Re: [blind-gamers] Developing a Chess Game to be Played on Command Line

[Lanie Molinar]

I don't know how to do all that yet. This is just my second programming 
class, and I still have half a semester to go here. This is just for a 
class project. The rest of my class is creating graphical games, but 
since the graphics library they're using is completely inaccessible, I'm 
creating a chess game using as many concepts from the semester as I can.



On 3/1/2018 11:27 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

To be honest, I would prefur audio type chess.

Maybe a chime or bell for your peaces, a buzz for the other team's 
ppieces, ofcause if you were on the other team, there could be a 
reversed buzz or chime for that or it could be the same sounds.


I'd imagine you would do same as battleship with sapi having to type 
in things as you went.


As for command line, I am unsure how you would represent the pieces 
other than typing them out on full, and listing the board abc d e f g, 
etc and tne numbers.


I am not sure how you would list it all without information overload.

If you need testers I can probably help, handle this game with you.

I am not a full chess player, though.




On 1/03/2018 10:38 p.m., Lanie Molinar wrote:
Hi, everyone. I'm taking a computer programming class, and one of my 
projects is to develop a chess game rather than the graphical games 
my classmates are developing. I'm trying to figure out the best 
format for displaying the chess board. I have a couple ideas and want 
to get your input on them. This game will be played right on the 
command line. I have a couple ideas and just want to see which one 
you would prefer, or if you have suggestions for other ideas. Here 
are the options I've come up with. For either option, capital letters 
will indicate white pieces and lowercase letters will indicate black 
pieces. I can't think of a way to indicate the color of the square, 
but I'll provide a way for the player to look it up if they're not 
sure. The first way involves using |'s, -'s, and +'s to form squares 
around each spot on the board. My worry with this is that there would 
be a lot of output, and it might be confusing or irritating to 
navigate through it all with a screen reader. The second idea I had 
might look something like this, with .'s to indicate empty squares:


   A B C D E F G H

 1 R N B Q K B N R

 2 P P P P P P P P

 3 . . . . . . . .

Those are just the first three rows. It would be simpler to develop, 
but I'm not sure how well it would work when playing. What do you all 
think? Please also let me know if you have any other ideas. I would 
really appreciate it if someone could answer this as soon as 
possible. Thanks.




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Re: [SPAM] Re: [blind-gamers] Developing a Chess Game to be Played on Command Line

[Darren Harris via Groups.Io]

Can you do chess and drafts? Then have it so we can either play the computer or 
play other human players with a scoreboard. 
 
From: blind-gamers@groups.io [mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty 
Schultz
Sent: 02 March 2018 14:35
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [blind-gamers] Developing a Chess Game to be Played on 
Command Line
 
I was thinking of modifying my blindfold checkers game into a chess game, but 
instead of coming up with a computer opponent, hook it up to the FICS server.
Any thoughts?
 
 
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Subject: [SPAM] Re: [blind-gamers] Developing a Chess Game to be Played on 
Command Line
From: "Charles Rivard" 
Date: 3/2/18 7:12 am
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Just a thought:  When I play chess either against humans or machines, I always 
use a separate chess board and men that are designed for blind players.  I 
decide my moves using the tactual set, then enter the moves into the chess 
program or tell the human what my move is.
 

If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
 
From: john  
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 7:56 AM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] Developing a Chess Game to be Played on Command Line
 
Wow, you're really going for the gold ribbon here, good for you!
Accessible computer chess is something I've thought about from time to time, 
and always found rather complicated. The problem is that in order to really 
play the game you need to see the whole board, not just one line at a time. Its 
impossible to trace lines of attack/defense between pieces (or at least 
difficult) unless you can access all of them at once.
All this said, here's my thoughts:
How you design your output should differ based on whether the user has a 
braille display active or not (or if you want to presume they do). With a 
screen reader, its far faster to have each square be represented as a single 
character. With a braille display, you can include more information and 
separate the squares with a space. Examples (again the first three rows, speech 
first):
abcdefgh
1rnbqkbnr
2
3.-.-.-.-
Now for braille. This is designed for a 32-cell display. You have the option of 
including more data on higher cell counts, or even designing multiple display 
modes for different sized displays if you want. Each square gets four cells. 
I'm also going to skip the header rows for the sake of simplicity.
wr wn wb wq wk wb wn wr
wp wp wp wp wp wp wp wp
b- w- b- w- b- w- b- w-
For those without braille displays active (or who don't care to drag one out), 
each piece is represented by either a b or w (black or white) and then a single 
letter code. Its also surrounded on either side by a space, meaning that the 
first piece is indented one cell from the left of the display, and there are 
two cells between each code.
 
