galactic Colonies Problem

[Travis Siegel]

Did you try switching to it again from the task list?

This kind of thing happens to me on IOS sometimes, with lots of 
programs, I'm guessing it's a (slight) bug in voiceover.



On 1/10/2023 4:13 PM, Matthew Chao via groups.io wrote:
Hi, Folks.  I downloaded Galactic Colonies and started it up, played 
for a few minutes, then closed it.  When I tried to start it up today, 
it opened, but I was still in the Home Screen.  When i checked to see 
what was running, Galactic Colonies was loaded, but I couldn't get 
into it. What's the problem here?  Anyone else have this problem?


Thanks in advance.--Matthew Chao








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[blind-gamers] nethack (was Am I missing something, guys?)

[Travis Siegel]

I never solved it, but I too spent entirely too much time playing that 
one.  Haven't managed to get it working sufficiently under windows, in 
dos it worked just fine though.


Any suggestions?


On 1/10/2023 5:03 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:

Have you ever played nethack?  I've never won that game myself.  Many
years spent playing it though.





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[blind-gamers] Mist World

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Hi, Folks.  Where can I get Mist World?  Thanks.--Matthew Chao


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Re: [blind-gamers] Am I missing something, guys?

[Jude DaShiell]

Have you ever played nethack?  I've never won that game myself.  Many
years spent playing it though.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Tue, 10 Jan 2023, Lenron wrote:

> I grew up gaming and I will forever be a gamer some how some way. Mist
> world is my favorite audio game right now. Started playing manamon 2
> again as well. Have been wanting to get back into swamp it's been a
> while. Nvda just works better with games.
>
> On 1/10/23, Jude DaShiell  wrote:
> > jaws is job access with speech so it was never really big into gaming.
> > That's especially unfortunate for new computer users since the way new
> > computer users gain confidence on computers that are new to them is to
> > spend lots of hours playing games.
> > The first pcxt I had didn't have jaws on it, that was artic.  It came with
> > lots of games including infocom titles which was my first introduction to
> > those games.  The training materials freedomscientific uses aren't even
> > games which is why and how jaws even with its training materials is a slow
> > and difficult learning curve.  Jaws for windows is certainly no better.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> > defense of liberty:
> >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> >
> > .
> >
> > On Wed, 11 Jan 2023, Shaun Everiss wrote:
> >
> >> Hi linsey.
> >>
> >> Yeah there are not many games anymore.
> >>
> >> There are the japanese games in general which are good  and some of the
> >> chinese ones like mist.
> >>
> >> then there is ksre which is quite old on audiogames forum I forget the
> >> link.
> >>
> >> Its just been redone and its a good story.
> >>
> >> However the renpy main games page hasn't had a good load of upgrades in
> >> ages.
> >>
> >> Outside that, bar audiogame.store there isn't much.
> >>
> >> And even their latest game I have reached partly through.
> >>
> >> Its interest seems to have died down quickly so who knows.
> >>
> >> Technically there are supposed to be a few more but not much.
> >>
> >> Sadly I suspect that the audiogames industry isn't as rosy as it was ages
> >> back.
> >>
> >> In 1995 through 2010 there was great optomism for the industry as a
> >> whole.
> >>
> >> But with some mainstreaming, the fact gaming doesn't make cash, and
> >> everything
> >> else there are less devs.
> >>
> >> A few games use sapi internal os voices and tts engines, a few are self
> >> voicing and a few still exist like sbyw just ticking along but nothing
> >> new
> >> really.
> >>
> >> If you mean exactly for jaws that may be your problem.
> >>
> >> Yes some games have support for jaws  but not many.
> >>
> >> With nvda about and internal support on the os pluss some self voicing
> >> themselves, there is probably not going to be actual games for jaws if
> >> not
> >> ever at least not right now.
> >>
> >> Jaws has its uses but like dolphin reader, freedomscientiffic is 1 of the
> >> last
> >> so called access business companies to still be in the market though not
> >> really for general use anymore.
> >>
> >> Put it another way no standard newly blind is going to buy jaws, or any of
> >> the
> >> other comercials if he doesn't need to.
> >>
> >> I do test for dolphin so obviously I do need to run the reader to check
> >> things
> >> out from time to time, but even I have thought about my association for a
> >> little.
> >>
> >> The only reason I don't drop it as such as its another alternitive if I
> >> ever
> >> find something that needs the extra power.
> >>
> >> But really nvda will do almost everything any user needs.
> >>
> >> Listen to music, write email, surf the net with a brouser, even game.
> >>
> >> It will even do some limited to semi advanced ocr if given the right
> >> program,
> >> maybe not that well but well enough.
> >>
> >> The only things against it are.
> >>
> >> 1.  because there are no intercepts it doesn't have as many cursers and
> >> virtual modes for advanced work.
> >>
> >> Of course most of us using standard software doesn't need those modes so
> >> its
> >> largely mute.
> >>
> >> 2.  being it uses mainstream languages and plugins it needs constant
> >> security
> >> and other updates.
> >>
> >> Thats fine and all but some users don't like it.
> >>
> >> Though if you don't want to you don't need to load any modules bar maybe
> >> the
> >> windows 10 and the updater if you want to keep things updated.
> >>
> >> They do help at least for programs you use and there are a few extras you
> >> can
> >> use to.
> >>
> >> And if you don't need anything much more over really basic there is
> >> narator.
> >>
> >> Its not the most advanced system obviously and its only updated once or
> >> tiwice
> >> a year with the major os updates, but its rumored to be scriptable, and
> >> will
> >> handle chromium in some way, not tested really and will do 

