Re: [ADMIN} Wonky list

2003-12-06 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 12/6/03 12:35:12 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Somebody post, so I know that it's not totally constipated. Totlal is General Mills. Post has their own cereal. Which one can make you more constipated? Depends upon if you leave it in the box,

Re: Spam stats

2003-12-06 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 02:50 PM 12/6/03 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/6/03 12:06:01 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since the list is oddly quiet, though nothing seems particularly wonky about the server, I thought I'd share some stats about our anti-spam efforts...

Re: Spam stats

2003-12-06 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 12/6/03 1:12:53 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How many inches of extra manhood are being offered daily? Enough to make a liar out of Jerry Pournelle if the customer lies on his stomach . . . This is a very good line. It takes a second

Science Fiction In General...

2003-12-06 Thread Travis Edmunds
I assume it's only proper to introduce myself, so hello everyone. I'm a huge David Brin fan, as well as a fan of sci-fi in general. However, as for Mr. Brins' fellow Killer Bees, I have not read any of their works. That being said, plus noticing a lack of sci-fi activity in the recently

Scouted: The Incredible Shrinking Brain

2003-12-06 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
Study links light drinking, brain shrinking Research also discounts alcohol's stroke prevention benefits DALLAS, Texas (AP) --Low to moderate drinking may cause a loss of brain tissue in middle-age people, a study found. The researchers also found that such alcohol consumption does not lower

Re: Science Fiction In General...

2003-12-06 Thread ValdivielsoB
Hello, In a message dated 12/6/03 5:15:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Steve White (Eagle Against The Starslol Ok, so it's complete B-side sci-fi, but it's not without it's merit) I happened to like 'Engle Against The Stars', the idea that an alien race

Houston Get-Together?

2003-12-06 Thread Steve Sloan II
I'm going to be flying to Houston, Texas to visit my brother on the afternoon of Thursday, December 18. Any Brinellers (or even lurkers?) in the Houston area want to meet some time between the 19th and 23rd or so? __ Steve Sloan

Brin: The Virtue of Stubbornness?

2003-12-06 Thread Jim Sharkey
I just finished reading Glory Season, bringing me to eight of his books (all the Uplifts, Kiln People, and now GS). It led me to a question about Dr. Brin's work taken as a whole. It seems to me that the most important trait to DB's protagonists is stubbornness. Now, you can call it the

RE: Science Fiction In General...

2003-12-06 Thread Jim Sharkey
Travis Edmunds wrote: I assume it's only proper to introduce myself, so hello everyone. Hi, Doctor Nick! -David Gerrold War Against The Chtorr I read the first couple, and thought they were OK, but the local library didn't have them all. -Terry Pratchett (Discworld series.) Soul Music is

Re: [ADMIN} Wonky list

2003-12-06 Thread Bemmzim
You are not constipated. Take my word for it I am a neuroradiologist I take back what I wrote in the last message. There *us* something wonky, this time with the list server software. A bunch of messages are shunted with errors having to with decoding Unicode. In the past, this seems

Re: Science Fiction In General...

2003-12-06 Thread Steve Sloan II
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I happened to like 'Engle Against The Stars' Didn't she write A _Wrinkle in Time_? ;-) __ Steve Sloan . Huntsville, Alabama = [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brin-L list pages

Re: Brin: The Virtue of Stubbornness?

2003-12-06 Thread Bemmzim
It seems to me that the most important trait to DB's protagonists is stubbornness. Now, you can call it the will to live, the human spirit, truss it up however you like, but what it comes down to is his main characters seem to succeed in their endeavors through sheer obstinancy. And

Re: [ADMIN} Wonky list

2003-12-06 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
Wouldn't that only fall into your professional purview if the cause of the constipation was CRI (craniorectal intussusception)? At 11:13 PM 12/6/03 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are not constipated. Take my word for it I am a neuroradiologist I take back what I wrote in the last

Re: [ADMIN} Wonky list

2003-12-06 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 07:34 PM 12/6/03 +, Nick Arnett wrote: I take back what I wrote in the last message. There *us* something wonky, this time with the list server software. A bunch of messages are shunted with errors having to with decoding Unicode. In the past, this seems to have been caused by spam

Re: Brin: The Virtue of Stubbornness?

2003-12-06 Thread Davd Brin
--- Jim Sharkey It seems to me that the most important trait to DB's protagonists is stubbornness. Interesting! I certainly say so, explicitly, about the character in KILN PEOPLE. And yet, I hardly envision it as an unwillingness to contemplate changes in tactics. I thought Maia changed

Re: Brin: The Virtue of Stubbornness?

