Re: [boost] Draft of new Boost Software License

2003-07-02 Thread Gregory Colvin
On Wednesday, Jul 2, 2003, at 02:42 America/Denver, Paul A. Bristow wrote: | In non-Boost code, I've seen wording something like "See the attached | license; if it is missing see www.foo.org/license." Maybe something like | that is what will be recommended. | | They've already signed off on the c

RE: [boost] Draft of new Boost Software License

2003-07-02 Thread Paul A. Bristow
| -Original Message- | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Beman Dawes | Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 7:23 PM | To: Boost mailing list; [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Subject: RE: [boost] Draft of new Boost Software License | | | In non-Boost code, I've seen wo

RE: [boost] Draft of new Boost Software License

2003-06-27 Thread Beman Dawes
At 09:53 AM 6/26/2003, William E. Kempf wrote: >Paul A. Bristow said: > >> And: >> >> // (C) Jane Programmer, 2003 >> // See www.boost.org/license for license terms and conditions >> // See www.boost.org/libs/janes-lib for documentation >> >> Looks fine to me, though I prefer "Copyright" to (

Re: [boost] Draft of new Boost Software License

2003-06-27 Thread Beman Dawes
At 10:27 PM 6/26/2003, Howard Hinnant wrote: >On Thursday, June 26, 2003, at 07:51 PM, Beman Dawes wrote: > >> A copyright, unlike a patent, just applies to the actual >> representation. So unless another implementation actually made a >> literal copy of the Boost code, the other implementation w

RE: [boost] Draft of new Boost Software License

2003-06-27 Thread Thomas Wenisch
On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Paul A. Bristow wrote: > > // (C) Jane Programmer, 2003 > // See www.boost.org/license for license terms and conditions > // See www.boost.org/libs/janes-lib for documentation > > Looks fine to me, though I prefer "Copyright" to (C) > > Paul I have been told by previ

Re: [boost] Draft of new Boost Software License

2003-06-27 Thread Gregory Colvin
On Thursday, Jun 26, 2003, at 07:53 America/Denver, William E. Kempf wrote: ... But it would be nice to just refer to the license instead of repeating it in every single file. Though this license is brief enough that inclusion is no big deal. It seems that doing it by reference to a web page amo

RE: [boost] Draft of new Boost Software License

2003-06-27 Thread William E. Kempf
Paul A. Bristow said: > > > | -Original Message- > | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rene Rivera > | Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 8:26 PM > | To: Boost mailing list > | Subject: Re: [boost] Draft of new Boost Software License >

Re: [boost] Draft of new Boost Software License

2003-06-26 Thread Howard Hinnant
On Thursday, June 26, 2003, at 07:51 PM, Beman Dawes wrote: A copyright, unlike a patent, just applies to the actual representation. So unless another implementation actually made a literal copy of the Boost code, the other implementation would not be a derived work of the Boost code and so wo

Re: [boost] Draft of new Boost Software License

2003-06-26 Thread Beman Dawes
At 09:18 AM 6/26/2003, Howard Hinnant wrote: >Since boost is a spring board for standardization of a library, I'm >wondering if the boost license requires the copyright notice to follow >for other implementations which follow the interface of the boost >library, but independently develop the imple

RE: [boost] Draft of new Boost Software License

2003-06-26 Thread Beman Dawes
At 07:35 AM 6/26/2003, Matt Hurd wrote: >"Is my work a derivate work?", I guess is the gist of the question. How >do you firewall it? Does a contract with a third party need to address >the boundary of boost code (which maybe modified and embedded or not) >and the proprietary code. Serious answer

Re: [boost] Draft of new Boost Software License

2003-06-26 Thread Howard Hinnant
Since boost is a spring board for standardization of a library, I'm wondering if the boost license requires the copyright notice to follow for other implementations which follow the interface of the boost library, but independently develop the implementation? In other words, if we standardize a

RE: [boost] Draft of new Boost Software License

2003-06-26 Thread Matt Hurd
Thanks Beman, >No, including the Boost license doesn't make your source open. There is >nothing in either the new or old Boost licenses which requires that source >code be redistributed or otherwise made available. I understand the intention and realize that this is the way it has always been. I

RE: [boost] Draft of new Boost Software License

2003-06-26 Thread Paul A. Bristow
| -Original Message- | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rene Rivera | Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 8:26 PM | To: Boost mailing list | Subject: Re: [boost] Draft of new Boost Software License | | Spanish is my first, but English is a very close second

Re: [boost] Draft of new Boost Software License

2003-06-25 Thread Beman Dawes
At 03:25 PM 6/25/2003, Rene Rivera wrote: >... >>* Boosters for whom English isn't their primary language; is the license >>understandable? > >Spanish is my first, but English is a very close second. The impression I >got is that it's somewhat hard to parse as it is. I had to read the second >"p