Re: [blind-gamers] Am I missing something, guys?

[Lenron]

I grew up gaming and I will forever be a gamer some how some way. Mist
world is my favorite audio game right now. Started playing manamon 2
again as well. Have been wanting to get back into swamp it's been a
while. Nvda just works better with games.

On 1/10/23, Jude DaShiell  wrote:
> jaws is job access with speech so it was never really big into gaming.
> That's especially unfortunate for new computer users since the way new
> computer users gain confidence on computers that are new to them is to
> spend lots of hours playing games.
> The first pcxt I had didn't have jaws on it, that was artic.  It came with
> lots of games including infocom titles which was my first introduction to
> those games.  The training materials freedomscientific uses aren't even
> games which is why and how jaws even with its training materials is a slow
> and difficult learning curve.  Jaws for windows is certainly no better.
>
>
>
> Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
> defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
>
> .
>
> On Wed, 11 Jan 2023, Shaun Everiss wrote:
>
>> Hi linsey.
>>
>> Yeah there are not many games anymore.
>>
>> There are the japanese games in general which are good  and some of the
>> chinese ones like mist.
>>
>> then there is ksre which is quite old on audiogames forum I forget the
>> link.
>>
>> Its just been redone and its a good story.
>>
>> However the renpy main games page hasn't had a good load of upgrades in
>> ages.
>>
>> Outside that, bar audiogame.store there isn't much.
>>
>> And even their latest game I have reached partly through.
>>
>> Its interest seems to have died down quickly so who knows.
>>
>> Technically there are supposed to be a few more but not much.
>>
>> Sadly I suspect that the audiogames industry isn't as rosy as it was ages
>> back.
>>
>> In 1995 through 2010 there was great optomism for the industry as a
>> whole.
>>
>> But with some mainstreaming, the fact gaming doesn't make cash, and
>> everything
>> else there are less devs.
>>
>> A few games use sapi internal os voices and tts engines, a few are self
>> voicing and a few still exist like sbyw just ticking along but nothing
>> new
>> really.
>>
>> If you mean exactly for jaws that may be your problem.
>>
>> Yes some games have support for jaws  but not many.
>>
>> With nvda about and internal support on the os pluss some self voicing
>> themselves, there is probably not going to be actual games for jaws if
>> not
>> ever at least not right now.
>>
>> Jaws has its uses but like dolphin reader, freedomscientiffic is 1 of the
>> last
>> so called access business companies to still be in the market though not
>> really for general use anymore.
>>
>> Put it another way no standard newly blind is going to buy jaws, or any of
>> the
>> other comercials if he doesn't need to.
>>
>> I do test for dolphin so obviously I do need to run the reader to check
>> things
>> out from time to time, but even I have thought about my association for a
>> little.
>>
>> The only reason I don't drop it as such as its another alternitive if I
>> ever
>> find something that needs the extra power.
>>
>> But really nvda will do almost everything any user needs.
>>
>> Listen to music, write email, surf the net with a brouser, even game.
>>
>> It will even do some limited to semi advanced ocr if given the right
>> program,
>> maybe not that well but well enough.
>>
>> The only things against it are.
>>
>> 1.  because there are no intercepts it doesn't have as many cursers and
>> virtual modes for advanced work.
>>
>> Of course most of us using standard software doesn't need those modes so
>> its
>> largely mute.
>>
>> 2.  being it uses mainstream languages and plugins it needs constant
>> security
>> and other updates.
>>
>> Thats fine and all but some users don't like it.
>>
>> Though if you don't want to you don't need to load any modules bar maybe
>> the
>> windows 10 and the updater if you want to keep things updated.
>>
>> They do help at least for programs you use and there are a few extras you
>> can
>> use to.
>>
>> And if you don't need anything much more over really basic there is
>> narator.
>>
>> Its not the most advanced system obviously and its only updated once or
>> tiwice
>> a year with the major os updates, but its rumored to be scriptable, and
>> will
>> handle chromium in some way, not tested really and will do simple tasks.
>>
>> Its not really a screen reader but if you only need to muck about with
>> microsoft everything its probably not a problem though nvda gives you a
>> little
>> choice.
>>
>>
>> On 11/01/2023 7:51 am, Lindsay Cowell wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi all
>> >
>> >
>> > I feel like I am missing something here guys. Are there not any good
>> > games
>> > for PC and windows in particular any more? I can't seem to find
>> > anything,
>> > and when I do, it is in another language and doesn't work with Jaws. Am
>> > I
>> > missing something here?
>> >
>> 

