Uh, this conversion has lost its focus.
We were discussing the native viability of the OS X Terminal for TTS
based screen reader use. My mention of Speakup on a laptop was intended
as illustrative, not an expression of concern.
As it happens, I had no problem running Speakup in a VMware Linux vm
Ahh. But you can change they Speakup key to be something other than the
CapsLock key.
I modified my keymap to use the Alt key instead of Caps Lock.
Here's how I modified mine.
su - root
cat /speakup/keymap > keymap.new
vi keymap.new
Within vi I changed
58, 128, 128, 0, 0, 0, 0,
to
56, 128, 128,
Ah, precisely my point. There's no numpad on an Airbook. This isn't a
problem for Speakup in Linux where you simply use CapsLock as a
modifier. But that's a doing anything robust with CapsLock is a long
standing issue with Macintosh.
Linux for blind general discussion writes:
>
> In voiceovr conf
Hi, Bryan:
A few comments ...
I've not done it myself, but I understand you can indeed use VirtualBox
on a Mac as long as you do all the setup from the terminal. GUI
installation and configuration is apparently unavailable, but everything
one needs to do to get an accessible talking vm can be acc
Hi!
Well, Vmware fusion works fine here but an upgrade is to expensive for me.
VIrtualbox can be triggered from the console or terminal.
Paralels desktop is not accessible.
/A
> 5 mars 2018 kl. 22:07 skrev Linux for blind general discussion
> :
>
>
> I would be curious to hear how you were succ
In voiceovr configuration there are key and numpad commander settings. Speech
functions can be attached to them. The key commanders can be
used with any keyboarrd, numpad commanders are best suited where there is a
numpad.
On Mon, 5 Mar 2018, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Linux
I would be curious to hear how you were successful in using a virtual box to
run any other operating system when using a screen reader to interact with your
machine? I have tried VMware Fusion on my Mac, Virtualbox, and Parallels with
absolutely no great success. Virtualbox is completely inacce
there is a option in voice over utilities
for using the numpad
if no one responds back let me know and I can turn on my macbook and
give you exact instructions on where to go
On 3/5/2018 8:21 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
Linux for blind general discussion writes:
Voiceover ca
Hi Janina and all,
On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:21:47AM -0500, Linux for blind general discussion
wrote:
>> 2. You said "After using a Mac for a few weeks at work I was very
>> disappointed.
>> Especialy the VoiceOver support in the terminal is not more then
>> rudimentary compared to the things
Linux for blind general discussion writes:
>
> Voiceover can be made to act exactly like speakup using the numpad keys.
>
On an Airbook? How?
> On Thu, 1 Mar 2018, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
> > Oh, yes, one can do this with Voice Over, but it's so very, very
> > cumbersome com
Do you know of this, mac os is listed and apparently can be compiled:
https://github.com/brltty/brltty
One can open a ticket to make a request of macports for a new port. Homebrew
is the other major port source who can be approached also. I
have found both open to such requests and each has
Hi!
I think you can install brltty onto mac with some screen drivers but i am not
sure how to do this as this goes above my head.
/A
> 2 mars 2018 kl. 23:12 skrev Linux for blind general discussion
> :
>
> hello fellow old curmudgeon. :)
>
> I have been wanting to port BrlTTY over to OS X, but
hello fellow old curmudgeon. :)
I have been wanting to port BrlTTY over to OS X, but it's being a pain in the
butt. I am not a coder, so my knowledge is a bit limited there. Also, it seems
that no one has considered porting this most useful of console tools to
macports.
btw, OS X is not the on
Voiceover can be made to act exactly like speakup using the numpad keys.
On Thu, 1 Mar 2018, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Oh, yes, one can do this with Voice Over, but it's so very, very
> cumbersome compared to using Speakup's numeric keypad screen review.
>
> I just don't have a
Bryan:
I want to agree. I would expect that anything one reads here is
someone's opinion. I believe that's a given especially in a nonfactual
discussion where terms like "best" or "works well" are tossed about.
Some of us older curmudgeons on the list, perhaps especially yours
truly, may jump in
I agree VoiceOver does require a lot to interact with navigation commands but
the speech output is amazing. Also I only ever use a laptop so I do not use a
num pad with my machine. Another thing I will add in all this is that we all
will be a bit partial or bias toward the OS, screen reader or t
Oh, yes, one can do this with Voice Over, but it's so very, very
cumbersome compared to using Speakup's numeric keypad screen review.