In speech mode, your idea of capitalizing one color of pieces would work very 
well. I'd avoid it in braille though, because of the way capital symbols work. 
You may end up taking up more cells than you want.
 
I hope this helps, or at least gives you some ideas. Best of luck!
 
John
 
From: Lanie Molinar  
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2018 4:38
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: [blind-gamers] Developing a Chess Game to be Played on Command Line
 
Hi, everyone. I'm taking a computer programming class, and one of my projects 
is to develop a chess game rather than the graphical games my classmates are 
developing. I'm trying to figure out the best format for displaying the chess 
board. I have a couple ideas and want to get your input on them. This game will 
be played right on the command line. I have a couple ideas and just want to see 
which one you would prefer, or if you have suggestions for other ideas. Here 
are the options I've come up with. For either option, capital letters will 
indicate white pieces and lowercase letters will indicate black pieces. I can't 
think of a way to indicate the color of the square, but I'll provide a way for 
the player to look it up if they're not sure. The first way involves using |'s, 
-'s, and +'s to form squares around each spot on the board. My worry with this 
is that there would be a lot of output, and it might be confusing or irritating 
to navigate through it all with a screen reader. The second idea I had might 
look something like this, with .'s to indicate empty squares:
   A B C D E F G H
1 R N B Q K B N R
2 P P P P P P P P
3 . . . . . . . .
Those are just the first three rows. It would be simpler to develop, but I'm 
not sure how well it would work when playing. What do you all think? Please 
also let me know if you have any other ideas. I would really appreciate it if 
someone could answer this as soon as possible. Thanks.
 
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Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [blind-gamers] Developing a Chess Game to be Played on Command Line

[Marty Schultz]

Building a computer opponent is very difficult.  That won't be a feature.
Do you mean the existing iphone app is accessible with FICS, so there's not 
really a need?
 
 
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[blind-gamers] Developing a Chess Game to be Played on Command Line
From: "Charles Rivard" 
Date: 3/2/18 7:59 am
To: blind-gamers@groups.io

   There is one iPhone app that can be used with FICS, but another one that 
will hopefully make the setting of time for the game would be a VERY good idea. 
 If your app will also serve as an electronic chess opponent, that would be a 
plus as well.
 

If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
 
From: Marty Schultz
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 8:35 AM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [blind-gamers] Developing a Chess Game to be Played on 
Command Line


 

I was thinking of modifying my blindfold checkers game into a chess game, but 
instead of coming up with a computer opponent, hook it up to the FICS server.
Any thoughts?
 
 
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Developing a Chess Game to be Played on Command Line
From: "Charles Rivard" 
Date: 3/2/18 7:12 am
To: blind-gamers@groups.io

   Just a thought:  When I play chess either against humans or machines, I 
always use a separate chess board and men that are designed for blind players.  
I decide my moves using the tactual set, then enter the moves into the chess 
program or tell the human what my move is.
 

If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
 
From: john
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 7:56 AM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] Developing a Chess Game to be Played on Command Line


 

Wow, you're really going for the gold ribbon here, good for you!
 Accessible computer chess is something I've thought about from time to time, 
and always found rather complicated. The problem is that in order to really 
play the game you need to see the whole board, not just one line at a time. Its 
impossible to trace lines of attack/defense between pieces (or at least 
difficult) unless you can access all of them at once.
 All this said, here's my thoughts:
 How you design your output should differ based on whether the user has a 
braille display active or not (or if you want to presume they do). With a 
screen reader, its far faster to have each square be represented as a single 
character. With a braille display, you can include more information and 
separate the squares with a space. Examples (again the first three rows, speech 
first):
 abcdefgh
 1rnbqkbnr
 2
 3.-.-.-.-
 Now for braille. This is designed for a 32-cell display. You have the option 
of including more data on higher cell counts, or even designing multiple 
display modes for different sized displays if you want. Each square gets four 
cells. I'm also going to skip the header rows for the sake of simplicity.
 wr wn wb wq wk wb wn wr
 wp wp wp wp wp wp wp wp
 b- w- b- w- b- w- b- w-
 For those without braille displays active (or who don't care to drag one out), 
each piece is represented by either a b or w (black or white) and then a single 
letter code. Its also surrounded on either side by a space, meaning that the 
first piece is indented one cell from the left of the display, and there are 
two cells between each code.