Re: [boost] Draft of new Boost Software License

2003-06-25 Thread Beman Dawes
At 03:43 PM 6/25/2003, Maciej Sobczak wrote: >Well, I have a question. >I understand that the text of this license is primarily intended to be >used by Boost libraries and those that are candidates to be included in >Boost. >However, apart from the main Boost effort, some of the Boosters or just >

Re: [boost] Draft of new Boost Software License

2003-06-25 Thread Beman Dawes
At 03:17 PM 6/25/2003, Ronald Garcia wrote: >... > >In reading the license, I think the definition of "Software" needs to be >broadened to explicitly include the documentation, test suites, etc. >see: >http://www.opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.php for an example. I'll pass that on to the lawy

RE: [boost] Draft of new Boost Software License

2003-06-25 Thread Beman Dawes
At 06:31 PM 6/25/2003, Matt Hurd wrote: >>The author of a derivative work can put in a more restrictive license >>right? In this case, wording that gives the full Boost permission must >>still be included according to the draft license. >>This would lead to a license text like: > > >I am a little

RE: [boost] Draft of new Boost Software License

2003-06-25 Thread Matt Hurd
>The author of a derivative work can put in a more restrictive license >right? In this case, wording that gives the full Boost permission must >still be included according to the draft license. >This would lead to a license text like: I am a little confused. Like Jaarko, I read it as viral. If

[boost] Draft of new Boost Software License

2003-06-25 Thread Jaakko Jarvi
Hi Beman & others, One thing is slightly confusing. The second paragraph says: The copyright notice in the Software and this entire statement, _including the above license grant_, this restriction and the following disclaimer, must be included ... The author of a derivative work can put

Re: [boost] Draft of new Boost Software License

2003-06-25 Thread Rene Rivera
[2003-06-25] Rene Rivera wrote: >must be included, in whole or in part, in all copies of the Software, and >all derivative works of the Software. Oops, that should be: "...must me included in all... of the Software, in whole or in part. It just goes to show how hard it can be to understand this

RE: [boost] Draft of new Boost Software License

2003-06-25 Thread Paul Mensonides
> My preference is for there to be a single license file in the > boost root > directory, and each file covered include a link. So a source > code file > might contain something like: > > // (C) Jane Programmer, 2003 > // > // See www.boost.org/license for license terms and conditions > // >

RE: [boost] Draft of new Boost Software License

2003-06-25 Thread Paul Mensonides
> My preference is for there to be a single license file in the > boost root > directory, and each file covered include a link. So a source > code file > might contain something like: > > // (C) Jane Programmer, 2003 > // > // See www.boost.org/license for license terms and conditions > //

Re: [boost] Draft of new Boost Software License

2003-06-25 Thread Maciej Sobczak
Hi, Beman Dawes wrote: Thanks to Dave Abrahams, Diane Cabell, Devin Smith, and Eva Chen, we now have a pretty close to final draft of a new Boost Software License. The draft license itself is at http://boost.sourceforge.net/misc/LICENSE.txt Wow! While we are interested in comments from any Boo

Re: [boost] Draft of new Boost Software License

2003-06-25 Thread Rene Rivera
[2003-06-25] Beman Dawes wrote: >For more background, including rationale, a FAQ, and acknowledgements, see >http://boost.sourceforge.net/misc/license-background.html Nice. >* Boosters for whom English isn't their primary language; is the license >understandable? Spanish is my first, but Engl

Re: [boost] Draft of new Boost Software License

2003-06-25 Thread Ronald Garcia
On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, Beman Dawes wrote: > Thanks to Dave Abrahams, Diane Cabell, Devin Smith, and Eva Chen, we now > have a pretty close to final draft of a new Boost Software License. > I am glad to hear that some folks have been working on this. These issues are quite important and might make

RE: [boost] Draft of new Boost Software License

2003-06-25 Thread Beman Dawes
At 01:27 PM 6/25/2003, Paul Mensonides wrote: >> * Boost developers; if there are aspects of the license that make you >> hesitate about adopting it, what are the issues? > >It looks fine to me Beman. Is this license (once it is completely >ironed out) supposed to go in each file? The license is

RE: [boost] Draft of new Boost Software License

2003-06-25 Thread Paul Mensonides
> * Boost developers; if there are aspects of the license that make you > hesitate about adopting it, what are the issues? It looks fine to me Beman. Is this license (once it is completely ironed out) supposed to go in each file? If so, where do you put the credentials for who created what? Or

[boost] Draft of new Boost Software License

2003-06-25 Thread Beman Dawes
Thanks to Dave Abrahams, Diane Cabell, Devin Smith, and Eva Chen, we now have a pretty close to final draft of a new Boost Software License. For as many Boost libraries as possible, the plan is to replace the individual licenses with the "official" Boost license. Of course, the developers who h