[blind-gamers] Galactic Colonies Problem

[Matthew Chao via groups.io]

Hi, Folks.  I downloaded Galactic Colonies and started it up, played for 
a few minutes, then closed it.  When I tried to start it up today, it 
opened, but I was still in the Home Screen.  When i checked to see what 
was running, Galactic Colonies was loaded, but I couldn't get into it. 
What's the problem here?  Anyone else have this problem?


Thanks in advance.--Matthew Chao


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Re: [blind-gamers] Am I missing something, guys?

[Jude DaShiell]

jaws is job access with speech so it was never really big into gaming.
That's especially unfortunate for new computer users since the way new
computer users gain confidence on computers that are new to them is to
spend lots of hours playing games.
The first pcxt I had didn't have jaws on it, that was artic.  It came with
lots of games including infocom titles which was my first introduction to
those games.  The training materials freedomscientific uses aren't even
games which is why and how jaws even with its training materials is a slow
and difficult learning curve.  Jaws for windows is certainly no better.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Wed, 11 Jan 2023, Shaun Everiss wrote:

> Hi linsey.
>
> Yeah there are not many games anymore.
>
> There are the japanese games in general which are good  and some of the
> chinese ones like mist.
>
> then there is ksre which is quite old on audiogames forum I forget the link.
>
> Its just been redone and its a good story.
>
> However the renpy main games page hasn't had a good load of upgrades in ages.
>
> Outside that, bar audiogame.store there isn't much.
>
> And even their latest game I have reached partly through.
>
> Its interest seems to have died down quickly so who knows.
>
> Technically there are supposed to be a few more but not much.
>
> Sadly I suspect that the audiogames industry isn't as rosy as it was ages
> back.
>
> In 1995 through 2010 there was great optomism for the industry as a whole.
>
> But with some mainstreaming, the fact gaming doesn't make cash, and everything
> else there are less devs.
>
> A few games use sapi internal os voices and tts engines, a few are self
> voicing and a few still exist like sbyw just ticking along but nothing new
> really.
>
> If you mean exactly for jaws that may be your problem.
>
> Yes some games have support for jaws  but not many.
>
> With nvda about and internal support on the os pluss some self voicing
> themselves, there is probably not going to be actual games for jaws if not
> ever at least not right now.
>
> Jaws has its uses but like dolphin reader, freedomscientiffic is 1 of the last
> so called access business companies to still be in the market though not
> really for general use anymore.
>
> Put it another way no standard newly blind is going to buy jaws, or any of the
> other comercials if he doesn't need to.
>
> I do test for dolphin so obviously I do need to run the reader to check things
> out from time to time, but even I have thought about my association for a
> little.
>
> The only reason I don't drop it as such as its another alternitive if I ever
> find something that needs the extra power.
>
> But really nvda will do almost everything any user needs.
>
> Listen to music, write email, surf the net with a brouser, even game.
>
> It will even do some limited to semi advanced ocr if given the right program,
> maybe not that well but well enough.
>
> The only things against it are.
>
> 1.  because there are no intercepts it doesn't have as many cursers and
> virtual modes for advanced work.
>
> Of course most of us using standard software doesn't need those modes so its
> largely mute.
>
> 2.  being it uses mainstream languages and plugins it needs constant security
> and other updates.
>
> Thats fine and all but some users don't like it.
>
> Though if you don't want to you don't need to load any modules bar maybe the
> windows 10 and the updater if you want to keep things updated.
>
> They do help at least for programs you use and there are a few extras you can
> use to.
>
> And if you don't need anything much more over really basic there is narator.
>
> Its not the most advanced system obviously and its only updated once or tiwice
> a year with the major os updates, but its rumored to be scriptable, and will
> handle chromium in some way, not tested really and will do simple tasks.
>
> Its not really a screen reader but if you only need to muck about with
> microsoft everything its probably not a problem though nvda gives you a little
> choice.
>
>
> On 11/01/2023 7:51 am, Lindsay Cowell wrote:
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> >
> > I feel like I am missing something here guys. Are there not any good games
> > for PC and windows in particular any more? I can't seem to find anything,
> > and when I do, it is in another language and doesn't work with Jaws. Am I
> > missing something here?
> >
> >
> > Lindsay Cowell.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>