 In speech mode, your idea of capitalizing one color of pieces would work very 
well. I'd avoid it in braille though, because of the way capital symbols work. 
You may end up taking up more cells than you want.

 I hope this helps, or at least gives you some ideas. Best of luck!

 John
 
 
From: Lanie Molinar
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2018 4:38
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: [blind-gamers] Developing a Chess Game to be Played on Command Line


 
Hi, everyone. I'm taking a computer programming class, and one of my projects 
is to develop a chess game rather than the graphical games my classmates are 
developing. I'm trying to figure out the best format for displaying the chess 
board. I have a couple ideas and want to get your input on them. This game will 
be played right on the command line. I have a couple ideas and just want to see 
which one you would prefer, or if you have suggestions for other ideas. Here 
are the options I've come up with. For either option, capital letters will 
indicate white pieces and lowercase letters will indicate black pieces. I can't 
think of a way to indicate the color of the square, but I'll provide a way for 
the player to look it up if they're not sure. The first way involves using |'s, 
-'s, and +'s to form squares around each spot on the board. My worry with this 
is that there would be a lot of output, and it might be confusing or irritating 
to navigate through it all with a screen reader. The second idea I had might 
look something like this, with .'s to indicate empty squares:
A B C D E F G H
 1 R 

Re: [blind-gamers] Developing a Chess Game to be Played on Command Line

[john]

Wow, you're really going for the gold ribbon here, good for you! 

Accessible computer chess is something I've thought about from time to time, 
and always found rather complicated. The problem is that in order to really 
play the game you need to see the whole board, not just one line at a time. Its 
impossible to trace lines of attack/defense between pieces (or at least 
difficult) unless you can access all of them at once. 

All this said, here's my thoughts: 

How you design your output should differ based on whether the user has a 
braille display active or not (or if you want to presume they do). With a 
screen reader, its far faster to have each square be represented as a single 
character. With a braille display, you can include more information and 
separate the squares with a space. Examples (again the first three rows, speech 
first): 

abcdefgh 

1rnbqkbnr 

2 

3.-.-.-.-

Now for braille. This is designed for a 32-cell display. You have the option of 
including more data on higher cell counts, or even designing multiple display 
modes for different sized displays if you want. Each square gets four cells. 
I'm also going to skip the header rows for the sake of simplicity.

wr wn wb wq wk wb wn wr 

wp wp wp wp wp wp wp wp 

b- w- b- w- b- w- b- w- 

For those without braille displays active (or who don't care to drag one out), 
each piece is represented by either a b or w (black or white) and then a single 
letter code. Its also surrounded on either side by a space, meaning that the 
first piece is indented one cell from the left of the display, and there are 
two cells between each code.



In speech mode, your idea of capitalizing one color of pieces would work very 
well. I'd avoid it in braille though, because of the way capital symbols work. 
You may end up taking up more cells than you want.



I hope this helps, or at least gives you some ideas. Best of luck!



John



From: Lanie Molinar 
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2018 4:38
To: blind-gamers@groups.io 
Subject: [blind-gamers] Developing a Chess Game to be Played on Command Line


Hi, everyone. I'm taking a computer programming class, and one of my projects 
is to develop a chess game rather than the graphical games my classmates are 
developing. I'm trying to figure out the best format for displaying the chess 
board. I have a couple ideas and want to get your input on them. This game will 
be played right on the command line. I have a couple ideas and just want to see 
which one you would prefer, or if you have suggestions for other ideas. Here 
are the options I've come up with. For either option, capital letters will 
indicate white pieces and lowercase letters will indicate black pieces. I can't 
think of a way to indicate the color of the square, but I'll provide a way for 
the player to look it up if they're not sure. The first way involves using |'s, 
-'s, and +'s to form squares around each spot on the board. My worry with this 
is that there would be a lot of output, and it might be confusing or irritating 
to navigate through it all with a screen reader. The second idea I had might 
look something like this, with .'s to indicate empty squares:

   A B C D E F G H

 1 R N B Q K B N R

 2 P P P P P P P P 

 3 . . . . . . . .

