[Bloat] how to ecn again on osx and ios!!!

2021-03-09 Thread Dave Taht
The additional sysctl required to re-enable ecn negotiation always is sudo sysctl -w net.inet.tcp.disable_tcp_heuristics=1 See also: https://github.com/apple-opensource/xnu/blob/master/bsd/netinet/tcp_cache.c#L164 It disables mptcp and tfo, which for purposes of even basic worldwide testing of t

Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] a start at the FCC filing

2021-03-04 Thread Dave Taht
let me explain. My core political view has always > been that centralizing functions in government unnecessarily is the same > thing as despotism, that the ends don't justify the means, but that > organization of functions in society "organically" is better than any &

[Bloat] receiver side ledbat?

2021-03-02 Thread Dave Taht
I always kind of thought that clamping the receiver side window more dynamically would help a lot on cellular networks. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-iccrg-rledbat-01 -- "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Mother Nature cannot be fooled

[Bloat] testing latency under load on webrtc with galene?

2021-03-01 Thread Dave Taht
Given that we have a worldwide network of flent servers... Given how easy galene is to hack on... and a 10 minute install... given some webrtc scripting... a few more stats... some javascript... skull sweat... funding... It seems plausible to be able to construct a suite of tests that could inde

Re: [Bloat] HardenedBSD implementation of CAKE

2021-03-01 Thread Dave Taht
to clarify fq_codel has been in freebsd for quite some time. I know nothing about that bsd or other bsds, as soon as I saw a mbuf my brain melted. But my hope would be it ports over to all the other bsds. I would LOVE a cake dev (not me!) to partner up with a BSD dev or three to port cake. It woul

[Bloat] fcc's samknows tests of the internet

2021-02-25 Thread Dave Taht
see page 31 for the latency under load test. The voip is terrible where perhaps, something like irtt would be useful, and they could really use a videoconferencing test. https://data.fcc.gov/download/measuring-broadband-america/2020/Technical-Appendix-fixed-2020.pdf -- "For a successful technolo

Re: [Bloat] Updated Bufferbloat Test

2021-02-25 Thread Dave Taht
On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 5:38 AM Simon Barber wrote: > > The ITU say voice should be <150mS, however in the real world people are a > lot more tolerant. Because they have to be. A call with 5ms latency is amazing. >A GSM -> GSM phone call is ~350mS, and very few people complain about that. >Tha

Re: [Bloat] Updated Bufferbloat Test

2021-02-24 Thread Dave Taht
and with the sqmscripts off? On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 9:29 PM Kenneth Porter wrote: > > On 2/24/2021 2:15 PM, Kenneth Porter wrote: > > > > I'll try to remember to run this from my office tonight when nobody's > > around. We've got a 50 Mbps fiber connection with AT&T and I'm using > > fq_codel on

Re: [Bloat] Updated Bufferbloat Test

2021-02-24 Thread Dave Taht
So I've taken a tiny amount of time to run a few tests. For starters, thank you very much for your dedication and time into creating such a usable website, and faq. I have several issues though I really haven't had time to delve deep into the packet captures. (others, please try taking em, and put

Re: [Bloat] [Cake] Fwd: [Galene] Dave on bufferbloat and jitter at 8pm CET Tuesday 23

2021-02-23 Thread Dave Taht
wow, that is (predictably) miserable, even with cake. The only solution that is going to work is to somehow actively monitor your link quality and adjust cake to suit. Or we can start trying to use kathie's passive ping tools. On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 1:30 PM Nils Andreas Svee wrote: > > Thanks fo

[Bloat] Fwd: [Galene] Dave on bufferbloat and jitter at 8pm CET Tuesday 23

2021-02-23 Thread Dave Taht
ve on bufferbloat and jitter at 8pm CET Tuesday 23 To: Slightly off topic, Dave Taht will be giving a talk about bufferbloat and jitter in the Internet at 8pm CET today, Tuesday 23 February 2021: https://ffwd.flashgrants.org/calendar.html#event-16/ I haven't seen his talk yet, but Dave is

[Bloat] Fwd: [Galene] Talk about Galène today (monday) at 17pm CET

2021-02-22 Thread Dave Taht
-- Forwarded message - From: Juliusz Chroboczek Date: Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 5:32 AM Subject: [Galene] Talk about Galène today (monday) at 17pm CET To: I'll be giving a talk about Galène this afternoon: https://ffwd.flashgrants.org/calendar.html#event-15/ (Yeah, I know, it say