I just don't have all day to fuss with VO. Just my experience.
Janina
Linux for blind general discussion writes:
> -eric,
>
> I honestly do not have any special
Here are the major adjustments I fund useful for using voiceover in terminal on
a mac as a ssh base:
1. in vo preferences have all cursors follow each other, including the mouse
cursor.
2. when in terminal go into text interaction mode.
3. Use the standard mac navigation and vo speech command
Tim here. Eric wrote about issues with man formatting. There are a
couple options:
At least with GNU man (the default on most Linux systems, but not the
BSDs), you can have `man` open your page in your $BROWSER. So you
can do something like
$ export BROWSER=`which lynx`
$ man -H strftime
t
I have this same problem. My solution is to use wrapper scripts
to format commands and place their output into
text editor buffers.
For example, my $HOME/bin/myman command contains this:
man $1 | col -b > /tmp/myman$$
vi /tmp/myman$$
rm /tmp/myman$$
Another command I use a lot is my $HOME/bin/
that does help.
However, given how the man pages are formatted, there are some issues dealing
with the highlighted text inside those manages, as well as underlined links.
What would appear, visually, to be a single word highlighted and in all caps
turns into individual capitalized letters separa
yes with quick nav on you can use the right and down arrows together to enter
interaction mode but I do not use quick nav because it changes the way commands
are issued and it bothers me to have to turn it on and off for different
scenarios
Bryan Duarte | software engineer
ASU Computer Science
I think you can switch a Mac keyboard so you only press 2 kees instead of 3? But
since I only have Linux here, well, I hope thats an option
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-eric,
I honestly do not have any special software or configerations to interact with
the Unix console. I have noticed that each person who is having issues with the
Mac terminal have in common. Remember Voiceover requires that you use the
VoiceOver keys to navigate the VoiceOver cursor. It is
I have issues inside the terminal, especially with reading man pages. what
configurations do you suggest that would help?
Totally blind mac user here.
-eric
On Feb 28, 2018, at 6:31 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
>
> I concur with using a mac as a ssh base. The bsd based te
Hi!
THe braille support on the mac terminal is not so good IMHO.
But it should be possible to compile and install brltty on the mac for better
console support.
I haven’t done that yet as i am not understanding how to do that correctly.
/A
> 28 feb. 2018 kl. 17:21 skrev Linux for blind general dis
Good point, Janina. I do recall that Windows 10 has the ability to do
Linux distros. I'll have to look into it. I've just had Cygwin installed
for so long and it works fine, so haven't bothered to look into what's
new. Glad you reminded me about it, thanks!
Kathy
On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 8:24
Cygwin is the old way. There's now native Linux available on Windows 10.
Currently it's Ubuntu and two flavors of Suse Linux, but more Linux
distros are coming.
Linux for blind general discussion writes:
> I do plan on trying out ORCA at some point here. Most of our servers are
> non-physicals, b
I agree with the below, though I've also been reasonably happy with the
Linux bash shells provided by Windows 10.
Janina
Linux for blind general discussion writes:
> Why not just ssh into your Linux servers from a Linux terminal? Its ssh
> capability is far better than anything you can get from a
Hi,
Jumping in here to try and clarify one point ...
Linux for blind general discussion writes:
...
> Do you use also a brailledisplay on the Mac and in the terminal?
> Answer:
> I do in deed us a Braille display on my Mac with no problem. I have a Focus
> 40 Blue and it works great. I will adm
Hello Schoepp,
I can answer all of these questions for you and I will present a few of my own
for you.
Your Questions:
I am still interested how people are able to work in the Mac
terminal with VoiceOver successfully and productively. Are there any
settings for the Mac terminal that make Voic
This is really helpful, Schoepp, thanks. And thanks to everyone else who
replied since yesterday. Catching up on all your posts. This is giving me
a lot of ideas to try. :)
Kathy
>
> I had the same idea a few years ago and thought that a Mac would be the
> best solution for my needs. A Mac has
On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 08:31:23AM -0500, Linux for blind general discussion
wrote:
>
>
>I concur with using a mac as a ssh base. The bsd based terminal can
>be made much more accessable using the mac's native voiceover with a
>few minor system configuration changes.