2003-12-06 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Davd Brin wrote: I'd be interested whether others also feel I over-use this technique. I think you feel too much attached to your characters, so that you never let a protagonist die. Not even the 2nd, 3rd, 4th main characters ever die. It's not that I don't like happy endings, but _knowing_

Re: Brin: The Virtue of Stubbornness?

2003-12-06 Thread Jim Sharkey
Davd Brin wrote: --- Jim Sharkey It seems to me that the most important trait to DB's protagonists is stubbornness. Interesting! I certainly say so, explicitly, about the character in KILN PEOPLE. And yet, I hardly envision it as an unwillingness to contemplate changes in tactics. I thought

[Scouted]LotR Barbies

2003-12-06 Thread Jim Sharkey
For the girl that has an inner geek, but still wants to be girly. Or, more likely, for the geeky adult with too much money and not enough toys: http://www.barbiecollectibles.com/shop/product.aspx?sku=B3449 They look kinda neat, but I don't know if they're $60 neat. Jim William Wants a Doll

Re: Brin: The Virtue of Stubbornness?

2003-12-06 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 12/6/2003 5:32:59 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- Jim Sharkey It seems to me that the most important trait to DB's protagonists is stubbornness. Interesting! I certainly say so, explicitly, about the character in KILN PEOPLE.

Cool toy for your inner 6-yr-old

2003-12-06 Thread Jim Sharkey
My son turned six this past week, and unknown to me, she bought my son what might be among the coolest toys ever: Hulk Hands For those of you who've never heard of them, they're large, green foam hands that make smashing noises, often followed by a growl or by Hulk SMASH!!! They are far, far

Re: Brin: The Virtue of Stubbornness?

2003-12-06 Thread Jim Sharkey
William Taylor wrote: Stubbornness still has a general negative ring to it. Hmm. How about persistence through adaptability. Maybe. But it makes for a long subject line. And to be honest, I was also trying to make a counterpoint to the recurring theme I was seeing. Which I suppose, in a way

Re: Science Fiction In General...

2003-12-06 Thread Travis Edmunds
I happened to like 'Engle Against The Stars', the idea that an alien race might show up, mostly peaceful, just wanting to trade, and still screw up the Earth. Better than to come in blasting. Mike V. ___ I hear you on

RE: Science Fiction In General...

2003-12-06 Thread Travis Edmunds
Boy did *you* come to the wrong place. ;-) We Brinellers are the Lords of Off-Topicness. But maybe some new blood will correct that a little. Jim Welcome Aboard Maru ___ Well someone referred me here

Re: Brin: The Virtue of Stubbornness?

2003-12-06 Thread Travis Edmunds
Is being unwilling to give up, in the author's opinion, the most noble human trait? It certainly is possible. Considering the near overwhelming obstacles faced by humanity in the Uplift Universe. How else could Mr. Brin justify the continuation of the series?

Re: Science Fiction In General...

2003-12-06 Thread Nick Arnett
Travis Edmunds wrote: ... -David Gerrold (Star Trek TOS writer/War Against The Chtorr/and a few other interesting books) Any idea if David is on-line regularly anywhere these days? I knew him years ago (late '80s, early '90s) in the CompuServe CEFORUM, but haven't been in touch in ages. For

Re: [ADMIN} Wonky list

2003-12-06 Thread Nick Arnett
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are not constipated. Take my word for it I am a neuroradiologist Oddly, I've had two on-line discussions today and both featured this subject. The other one had to do with Temodar, with which I suspect you may be familiar. Nick -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (408)

Re: Brin: The Virtue of Stubbornness?

2003-12-06 Thread David Hobby
David Brin wrote: --- Jim Sharkey It seems to me that the most important trait to DB's protagonists is stubbornness. Interesting! I certainly say so, explicitly, about the character in KILN PEOPLE. And yet, I hardly envision it as an unwillingness to contemplate changes in tactics. I

Re: Br!n: The Virtue of Stubbornness?

2003-12-06 Thread Jim Sharkey
David Hobby wrote: But as for Kault, the Thennanin ambassador, it was his phlegmatic character that kept him from noticing many of the (planted) signs of the Garthlings. If he hadn't been so thick, he might have succeeded sooner. That's probably a fair point. It might not have been the best

Re: Science Fiction In General...