[Bloat] van jacobson at ietf on codel

2021-02-19 Thread Dave Taht
After suffering through a FCC roundtable, I stumbled upon this, and I feel much better about life again. https://archive.org/details/video1_20191129 -- "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Mother Nature cannot be fooled" - Richard Feynman d...@t

Re: [Bloat] fq_codel on mikrotik, finally

2021-02-19 Thread Dave Taht
Didn't SAY it was ready to deploy... :) However, getting more testers would be nice in getting more to deploy... On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 7:39 AM Kenneth Porter wrote: > > On 2/18/2021 8:44 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > > That finishes covering the two biggest players in the wis

[Bloat] ethernet makes a comeback

2021-02-19 Thread Dave Taht
the fact that someone has to write a basic article about the benefits of ethernet like this is still mind boggling, but y'know, maybe it will make a comeback. https://www.zdnet.com/article/ethernet-why-your-home-office-could-use-more-of-it/ -- "For a successful technology, reality must take pre

[Bloat] fq_codel on mikrotik, finally

2021-02-18 Thread Dave Taht
That finishes covering the two biggest players in the wisp market, finally. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNT3CqmVFi4 -- "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Mother Nature cannot be fooled" - Richard Feynman d...@taht.net CTO, TekLibre, LLC T

[Bloat] a start at the FCC filing

2021-02-18 Thread Dave Taht
Link below: If anyone would care to edit or comment. I really struggled with a means to present an "upgrade in place" in a uniformly positive manner. I had to cut out a lot of cusswords. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1T21on7g1MqQZoK91epUdxLYFGdtyLRgBat0VXoC9e3I/edit?usp=sharing Secondly, I

[Bloat] tuesday feb 23 my shuttleworth conference talk on openwrt and bloat

2021-02-18 Thread Dave Taht
see: https://ffwd.flashgrants.org/calendar.html#event-16/ for more details Also, Juliusz is giving a talk on his Galene videoconferencing server feb 22. Please feel free to drop in. (In part both talks are my fiendish attempt to stress out galene with 100+ users) -- "For a successful technology

[Bloat] pfsense fq_codel tutorial

2021-02-18 Thread Dave Taht
https://isc.sans.edu/diary/Securing+and+Optimizing+Networks%3A+Using+pfSense+Traffic+Shaper+Limiters+to+Combat+Bufferbloat/27102 I do wish they had link compensation in there, and this is the first time ever I've seen a suggestion to use 64k queues. I honestly have never tried that many -- "

Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] cringley rants well on bloat

2021-02-11 Thread Dave Taht
gant ignorance, including many of the folks who get boondoggles > from their company to attend IETF. > > > > But it may be the opposite, after all. Maybe we folks don't understand what > is true in this real Bizarro World, and bufferbloat is a hoax like COVID. Q > is

[Bloat] cringley rants well on bloat

2021-02-08 Thread Dave Taht
https://www.cringely.com/2021/02/04/2021-prediction-4-wifi-6-is-a-bust-for-now-as-bufferbloat-returns-thanks-to-isp-greed/ -- "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Mother Nature cannot be fooled" - Richard Feynman d...@taht.net CTO, TekLibre, LLC

[Bloat] more dumping of my stack re FCC Emergency Broadband Benefit Program

2021-02-07 Thread Dave Taht
Ironically enough I can't find the original link to the huge FCC filing we'd done5+ years bafck, just the ancillary documents. Anybody know where it is? Basically what I want to produce is a 2-3 page letter focused on the bufferbloat issue on rural broadband and on emergency services.I may perhaps

[Bloat] This was the ending of my last exchange with the FCC

2021-02-07 Thread Dave Taht
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zTWewEJ3h4jRMZ9ZNuXioyp9Msjj1j43eq8qmJxx4Ks/edit?usp=sharing -- "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Mother Nature cannot be fooled" - Richard Feynman d...@taht.net CTO, TekLibre, LLC Tel: 1-831-435-0729 __

[Bloat] An old attempt at an bufferbloat.net update

2021-02-07 Thread Dave Taht
I'd started this document ages back and never finished it. updating this for 2021 is independent of tackling the FCC issue. If anyone wants to take a peek or edit, it's here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GreX7OoRF-3wrx2VZ6MHewL4TSDDHSpRmjr5KoY4Gao/edit?usp=sharing -- "For a successful t

Re: [Bloat] waveform bufferbloat test is GOOOD

2021-02-02 Thread Dave Taht
ee that A+ and zeros for bloat. > > for reference, the dslreports test: > https://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/67140120 > > Cheers, > > Jonathan > > On Feb 1, 2021, at 10:33 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > > https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat?test-id=bea9f548-086a-4

