On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 06:23:41PM -0400, Erik Reuter wrote:
Well, do you want a chance at winning money? I'll take that bet, i.e.,
I win if Bush gets less than or equal to 52% of the popular vote,
otherwise you win. Money (no more than $100), dinner, whatever you'd
like to bet?
Gautam,
If
The next time you're asked,
What's your sign?
you can reply:
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providing you, the customer, with individualized data security, management, and
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Gautam Mukunda wrote:
What would you have to believe to believe that the
Bush Administration faked WMD evidence in order to
invade Iraq?
Actively faking the evidence is a long stretch but to believe that the
Bush administration systematically, deliberately and consistently
stressed any
Gautam Mukunda
--- David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(And please stop these little digs at the end. If
you'll
look back at my post, I managed to refrain. I even
called the
US President Mr. Bush, which took great
forbearance.)
If it takes you great forbearance to display that
Gautam Mukunda
The war has barely begun. We are, at most, at the
end of the beginning.
Finally, an aimless occupation? Less than half a year
after the end of the war,
Good bit of logic. Have it both ways then
Regards, Ray.
___
--- David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Since his actions are producing the conditions for
MORE terrorism rather than less, this is asking a
bit much.
THERE IS NO WAR ON TERROR. The United States has
fewer than
1 casualities, civilian and military, since
September
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Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words
Play the ball, not the man.
Don't hate the player, hate the game.
xponent
Pilfered Quotes Maru
rob
Deborah Harrell wrote:
Perhaps I wasn't clear, but since no-one can get inside
another's mind, no-one can be sure they are experiencing the
exact same numinous event.
Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] responded;
Yes, I know that. That is the problem and the point.
For the sake of your health, I think you are going to have to force
yourself to eat chocolate ice cream with nuts. I know, it will be
like taking an old fashioned, bitter medicine, but however much you
dislike it, eating it Will Be Good For You. :-)
Maybe I should eat it myself
--
--- Ray Ludenia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How about you showing great forbearance and minimal
respect for members of
this list who have a different perspective than you?
I would be far more
likely to be influenced by your arguments if they
stuck to the issues,
rather than denigrating
Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] asks
What would you have to believe to believe that the
Bush Administration faked WMD evidence in order to
invade Iraq?
First, you would have to believe that the Bush Administration had
other reasons to invade Iraq, such as a desire to intimidate
There's quite a difference between a deception in support of a
war and a war that is based entirely on deceptions. Again, I'm
not familiar with anyone who is arguing the latter, other than
some nameless folks I've seen protesting, who claim it was all
about oil.
Even worse, I have heard it said that the US Administration did not
have proper back up plans ...
Maybe. The argument that every plan we made needs to
go flawlessly or it's a failure is, simply, one to
which I don't lend much credence.
I agree. But that is not what I was
David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] asked
Robert--
You started all this. Am I right in thinking that you
WANT the habitat to have vaguely terrestrial weather? Something
like a layer of clouds a kilometer or two up? Sounds cool!
Almost: what I want to find out is whether
On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 10:09:12AM -0400, Robert J. Chassell wrote:
Erik, you are right, it is true that what goes on inside a mind cannot
be verified independently by others at this time. But that is not the
issue.
That may not be an issue you want to discuss, but that does not make
it not
On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 07:10:50PM +0530, Ritu wrote:
Remember Saddam's son-in-law? The one who defected and told all about
Saddam's secret weapons programme, the one who later went back to
Iraq and was executed by Saddam Hussein? As far as I recall, the
notion you find so incredible was a
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Behalf Of Jon Gabriel
...
The primary role of a leader is to keep his/her country safe and its
borders protected. If he were to ignore clear threats to his country's
security by refusing to defend against them he
On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 10:55:49AM -0400, Robert J. Chassell wrote:
Presuming the end caps are mostly low-conductive stone or regolith,
the major temperature determiner for the end caps should be, I think,
the air, although indirect light will have an effect.
I think that would be difficult.
Erik Reuter wrote:
A better study might look for predictions or observations by such
patients that could not possibly have been known beforehand BY ANYONE
(at least, anyone not divine or whatever).
snippage
Um, yes. However, they were not studying precognition but whether the
human soul
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On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 09:31:35PM +0530, Ritu wrote:
Um, yes. However, they were not studying precognition but whether the
human soul exists.