Those are just the first three rows. It would be simpler to develop, but I'm 
not sure how well it would work when playing. What do you all think? Please 
also let me know if you have any other ideas. I would really appreciate it if 
someone could answer this as soon as possible. Thanks.






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Re: [blind-gamers] Developing a Chess Game to be Played on Command Line

[Charles Rivard]

How could you test the game if you do not play chess?




If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
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From: Shaun Everiss

Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2018 11:27 PM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] Developing a Chess Game to be Played on Command 
Line


To be honest, I would prefur audio type chess.

Maybe a chime or bell for your peaces, a buzz for the other team's
ppieces, ofcause if you were on the other team, there could be a
reversed buzz or chime for that or it could be the same sounds.

I'd imagine you would do same as battleship with sapi having to type in
things as you went.

As for command line, I am unsure how you would represent the pieces
other than typing them out on full, and listing the board abc d e f g,
etc and tne numbers.

I am not sure how you would list it all without information overload.

If you need testers I can probably help, handle this game with you.

I am not a full chess player, though.




On 1/03/2018 10:38 p.m., Lanie Molinar wrote:
Hi, everyone. I'm taking a computer programming class, and one of my 
projects is to develop a chess game rather than the graphical games my 
classmates are developing. I'm trying to figure out the best format for 
displaying the chess board. I have a couple ideas and want to get your 
input on them. This game will be played right on the command line. I have 
a couple ideas and just want to see which one you would prefer, or if you 
have suggestions for other ideas. Here are the options I've come up with. 
For either option, capital letters will indicate white pieces and 
lowercase letters will indicate black pieces. I can't think of a way to 
indicate the color of the square, but I'll provide a way for the player to 
look it up if they're not sure. The first way involves using |'s, -'s, and 
+'s to form squares around each spot on the board. My worry with this is 
that there would be a lot of output, and it might be confusing or 
irritating to navigate through it all with a screen reader. The second 
idea I had might look something like this, with .'s to indicate empty 
squares:


   A B C D E F G H

 1 R N B Q K B N R

 2 P P P P P P P P

 3 . . . . . . . .

Those are just the first three rows. It would be simpler to develop, but 
I'm not sure how well it would work when playing. What do you all think? 
Please also let me know if you have any other ideas. I would really 
appreciate it if someone could answer this as soon as possible. Thanks.




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Re: [blind-gamers] Developing a Chess Game to be Played on Command Line

[Shaun Everiss]

To be honest, I would prefur audio type chess.

Maybe a chime or bell for your peaces, a buzz for the other team's 
ppieces, ofcause if you were on the other team, there could be a 
reversed buzz or chime for that or it could be the same sounds.


I'd imagine you would do same as battleship with sapi having to type in 
things as you went.


As for command line, I am unsure how you would represent the pieces 
other than typing them out on full, and listing the board abc d e f g, 
etc and tne numbers.


I am not sure how you would list it all without information overload.

If you need testers I can probably help, handle this game with you.

I am not a full chess player, though.




On 1/03/2018 10:38 p.m., Lanie Molinar wrote:
Hi, everyone. I'm taking a computer programming class, and one of my 
projects is to develop a chess game rather than the graphical games my 
classmates are developing. I'm trying to figure out the best format 
for displaying the chess board. I have a couple ideas and want to get 
your input on them. This game will be played right on the command 
line. I have a couple ideas and just want to see which one you would 
prefer, or if you have suggestions for other ideas. Here are the 
options I've come up with. For either option, capital letters will 
indicate white pieces and lowercase letters will indicate black 
pieces. I can't think of a way to indicate the color of the square, 
but I'll provide a way for the player to look it up if they're not 
sure. The first way involves using |'s, -'s, and +'s to form squares 
around each spot on the board. My worry with this is that there would 
be a lot of output, and it might be confusing or irritating to 
navigate through it all with a screen reader. The second idea I had 
might look something like this, with .'s to indicate empty squares:


   A B C D E F G H

 1 R N B Q K B N R

 2 P P P P P P P P

 3 . . . . . . . .

Those are just the first three rows. It would be simpler to develop, 
but I'm not sure how well it would work when playing. What do you all 
think? Please also let me know if you have any other ideas. I would 
really appreciate it if someone could answer this as soon as possible. 
Thanks.




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