[Bloat] waveform bufferbloat test is GOOOD

2021-02-01 Thread Dave Taht
https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat?test-id=bea9f548-086a-4a74-bbde-b05b33f689a2 I am very happy with this test, and I must admit, if it was discussed here, already, I must have missed the thread. Not only is the test well structured and fast - and some people like whisker plots more than m

Re: [Bloat] Feb 12th: FCC virtual roundtable to gather public input on how to structure the new Emergency Broadband Benefit Program

2021-01-28 Thread Dave Taht
On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 1:39 PM Michael Richardson wrote: > > > Dave Taht wrote: > > It might be useful for some of us to crash this. I've always kind of > > thought that having a "router reclamation center" where users could > > drop off ol

Re: [Bloat] Feb 12th: FCC virtual roundtable to gather public input on how to structure the new Emergency Broadband Benefit Program

2021-01-28 Thread Dave Taht
-0432 (TTY). For further information, please contact Christian Hoefly at christian.hoe...@fcc.gov. Vint Cerf 1:50 PM (4 hours ago) to me On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 12:43 PM Dave Taht wrote: > > https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-announces-roundtable-emergency-broadband-benefit-program >

[Bloat] prep: shuttleworth flash grants conference feb 21 - 26 February 2021

2021-01-28 Thread Dave Taht
I think this is a recipient - only conference, but I was invited to participate, ( a flash grant helped pay for our battle with the fcc and we had tried and failed to get a shuttleworth block grant for make-wifi-fast) I would like to put together an updated preso on the state of the bloat, as wel

[Bloat] Feb 12th: FCC virtual roundtable to gather public input on how to structure the new Emergency Broadband Benefit Program

2021-01-28 Thread Dave Taht
https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-announces-roundtable-emergency-broadband-benefit-program It might be useful for some of us to crash this. I've always kind of thought that having a "router reclamation center" where users could drop off old, but reflashable routers, and get theirs reflashed with op

[Bloat] not a good day for internet security

2021-01-26 Thread Dave Taht
patch, patch, patch away. https://www.qualys.com/2021/01/26/cve-2021-3156/baron-samedit-heap-based-overflow-sudo.txt -- "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Mother Nature cannot be fooled" - Richard Feynman d...@taht.net CTO, TekLibre, LLC Tel:

Re: [Bloat] UniFi Dream Machine Pro

2021-01-26 Thread Dave Taht
On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 5:08 PM Nils Andreas Svee wrote: > > > For the record I helped do the original fq_codel port to the > > edgerouter over a weekend back in 2013. the ubnt > > community jumped all over it, polished up the configuration language > > to use it, leveraged the sqm > > spec and de

Re: [Bloat] UniFi Dream Machine Pro

2021-01-23 Thread Dave Taht
On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 7:55 AM Dave Taht wrote: > > This review, highly recommending this router on the high end > > https://www.increasebroadbandspeed.co.uk/best-router-2020 > > also states that the sqm implementation has been dumbed down > significantly and can only shape

Re: [Bloat] UniFi Dream Machine Pro

2021-01-23 Thread Dave Taht
On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 11:43 AM Stuart Cheshire wrote: > > On 20 Jan 2021, at 07:55, Dave Taht wrote: > > > This review, highly recommending this router on the high end > > > > https://www.increasebroadbandspeed.co.uk/best-router-2020 > > > > also stat

[Bloat] fq_codel defaulting in debian kernels

2021-01-21 Thread Dave Taht
I'd noticed that a lot of debian derived distros especially in arm (armbian is where I noticed it) had fq_codel enabled by systemd but not built by default in their default_defconfig for that arch. debian's fixing that apparently, but perhaps building it right needs to go into kernel mainline. ht

Re: [Bloat] Thanks to developers / htb+fq_codel ISP shaper

2021-01-20 Thread Dave Taht
On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 2:07 PM Robert Chacon < robert.cha...@jackrabbitwireless.com> wrote: > > Cool! What kind of performance are you seeing? The README mentions being > > limited by the BPF hash table size, but can you actually shape 2000 > > customers on one machine? On what kind of hardware a

Re: [Bloat] Thanks to developers / htb+fq_codel ISP shaper

2021-01-20 Thread Dave Taht
Thank you robert, but way more than dozens of folk were and remain more involved in the effort. For starters Jim Gettys fired it all up, and like him, I'm mostly retreated to the sidelines, working on other things. Perhaps in 2021, with a new administration and FCC chair, and so many families stuck