Irrelevant to my point. For a reliable experiment, the tests really need
to be double-blind here. That means neither the people conducting the
tests
At 11:52 AM 7/19/03 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote:
On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 10:55:49AM -0400, Robert J. Chassell wrote:
Presuming the end caps are mostly low-conductive stone or regolith,
the major temperature determiner for the end caps should be, I think,
the air, although indirect light will have
On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 11:31:54AM -0500, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
Actually, it is because the soil is a _poor_ conductor of heat, so
it doesn't warm up rapidly in the summer or cool off rapidly in the
winter, so
Actually, no,
Erik Reuter wrote:
Irrelevant to my point. For a reliable experiment, the tests
really need
to be double-blind here. That means neither the people
conducting the
tests nor the people being tested no the answers. Otherwise there are
just so many ways that people can fool themselves.
On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 11:02:19PM +0530, Ritu wrote:
Well, there are no 'answers' for the latter group to know - what they
relate are conversations and observations. As for the former, I can't
Then what did you mean about hiding things around the room?
I was referring to the Mallorean
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 7/18/2003 11:55:47 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It is unpatriotic to falsely attack the rationale for
the war when it is obvious to anyone who looks at the
facts that the Administration was telling the truth.
At 01:24 PM 7/19/03 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote:
On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 11:31:54AM -0500, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
Actually, it is because the soil is a _poor_ conductor of heat, so
it doesn't warm up rapidly in the summer or cool off rapidly in the
winter, so
Actually, no, it is not conductivity
From: Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is an old boys club writ on a global
scale.
No backing for this. just becouse the above is true (if it is) does not
mean
that they are not doing what is right when it comes to forign policy.
Think
of it this way, just
From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 09:36:28 -0700
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On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 01:19:12PM -0500, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
Are you suggesting that the air inside the habitat would be moving
fast enough that it would not have time to heat up or cool down to the
same temperature as the interior wall?
This question is not meaningful since the air in
On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 10:58:49AM -0700, Jan Coffey wrote:
trickle down seems to work,
No it doesn't. This has been discussed at length on the list, and the
evidence is that trickle down economics does not work. It helps the rich
get richer, but the other 80% or 90% do not benefit very much
At 02:36 PM 7/19/2003 -0400, you wrote:
On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 10:58:49AM -0700, Jan Coffey wrote:
trickle down seems to work,
No it doesn't. This has been discussed at length on the list, and the
evidence is that trickle down economics does not work. It helps the rich
get richer, but the
On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 03:15:02PM -0400, Kevin Tarr wrote:
And of course, if it's been discussed on the list, it must be true.
No, you are wrong about that.
I didn't know that trickle down = less progressive taxation.
It does not equal. But there is obviously a strong relation.
Does that
Well, I've not been posting for a while because I've been overwhelmed with
1) Planning my parents' funerals
2) A heavy work load
3) Preparing for my wife's operation.
But, I've got a bit of time now, so I'll try to catch up on posts I owe an
answer to.
Dan M.
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From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 6:18 AM
Subject: I'm back
Well, I've not been posting for a while because I've been overwhelmed with
1) Planning my parents' funerals
2) A heavy work load
I think that enough has been bandied about the relationship between
science and knowledge that it would be worthwhile to discuss this topic
directly. I'll put forth, once again, viewpoints that I hold.
The purpose of science is to model and predict phenomenon. It also allows
us to manipulate
On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 11:19:43PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote:
As a useful fiction to persuade people, certainly (actually persuade
assumes free will,
If you say so. Of course, that is a meaningless statement.
But, ought is rather meaningless without free will.
That's okay. Free will is
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From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 1:38 AM
Subject: Re: Free will and physics
I did not label goals rational and irrational -- in fact, in this thread
I specifically stated that my stated
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From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: Irregulars query: air pressure in spinning habitats
On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 11:31:54AM -0500, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
Actually, it
On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 05:03:07PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote:
Ronn's closer to right on this than you are.
Dan, you and Ronn are both straying from the topic that we were
discussing, and neither of you have addressed the question that
was asked. Additionally, Ronn made an incorrect statement
Interesting...
I want the world to be a better place because I want it to be around by the
time my nephews are old enough to take over. Haha.
I must say, that before my brother and sister-in-law started to produce kids,
I was worried about the future of the world, but not as much as now. I
On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 04:47:12PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote:
Morality is about ought. This leads one to conclude that,
since morality is meaningless without ought, morality is rather
meaningless.
No, that does not follow. Rules govern a system. They have meaning in
that system. Free will, as
At 06:20 PM 7/19/03 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote:
On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 05:03:07PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote:
Ronn's closer to right on this than you are.
Dan, you and Ronn are both straying from the topic that we were
discussing, and neither of you have addressed the question that
was asked.
On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 04:49:49PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote:
This was clearly in the best interest of the Iroquois, but not the
slaughtered tribes, nor humanity in general. Yet, it was a perfectly
rational act, if you assume the Iroquois acted in the self interest of
their own tribe.