2003-12-06 Thread G. D. Akin
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Re: Brin: The Virtue of Stubbornness?

2003-12-06 Thread Julia Thompson
Jim Sharkey wrote: I just finished reading Glory Season, bringing me to eight of his books (all the Uplifts, Kiln People, and now GS). much snippage BTW, I enjoyed it quite a bit. When my girls are older, it'll be one I'll encourage them to read, I think. There's a feminist bookstore

Re: [Scouted]LotR Barbies

2003-12-06 Thread Julia Thompson
Jim Sharkey wrote: For the girl that has an inner geek, but still wants to be girly. Or, more likely, for the geeky adult with too much money and not enough toys: http://www.barbiecollectibles.com/shop/product.aspx?sku=B3449 They look kinda neat, but I don't know if they're $60 neat.

Re: Brin: The Virtue of Stubbornness?

2003-12-06 Thread Julia Thompson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm. How about persistence through adaptability. I like that one. I think it does a better job of summing up the philosophy than anything else I've seen so far this evening. Julia ___

Re: Br!n: The Virtue of Stubbornness?

2003-12-06 Thread David Hobby
Jim Sharkey wrote: David Hobby wrote: But as for Kault, the Thennanin ambassador, it was his phlegmatic character that kept him from noticing many of the (planted) signs of the Garthlings. If he hadn't been so thick, he might have succeeded sooner. That's probably a fair point. It

Re: Brin: The Virtue of Stubbornness?

2003-12-06 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 12/6/03 7:09:35 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is being unwilling to give up, in the author's opinion, the most noble human trait? It certainly is possible. Considering the near overwhelming obstacles faced by humanity in the Uplift Universe.

Something I never thought I'd see in an American cartoon

2003-12-06 Thread Jim Sharkey
I just finished watching tonight's Justice League. JL has been great fun to watch; it's tapped some good comics writers, which I think has definitely lifted the series. But tonight's episode, while not stellar, featured something that amazed me. All I can say is, if you told me twenty years

Re: Science Fiction In General...

2003-12-06 Thread Travis Edmunds
Any idea if David is on-line regularly anywhere these days? ___ I have no idea ___ I will never forget when somebody asked the meaning of BTW

Back to telescopes...

2003-12-06 Thread Medievalbk
I haven't heard more about the telescope buying project. As an aside, I just put a copy of Build Yourself a Telescope onto Alibris. Only one of about fifty copies out there. I thought I'd mention this because, of course, we're actually in danger of talking about SF. William Taylor

Re: Brin: The Virtue of Stubbornness?

2003-12-06 Thread Davd Brin
--- Julia wrote: There's a feminist bookstore in Austin; last time I was in there, a couple of years ago, they had a few shelves of SF, most of it written by women; of the few books written by men they had, _Glory Season_ was among them. Terrific! The core SF feminists in the Tiptree

Re: Back to telescopes...

2003-12-06 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 04:38 AM 12/7/03 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't heard more about the telescope buying project. Unfortunately, the conversations I have on that subject are usually quite short: [Student, referring to a 6 reflector that belongs to the school or my old one that I sometimes bring]:

Re: Science Fiction In General...

2003-12-06 Thread Travis Edmunds
I highly recommend you read the other Killer Bees; well worth the time. ___ Will do. I've been in a sci-fi lull as of late however, concentrating on some of the classics. (NO, I don't mean H.G. Wells or Jules

RE: Back to telescopes...

2003-12-06 Thread Travis Edmunds
So what do y'all think of the whole liquid mercury idea? One wordCHEAP.(Cost effective) _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

RE: Back to telescopes...

2003-12-06 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 04:59 AM 12/7/03 +, Travis Edmunds wrote: So what do y'all think of the whole liquid mercury idea? One wordCHEAP.(Cost effective) Not for a personal, portable telescope. Also poisonous. -- Ronn! :) ___

Re: Back to telescopes...

2003-12-06 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 05:58 AM 12/7/03 +, Julia Thompson wrote: Travis Edmunds wrote: So what do y'all think of the whole liquid mercury idea? One wordCHEAP.(Cost effective) I think I missed something. Can you fill me in? Julia p.s. the evening's previous posts were made one-handed, with

Re: Back to telescopes...

2003-12-06 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 12/6/2003 9:53:11 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As an aside, I just put a copy of Build Yourself a Telescope onto Alibris. Only one of about fifty copies out there. I'm not familiar with it. Ah, it is _Making Your Own Telescope_ by