[Bloat] uk and canada starlink beta

2021-01-20 Thread Dave Taht
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/20/spacex-expands-starlink-public-beta-test-to-canada-united-kingdom.html Anyone on it yet? -- "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Mother Nature cannot be fooled" - Richard Feynman d...@taht.net CTO, TekLibre, LLC

[Bloat] UniFi Dream Machine Pro

2021-01-20 Thread Dave Taht
This review, highly recommending this router on the high end https://www.increasebroadbandspeed.co.uk/best-router-2020 also states that the sqm implementation has been dumbed down significantly and can only shape 800Mbit inbound. Long ago we did a backport of cake to the other ubnt routers mentio

Re: [Bloat] starting an isp in 2019

2021-01-12 Thread Dave Taht
even better: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/01/jared-mauch-didnt-have-good-broadband-so-he-built-his-own-fiber-isp/ On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 9:09 PM Dave Taht wrote: > > oops: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASXJgvy3mEg > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 9:07 PM Dave

Re: [Bloat] starting an isp in 2019

2021-01-12 Thread Dave Taht
oops: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASXJgvy3mEg On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 9:07 PM Dave Taht wrote: > > also of interest this evening is this vid about how to start your own isp > > https://washftth.com/ > > > > -- > "For a successful technology, reality

[Bloat] starting an isp in 2019

2021-01-12 Thread Dave Taht
also of interest this evening is this vid about how to start your own isp https://washftth.com/ -- "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Mother Nature cannot be fooled" - Richard Feynman d...@taht.net CTO, TekLibre, LLC Tel: 1-831-435-0729

[Bloat] still pretty fascinated by starlink

2021-01-12 Thread Dave Taht
https://hackaday.com/2021/01/11/starlink-satellite-dish-x-rayed-to-unlock-rf-magic-inside/ -- "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Mother Nature cannot be fooled" - Richard Feynman d...@taht.net CTO, TekLibre, LLC Tel: 1-831-435-0729

[Bloat] D* tcp looks pretty good, on paper

2021-01-07 Thread Dave Taht
See: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2012.14996.pdf Things I really like: * they used flent * Using "variance" as the principal signal. This is essentially one of the great unpublished and unanalyzed improvements on the minstrel algorithm as well * Conventional ecn response * outperforms bbr on variable li

[Bloat] carmack on bloat

2021-01-03 Thread Dave Taht
https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1345553610676051974 presently 466 likes out of million followers. Somehow getting awareness of what bufferbloat is and how to fix it into more than .005 % of the internet population is on my mind -- "For a successful technology, reality must take prec

Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] my thx to spacex (and kerbal space program) forcheering me up all year

2021-01-02 Thread Dave Taht
record you singing over your part in that song? :) ) > > On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 9:17 AM Dave Taht wrote: >> >> Taking scott manley off the cc. As much as I would like him to sit in >> on that song, I don't think he cares about bufferbloat as much as Id >> l

Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] my thx to spacex (and kerbal space program) forcheering me up all year

2021-01-02 Thread Dave Taht
why can't Starlink get it right first time? > > It's not like bufferbloat is hard on a single bent pipe hop, which is all > Starlink does today. > > -Original Message- > From: "Dave Taht" > Sent: Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 1:37 pm > To: "bloat"

[Bloat] my thx to spacex (and kerbal space program) for cheering me up all year

2020-12-31 Thread Dave Taht
If it wasn't for such a long list of wonderful accomplishments in space, it would have been a sadder year. i just re-recorded my song "one first landing" out on my dinghy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjur0RG-v-I&feature=youtu.be Maybe someday I'll get scott manley to do his verse on this. Try

[Bloat] Study on performance of AQM schemes over TCP variants in different network environments

2020-12-20 Thread Dave Taht
probably one of the best comparisons of red vs codel, at low rtts, I've seen as yet. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1049/cmu2.12061 -- "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Mother Nature cannot be fooled" - Richard Feynman d...@taht.n

[Bloat] pquic + fq_codel + lowrtt + multipath

2020-12-20 Thread Dave Taht
the lowrtt scheduler is pretty impressive as an example of what can be additionally achieved at the application layer. See pp 49- https://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:1451478/FULLTEXT02 -- "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Mother Nature