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Re: [blind-gamers] Am I missing something, guys?

[Shaun Everiss]

The only issue with mist though is you can get randomly pked by other 
players all over the place even in citties.


And you do need to buy items and really get into it.

I don't know if its my scene.

I also really don't want to be a gamer head like I used to.

At least not till I am of thhat age my family is no more and I am 
waiting to die.


That day may come though where I leave this world behind and exist in vr 
till I can't its just not that day right now is all.



On 11/01/2023 8:16 am, Oriol Gómez wrote:

have you tried mist world?

On 1/10/23, Lindsay Cowell  wrote:

Hi all


I feel like I am missing something here guys. Are there not any good
games for PC and windows in particular any more? I can't seem to find
anything, and when I do, it is in another language and doesn't work with
Jaws. Am I missing something here?


Lindsay Cowell.















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Re: [blind-gamers] Am I missing something, guys?

[Shaun Everiss]

Hi linsey.

Yeah there are not many games anymore.

There are the japanese games in general which are good  and some of the 
chinese ones like mist.


then there is ksre which is quite old on audiogames forum I forget the link.

Its just been redone and its a good story.

However the renpy main games page hasn't had a good load of upgrades in 
ages.


Outside that, bar audiogame.store there isn't much.

And even their latest game I have reached partly through.

Its interest seems to have died down quickly so who knows.

Technically there are supposed to be a few more but not much.

Sadly I suspect that the audiogames industry isn't as rosy as it was 
ages back.


In 1995 through 2010 there was great optomism for the industry as a whole.

But with some mainstreaming, the fact gaming doesn't make cash, and 
everything else there are less devs.


A few games use sapi internal os voices and tts engines, a few are self 
voicing and a few still exist like sbyw just ticking along but nothing 
new really.


If you mean exactly for jaws that may be your problem.

Yes some games have support for jaws  but not many.

With nvda about and internal support on the os pluss some self voicing 
themselves, there is probably not going to be actual games for jaws if 
not ever at least not right now.


Jaws has its uses but like dolphin reader, freedomscientiffic is 1 of 
the last so called access business companies to still be in the market 
though not really for general use anymore.


Put it another way no standard newly blind is going to buy jaws, or any 
of the other comercials if he doesn't need to.


I do test for dolphin so obviously I do need to run the reader to check 
things out from time to time, but even I have thought about my 
association for a little.


The only reason I don't drop it as such as its another alternitive if I 
ever find something that needs the extra power.


But really nvda will do almost everything any user needs.

Listen to music, write email, surf the net with a brouser, even game.

It will even do some limited to semi advanced ocr if given the right 
program, maybe not that well but well enough.


The only things against it are.

1.  because there are no intercepts it doesn't have as many cursers and 
virtual modes for advanced work.


Of course most of us using standard software doesn't need those modes so 
its largely mute.


2.  being it uses mainstream languages and plugins it needs constant 
security and other updates.


Thats fine and all but some users don't like it.

Though if you don't want to you don't need to load any modules bar maybe 
the windows 10 and the updater if you want to keep things updated.


They do help at least for programs you use and there are a few extras 
you can use to.


And if you don't need anything much more over really basic there is narator.

Its not the most advanced system obviously and its only updated once or 
tiwice a year with the major os updates, but its rumored to be 
scriptable, and will handle chromium in some way, not tested really and 
will do simple tasks.


Its not really a screen reader but if you only need to muck about with 
microsoft everything its probably not a problem though nvda gives you a 
little choice.



On 11/01/2023 7:51 am, Lindsay Cowell wrote:


Hi all


I feel like I am missing something here guys. Are there not any good 
games for PC and windows in particular any more? I can't seem to find 
anything, and when I do, it is in another language and doesn't work 
with Jaws. Am I missing something here?



Lindsay Cowell.






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Re: [blind-gamers] Am I missing something, guys?