Which changes are necessar
I concur with using a mac as a ssh base. The bsd based terminal can be made
much more accessable using the mac's native voiceover with a few
minor system configuration changes.
One then has a good screen reader for any text based shh session or using ports
of text applications in the mac as w
Hi Bryan,
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 12:12:06PM -0700, Linux for blind general
discussion wrote:
>
>I use Mac due to its high quality screen reader, easy to use
>interface, and access to Unix terminal.
I had the same idea a few years ago and thought that a Mac would be the
best solution for my ne
The default desktop for Vinux 5 is Unity, but you can also switch to
Mate or Gnome. I ended up switching to Gnome because Vinux made it so
easy to give all three a try, and I decided I just preferred Gnome.
On 02/27/2018 01:48 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
Thanks, Rudy. That
Kathy,
why not try one or more accessible Linux distributions?
I develop Slint and can help you get acquainted with it.
Beyond full accessibility from installation throgh usage with brltty,
espeakup in console mode and orca on the desktops (among which Mate),
it includes a complete toolbox and rea
Kathy,
I learned Braille at age 47. It took me just about 8 months to get down the
basics. After that, it just takes practice, practice and still more practice.
One other item in the braille arena you will need to learn is computer braille
(it's 8 dot as opposed to 6 dot). It will allow you a mu
More great info, thank you! This and what others have said has given me a
lot to look into and try.
As to the braille, I agree with you. I have already taken a couple of
classes in it, but I have not kept up with it, mostly because I wasn't
desperate enough at the time I think. But the writing
Kathy,
well, there are several options in a straight linux environment.
ORCA is, by far, the most used for any of the Desktop managers in Linux and X.
It works best in GTK and Gnome based DM's and is mostly usable in KDE.
There is also Speakup for console operations. This along with BrlTTY,
Em
Well Kathy-and-All, as far as strictly a screen-reader, my all-time favorite was
Volcal-Eyes, quite stable. Yes, since 2003 I am running speakup, but with
continuing frustrations involving the DecTalk. As far as N V D A the flat
review mode was nice, but reading a unix shell was not so intuitiv
Thanks, Rudy. That Vinux is pretty interesting. Apparently it works with
Unity GNOME desktop. I will have to check it out!
https://vinuxproject.org/
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 11:35 AM, Linux for blind general discussion <
blinux-list@redhat.com> wrote:
> I was in your position several years ago
I do plan on trying out ORCA at some point here. Most of our servers are
non-physicals, but I can just build a physical Ubuntu system with ORCA on
one of my spare physical workstations. Once I'm in a cygwin window on my
Windows system, I just ssh from there to other servers. I generally have
sev
You are very welcome Kathy. I understand I may have a bias towards Mac since I
use it predominately but I also advocate for individuals using what ever tool
can allow them to get the job done. For me I use a Mac for the before mentioned
reasons and because when I need to access Linux I can do so
I was in your position several years ago. My solution was
to set up my environment to use all text based command line tools, and
hook up a talking terminal based on DOS, Vocal Eyes, and Telix to a headless
Unix/Linux box.
Recently my DOS machine died for good, and I switched to speakup.
There is
Why not just ssh into your Linux servers from a Linux terminal? Its ssh
capability is far better than anything you can get from a Windows app
using their lackluster screen readers.
Java apps use the java-atk-bridge to work with Orca, but that's only if
you require graphical tools. If not, you
Thanks, Harmony and Bryan, for the quick replies. You guys are definitely
making me want to try my Mac in my work environment as it sounds like I
might have better luck with more things. My Linux servers are a mixture of
Redhat Enterprise Linux, CentOS, or Ubuntu. Some ancient Debian. Some of
t
Hello Kathy,
I will admittedly confess that I too have asked these same types of questions
recently on this list. I understand there are a lot of Linux users who rely on
assistive technology to interact with their system but for me Orca was not
working as expected. I am a PhD research student a
Hello Kathy,
I am just getting started on learning system administrations, as I've
always wanted to host my own web site, e-mail, and manage my DNS. I
started out with a Windows server 2012 R2, but found that it was too
expensive. Plus, people say that in terms of security, Windows is one of
t
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