[Bloat] Fwd: [Babel-users] Fwd: [Galene] ANNOUNCE: Galene 0.1

2020-12-19 Thread Dave Taht
I am a big fan of anything juliusz touches and found early renditions of this code a lot more readable than jitsi and janus -- Forwarded message - From: Juliusz Chroboczek Date: Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 11:18 AM Subject: [Babel-users] Fwd: [Galene] ANNOUNCE: Galene 0.1 To: -

[Bloat] Reducing Kernel Queuing Delays with TCP Window Space Events

2020-12-13 Thread Dave Taht
https://www.nrl.navy.mil/itd/chacs/sites/www.nrl.navy.mil.itd.chacs/files/pdfs/Reducing%20Kernel%20Queuing%20Delays%20with%20TCP%20Window%20Space%20Events.pdf -- "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Mother Nature cannot be fooled" - Richard Feynma

Re: [Bloat] starlink

2020-12-12 Thread Dave Taht
Sigh. On the plus side the hardware in use on the UFO is a pretty good QCA platform. It is speculated on another thread that it actually runs openwrt. So with a few soldiered on pins to get at a serial port or figuring out some other way into the box we could make a dent in this. On Thu, Dec

Re: [Bloat] Comparing bufferbloat tests (was: We built a new bufferbloat test and keen for feedback)

2020-11-13 Thread Dave Taht
I just wanted to note on this enormous thread that my primary beef with most speedtests is the too short duration. cable's "Powerboost" was optimized for speedtests' 20 sec duration. The internet as a whole ended up optimized for a ~20sec download as a result Run a test for 21 seconds, and boo

[Bloat] Fwd: Long Now Talk: Nadia Eghbal, The Making and Maintenance of our Open Source Infrastructure on 11/17/20

2020-10-30 Thread Dave Taht
Although IMHO nadia has overfocused on the javascript infrastructure rather than all the C and kernel stuff that runs as root, I am really happy with much of what she's published so far. I don't know if there will be a Q&A session on this talk. -- Forwarded message - From: Long Now

[Bloat] Fwd: Watch "SpaceX Viasat THROWDOWN on Latency Reveals REAL Starlink Latency under load and Testing Plans" on YouTube

2020-10-28 Thread Dave Taht
-- Forwarded message - From: Jim Gettys Date: Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 6:50 AM Subject: Watch "SpaceX Viasat THROWDOWN on Latency Reveals REAL Starlink Latency under load and Testing Plans" on YouTube To: Dave Taht https://youtu.be/oGhXZnqBoMs -- "For a succes

[Bloat] starlink linux in space

2020-09-22 Thread Dave Taht
When I first started talking about linux in space (circa 1998), people thought I was crazy... when spacedev and multiple amateur sats flew with it, in the mid 00s, people thought they were crazy. Now... https://www.zdnet.com/article/spacex-weve-launched-32000-linux-computers-into-space-for-starlin

Re: [Bloat] How about a topical LWN article on demonstrating the real-world goodness of CAKE?

2020-09-08 Thread Dave Taht
Dear David: I think freeswitch still has a public sip echo server which might be a better test than skype? I tend to think there is a lot of bloat on the endpoints nowadays because it "helps" on not having to deal with jitter that the bloat on the rest of the internet induces. But 1sec you got on

Re: [Bloat] How about a topical LWN article on demonstrating the real-world goodness of CAKE?

2020-09-05 Thread Dave Taht
I note that.I pretty much took the summer off. And I'm trying to get started again. Did this article come off? On Sun, Aug 9, 2020 at 11:27 AM David Collier-Brown wrote: > > I suspect not enough people are aware of the later efforts of the > bufferbloat team, so I'm thinking of one or two artic

Re: [Bloat] CAKE in openwrt high CPU

2020-08-30 Thread Dave Taht
cake reschedules too much compared to the tweaks we have to keep htb fed, at these rates. It was kind of my hope to gain a hw assist in future versions of the apu series. a programmable completion interrupt is available in some versions of that chipset, On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 10:27 AM Mikael Abr

[Bloat] jamming in realtime via jacktrip over a short internet distance

2020-08-22 Thread Dave Taht
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sj6Ij1Oxe1s -- "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Mother Nature cannot be fooled" - Richard Feynman d...@taht.net CTO, TekLibre, LLC Tel: 1-831-435-0729 ___ Bloat maili

[Bloat] apparently this is an end goal of a lot of ipv6 work in the ietf

2020-07-02 Thread Dave Taht
who knew? https://www.ipv6plus.net/ -- "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Mother Nature cannot be fooled" - Richard Feynman d...@taht.net CTO, TekLibre, LLC Tel: 1-831-435-0729 ___ Bloat mailing list