Until
On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 06:02:21PM -0500, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 06:20 PM 7/19/03 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote:
Presumably this is because the ground conducts heat much better than
the air and spreads heat out evenly throughout the ground.
As I said, this is _not_ true: the upper few feet
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Dan Minette
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 2:19 PM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: I'm back
Well, I've not been posting for a while because I've been overwhelmed with
1) Planning my parents' funerals
On Saturday, July 19, 2003, at 10:18 pm, Dan Minette wrote:
Well, I've not been posting for a while because I've been overwhelmed
with
1) Planning my parents' funerals
Both? That sounds bad :(
2) A heavy work load
3) Preparing for my wife's operation.
I hope that works out well.
But, I've
On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 04:45:38PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote:
Let me give an example of this by answering a question that Erik asked
Debby. What's the difference between believing in astrology and
believing in inner experiences. When I posed the question, and my
answer to a non-theist
--- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is an old boys club writ on a global
scale.
No backing for this. just becouse the above is true (if it is) does not
mean
that they are not doing what is right when it
Robert J. Chassell wrote:
Presuming the end caps are mostly low-conductive stone or regolith,
the major temperature determiner for the end caps should be, I think,
the air, although indirect light will have an effect.
Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] responded
I think
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 10:58:49AM -0700, Jan Coffey wrote:
trickle down seems to work,
No it doesn't. This has been discussed at length on the list, and the
evidence is that trickle down economics does not work. It helps the rich
get richer,
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 03:15:02PM -0400, Kevin Tarr wrote:
And of course, if it's been discussed on the list, it must be true.
No, you are wrong about that.
I didn't know that trickle down = less progressive taxation.
It does not equal. But
At 04:18 PM 7/19/03 -0500, Dan Minette wrote:
Well, I've not been posting for a while because I've been overwhelmed with
1) Planning my parents' funerals
2) A heavy work load
3) Preparing for my wife's operation.
But, I've got a bit of time now, so I'll try to catch up on posts I owe an
answer
On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 08:12:06PM -0400, Robert J. Chassell wrote:
Hmmm you are right that the temperature is often more or less
constant 2 meters or so underground. However, in my understanding,
dirt and rock are very good insulators, and that heat flows slowly
through them.
Dirt is a
On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 07:40:38PM -0500, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
What I have been saying is that if I were to perform the experiment by
obtaining a 2-meter or so probe with a sharp end, mount a thermocouple
at that end, and drive it into the ground, then place an identical
thermocouple at on
On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 05:18:55PM -0700, Jan Coffey wrote:
and you are arguing symantics when you know what is ment, what
substanative discussion are you trying to avoid?
No, I do NOT know what is meant. What numeric variable is being compared
by the inequalities? I would not have asked if I
On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 05:17:09PM -0700, Jan Coffey wrote:
As a continuous policy it stinks, but to jumpstart a failing economy
it has worked in the past.
Only for a sufficiently vague definition of worked. Getting money into
the hands of people who will spend it on consumption has
Robert,
You have been mixing References: headers between this thread and others
and it makes it harder for me to follow. (For example, you referenced
the Seth thread on this message). I didn't mention it before but it
has happened several times now, and it is particularly bothersome on
these
G. D. Akin wrote:
Julia Thompson wrote:
snip
My iPod, set on random (and playing through my radio) gives me a
selection
from 4400 songs of which I like ALL of them. It is like my own radio
station. Well worth the money.
No commercials, as well. Or do you have that many
Erik Reuter wrote:
On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 11:10:14PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 7/18/2003 3:28:58 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Perhaps Bob should post a rant where he whines about how the
conservatives on the list are intolerant of
Robert J. Chassell wrote:
For the sake of your health, I think you are going to have to force
yourself to eat chocolate ice cream with nuts. I know, it will be
like taking an old fashioned, bitter medicine, but however much you
dislike it, eating it Will Be Good For You. :-)
If I'm
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Seriously, I don't know why I have become so involved. I, myself, don't plan
to have kids so maybe I am nothing more then a beta male helping the rest of
the family to protect the young and help pass on our genes? Or is it a higher
sense of purpose that only mankind
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From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 4:18 PM
Subject: I'm back
Well, I've not been posting for a while because I've been overwhelmed
with
1) Planning my parents' funerals
From the response
Dan Minette wrote:
Well, I've not been posting for a while because I've been overwhelmed with
1) Planning my parents' funerals
2) A heavy work load
3) Preparing for my wife's operation.
Welcome back, Dan, and deepest sympathies for your losses. I hope
Teri's problems are not serious.
As for
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