[Heather Seaman]

I don't know about good games but I have heard that NVDA, which is a free screen reader, works better with games than JAWS does. 
On Jan 10, 2023 1:51 PM, Lindsay Cowell  wrote:
Hi all


I feel like I am missing something here guys. Are there not any
  good games for PC and windows in particular any more? I can't seem
  to find anything, and when I do, it is in another language and
  doesn't work with Jaws. Am I missing something here?


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Re: [blind-gamers] Am I missing something, guys?

[Day Garwood]

Nope, sometimes it just won't send. I don't have spam filtering enabled 
and got nothing. Tried again a few days later and got it. Then noticed 
that, not only were the keyboard shortcuts exceptionally bizarre, but 
also it needs a Java engine. I got put off very quickly at that point.


Cheers.


On 10/01/2023 19:29, Oriol Gómez wrote:

probably went to your spam folder, it happened to me

On 1/10/23, Lindsay Cowell  wrote:

Just trying it now, but struggling to get it to send the email with the
verification code.


On 10/01/2023 19:16, Oriol Gómez wrote:

have you tried mist world?

On 1/10/23, Lindsay Cowell  wrote:

Hi all


I feel like I am missing something here guys. Are there not any good
games for PC and windows in particular any more? I can't seem to find
anything, and when I do, it is in another language and doesn't work with
Jaws. Am I missing something here?


Lindsay Cowell.

























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Re: [blind-gamers] Am I missing something, guys?

[Lindsay Cowell]

No not there. checked, and done it twice to get the code. Audio games 
emails were bouncing back, so I wonder if it's that. I'm in a care home, 
so can't mess about with their settings, oh well, I can't play that one 
then.



On 10/01/2023 19:29, Oriol Gómez wrote:

probably went to your spam folder, it happened to me

On 1/10/23, Lindsay Cowell  wrote:

Just trying it now, but struggling to get it to send the email with the
verification code.


On 10/01/2023 19:16, Oriol Gómez wrote:

have you tried mist world?

On 1/10/23, Lindsay Cowell   wrote:

Hi all


I feel like I am missing something here guys. Are there not any good
games for PC and windows in particular any more? I can't seem to find
anything, and when I do, it is in another language and doesn't work with
Jaws. Am I missing something here?


Lindsay Cowell.

























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Re: [blind-gamers] Am I missing something, guys?

[Matthew Chao via groups.io]

Try

www.audiogames.net

--Matthew Chao



On 1/10/2023 1:51 PM, Lindsay Cowell wrote:

Hi all


I feel like I am missing something here guys. Are there not any good 
games for PC and windows in particular any more? I can't seem to find 
anything, and when I do, it is in another language and doesn't work with 
Jaws. Am I missing something here?



Lindsay Cowell.






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Re: [blind-gamers] Am I missing something, guys?

[Oriol Gómez]

probably went to your spam folder, it happened to me

On 1/10/23, Lindsay Cowell  wrote:
> Just trying it now, but struggling to get it to send the email with the
> verification code.
>
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> On 10/01/2023 19:16, Oriol Gómez wrote:
>> have you tried mist world?
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>> On 1/10/23, Lindsay Cowell  wrote:
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>>
>>> I feel like I am missing something here guys. Are there not any good
>>> games for PC and windows in particular any more? I can't seem to find
>>> anything, and when I do, it is in another language and doesn't work with
>>> Jaws. Am I missing something here?
>>>
>>>
>>> Lindsay Cowell.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [blind-gamers] Am I missing something, guys?

[Lindsay Cowell]

Just trying it now, but struggling to get it to send the email with the 
verification code.



On 10/01/2023 19:16, Oriol Gómez wrote:

have you tried mist world?

On 1/10/23, Lindsay Cowell  wrote:

Hi all


I feel like I am missing something here guys. Are there not any good
games for PC and windows in particular any more? I can't seem to find
anything, and when I do, it is in another language and doesn't work with
Jaws. Am I missing something here?


Lindsay Cowell.















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Re: [blind-gamers] Am I missing something, guys?

[Oriol Gómez]

have you tried mist world?

On 1/10/23, Lindsay Cowell  wrote:
> Hi all
>
>
> I feel like I am missing something here guys. Are there not any good
> games for PC and windows in particular any more? I can't seem to find
> anything, and when I do, it is in another language and doesn't work with
> Jaws. Am I missing something here?
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> Lindsay Cowell.
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[Lindsay Cowell]

Hi all


I feel like I am missing something here guys. Are there not any good 
games for PC and windows in particular any more? I can't seem to find 
anything, and when I do, it is in another language and doesn't work with 
Jaws. Am I missing something here?



Lindsay Cowell.



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