[Bloat] Fwd: [tsvwg] Fwd: Working Group Last Call: QUIC protocol drafts

2020-06-09 Thread Dave Taht
I am happy to see quic in last call. there are a ton of interoperble implementations now. -- Forwarded message - From: Lucas Pardue Date: Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 7:08 PM Subject: [tsvwg] Fwd: Working Group Last Call: QUIC protocol drafts To: HTTP Working Group , , Cc: Mark Nottingham

[Bloat] starlink now has an asn

2020-06-05 Thread Dave Taht
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23409063 -- "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Mother Nature cannot be fooled" - Richard Feynman d...@taht.net CTO, TekLibre, LLC Tel: 1-831-435-0729 ___ Bloat mai

Re: [Bloat] anyone using google stadia?

2020-06-04 Thread Dave Taht
I played much of was starcraft I would enjoy taking some of y'all on on some game, while testing... > Pedro > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 9:36 AM Dave Taht wrote: >> >> and willing to share some packet captures of 5 minutes of gameplay >> start to finish? Ove

Re: [Bloat] New speed/latency/jitter test site from Cloudflare

2020-06-04 Thread Dave Taht
Dear John: I am primarily an email person. But if github is the best way to engage, we can do that. My own bugaboo is that it helps a LOT to verify your test is measuring what you think it is, via using another tool. In our case that's flent (typically the rrul test), which gives correct results

Re: [Bloat] New speed/latency/jitter test site from Cloudflare

2020-06-03 Thread Dave Taht
I am of course, always interested in how they are measuring latency, and where. On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 4:34 AM Toke Høiland-Jørgensen via Bloat wrote: > > > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" > To: Adam Hunt , bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > Cc: > Bcc: > D

[Bloat] anyone using google stadia?

2020-06-03 Thread Dave Taht
and willing to share some packet captures of 5 minutes of gameplay start to finish? Over wired and wifi? thx. -- "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Mother Nature cannot be fooled" - Richard Feynman d...@taht.net CTO, TekLibre, LLC Tel: 1-831-4

Re: [Bloat] Does employing a AQM on the home router also solve bufferbloat between home router and upstream devices?

2020-06-02 Thread Dave Taht
On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 7:49 PM Tianhe wrote: > > Hi there. I've read some materials from bufferbloat.net and other sites, > trying to understand the problem as best as I can. > > And I have a question when reading this: > > From > https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/bloat/wiki/What_can_I_do_abo

[Bloat] Fwd: [babel] Fwd: Nomcom 2020-2021 Call For Volunteers

2020-06-01 Thread Dave Taht
if anyone has been attending enough ietf meetings to volunteer -- Forwarded message - From: Donald Eastlake Date: Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 10:23 AM Subject: [babel] Fwd: Nomcom 2020-2021 Call For Volunteers To: Babel at IETF -- Forwarded message - From: NomCom Ch

Re: [Bloat] capacity awareness for the deadline scheduler

2020-06-01 Thread Dave Taht
On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 8:58 AM Michael Richardson wrote: > > > Dave Taht wrote: > > Gradually, people seem to be getting more and more about basic queue > theory. > > https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/821578/ef5d913a20977921/ > > Having skimmed the article,

Re: [Bloat] capacity awareness for the deadline scheduler

2020-06-01 Thread Dave Taht
If you want consistent low latency dropping in and out of sleep state does not help. But putting a deadline oriented task - like networking - on a smaller processor, seems like it might work. On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 9:02 AM Michael Richardson wrote: > > article points out: > > > The work of the de

[Bloat] capacity awareness for the deadline scheduler

2020-05-31 Thread Dave Taht
Gradually, people seem to be getting more and more about basic queue theory. https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/821578/ef5d913a20977921/ -- "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Mother Nature cannot be fooled" - Richard Feynman d...@taht.net CTO, Tek

[Bloat] spacex crew launch today

2020-05-27 Thread Dave Taht
in t-1 hour https://www.spacex.com/launches/ I know this is off topic for this list, but... oh, man... -- "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Mother Nature cannot be fooled" - Richard Feynman d...@taht.net CTO, TekLibre, LLC Tel: 1-831-435-072

[Bloat] broadband report from 2010

2020-05-12 Thread Dave Taht
I haven't read this yet, but ya know, a 10 year old perspective on everything would be nice to have at the moment. https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2020/03/30/covid-19-proves-we-need-to-continue-upgrading-americas-broadband-infrastructure/ -- "For a successful technology, reality must t

[Bloat] preseem is going strong in the WISP market

2020-05-12 Thread Dave Taht
It really cheers me up to see a company in the right place, doing the right thing, with customer feedback as great as this. https://www.preseem.com/reviews-testimonials-wisp-feedback/ -- "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Mother Nature cannot be

[Bloat] bbb and freeswitch updates for better videoconferencing

2020-05-12 Thread Dave Taht
just sort of a psa, bbb ( a videoconferencing system used by schools) had a misconfigured jitterbuffer, and freeswitch needed some fixes too. https://github.com/signalwire/freeswitch/releases/tag/v1.10.3 https://github.com/bigbluebutton/bigbluebutton/issues/7007#issuecomment-616578080 Boy have I

[Bloat] kleinrock's work on queue theory is out of print

2020-05-10 Thread Dave Taht
I was really shocked to find out today kleinrock's work was out of print. Anyone know a publisher? https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6665282132832854016/?commentUrn=urn%3Ali%3Acomment%3A(activity%3A6665282132832854016%2C6665287569472835584) I've given away all my copies of this

[Bloat] a good xkcd is in this

2020-05-09 Thread Dave Taht
https://dieswaytoofast.blogspot.com/2020/05/marketing-engineering-team.html and I'd just seen this movie. -- Make Music, Not War Dave Täht CTO, TekLibre, LLC http://www.teklibre.com Tel: 1-831-435-0729 ___ Bloat mailing list Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.ne

[Bloat] Why is my WiFi so bad?

2020-05-06 Thread Dave Taht
just once... in one major pub... would I like bufferbloat to be identified as a root cause of home networking problems. Just once. I'd figured when vint cerf and jim and van and nick weaver all got on this root cause back in 2011 that somehow the concept and problem would have ended up in the publ

Re: [Bloat] Slightly OT Re: [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] dslreports is no longer free

2020-05-06 Thread Dave Taht
On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 8:39 AM David P. Reed wrote: > > While the jury is still out for me on the "best" speed test to recommend to > my friends, family, and even enemies, I think the progression has been good. > > > > Originally, I used to recommend the web-embedded Java test called Netalyzer >

[Bloat] arin and how to get an old /24 up contact?

2020-05-05 Thread Dave Taht
I'd like to get an old legacy /24 (actually, /23) I have up and running in the right databases, rpki'd and announced via bgp. I'm totally unfamiliar with ripe and arins procedures for doing so. It's been, oh, 2 decades. Is there anyone out there that knows how to do this and can help out? Please

Re: [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] dslreports is no longer free

2020-05-04 Thread Dave Taht
the best and only way to >>> accurately >>> > define lag under load from the user's perspective. The client end of >>> an unloaded >>> > TCP connection can depend on TCP (properly prepared by getting it past >>> slowstart) >>> > to

Re: [Bloat] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] dslreports is no longer free

2020-05-03 Thread Dave Taht
Hmm. Can webrtc set/see the ttl field? dscp? ecn? I figure it might be able to on linux and osx, but not windows. ___ Bloat mailing list Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat

[Bloat] upgrade in place

2020-05-03 Thread Dave Taht
I sure wish while everyone is stuck at home, that we could upgrade our routers in place, as well. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/04/frontiers-bankruptcy-reveals-cynical-choice-deny-profitable-fiber-millions -- Make Music, Not War Dave Täht CTO, TekLibre, LLC http://www.teklibre.com Tel: 1-8

Re: [Bloat] fast.com quality

2020-05-03 Thread Dave Taht
is pregnant with >> potential is the use of WebRTC, which runs over UDP internally. Since >> JavaScript has direct access to create WebRTC connections (multiple ones), >> this makes detailed testing in the browser quite reasonable. >> >> >> >> And the tim

Re: [Bloat] Multiple WAN ports & SQM?

2020-05-03 Thread Dave Taht
not huge on bonding, simpler to just get the two uplinks and split flows across them with an sqm instance for each and a tc hash directing flows at one or another. On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 7:30 AM Daniel Sterling wrote: > > When I had both DSL and cable modem, I compiled Linux with this patch set t

Re: [Bloat] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] dslreports is no longer free

2020-05-02 Thread Dave Taht
On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 9:37 AM Benjamin Cronce wrote: > > > Fast.com reports my unloaded latency as 4ms, my loaded latency as ~7ms I guess one of my questions is that with a switch to BBR netflix is going to do pretty well. If fast.com is using bbr, well... that excludes much of the current side

[Bloat] dslreports is no longer free

2020-05-01 Thread Dave Taht
https://www.reddit.com/r/HomeNetworking/comments/gbd6g0/dsl_reports_speed_test_no_longer_free/ They ran out of bandwidth. Message to users here: http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest -- Make Music, Not War Dave Täht CTO, TekLibre, LLC http://www.teklibre.com Tel: 1-831-435-0729 ___

[Bloat] Fwd: [Babel-users] OT: Centralised WebRTC server available for testing

2020-05-01 Thread Dave Taht
I kind of have an ulterior motive for tracking this work, as A) the codebase is new, small and not crufty and B) juliusz sometimes bothers to answer my emails, and C) I don't really have a grip on the state of webrtc congestion control. I used to really enjoy dinking with videoconferencing tools.

[Bloat] the last big make-wifi-fast talk I gave

2020-04-30 Thread Dave Taht
Since we have accumulated more than a few new people on the list... Back in 2016, I explained much that was wrong with wifi here, and at this particular time in the talk, I explained one of the biggest things wrong with 802.11n, ac, and ax, packet aggregation, and how the entire industry did testi

[Bloat] intel gives up on home gateways

2020-04-28 Thread Dave Taht
H/T sebastian: https://investors.maxlinear.com/press-releases/detail/395/maxlinear-to-acquire-intels-home-gateway-platform Gawd knows what this means. -- Make Music, Not War Dave Täht CTO, TekLibre, LLC http://www.teklibre.com Tel: 1-831-435-0729 ___

[Bloat] my backlogged comments on the ECT(1) interim call

2020-04-27 Thread Dave Taht
It looks like the majority of what I say below is not related to the fate of the "bit". The push to take the bit was strong with this one, and me... can't we deploy more of what we already got in places where it matters? ... so: A) PLEA: From 10 years now, of me working on bufferbloat, working on

[Bloat] Fwd: [tsvwg] Fwd: Webex meeting scheduled: TSVWG Interim - April 2020

2020-04-27 Thread Dave Taht
the meeting link changed to: -- Forwarded message - From: Gorry Fairhurst Date: Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 4:18 AM Subject: [tsvwg] Fwd: Webex meeting scheduled: TSVWG Interim - April 2020 To: ts...@ietf.org Cisco Webex has invited you to TSVWG Interim - April 2020 Title: TSVWG Int

Re: [Bloat] [Cake] New board that looks interesting

2020-04-26 Thread Dave Taht
o it in both directions). > > I think this has replaced the apu2 as the board I’m going with as my edge > router. > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 9:10 AM Dave Taht wrote: >> >> Historically I've found the "Celeron" chips rather weak, but it's just >> a brand.

[Bloat] Fwd: [tsvwg] April 27 interim meeting - links & instructions

2020-04-26 Thread Dave Taht
7AM PDT, the fate of the last half a bit in the IP header might be decided. I wish I had 5 minutes for a rebuttal of all the marketing terms in the L4S proposal and the debate took place using Hell, I wish we had a working definition of ultra low latency that we could agree on. -- For

Re: [Bloat] ubuntu 20.4 is out

2020-04-25 Thread Dave Taht
I added my comments to the bug. On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 1:50 AM Sebastian Moeller wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > On Apr 24, 2020, at 07:49, Hagen Paul Pfeifer wrote: > > > > * Matt Taggart | 2020-04-23 15:47:19 [-0700]: > > > >> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=890343#34 > >> > >>

[Bloat] dropbox, bbr and ecn packet capture

2020-04-25 Thread Dave Taht
I just did a rather large dropbox download. They are well known to be using bbr and experimenting with bbrv2. So I fired off a capture during a big dropbox download... It negotiated ecn, my fq_codel shaper and/or my newly ath10k fq_codel's wifi exerted CE, osx sent back ecn-echo, and the rtt resu

Re: [Bloat] this explains speedtest stuff

2020-04-25 Thread Dave Taht
On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 1:49 PM Kenneth Porter wrote: > > --On Saturday, April 25, 2020 12:19 PM -0700 Dave Taht > wrote: > > > in /etc/config/sqm, with fq_codel, you need to uncomment or enter the > > following lines > > > > option ingress_ecn 

Re: [Bloat] this explains speedtest stuff

2020-04-25 Thread Dave Taht
in /etc/config/sqm, with fq_codel, you need to uncomment or enter the following lines option ingress_ecn 'ECN' option egress_ecn 'ECN' I still am not much of an ecn fan. I use it primarily for debugging codel. :/ When I see marking, I know its working, and if I see loss where I sh

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