Re: Br!n: On the Saudis

2004-10-25 Thread Doug Pensinger
Gautam wrote: There's another common thread, Doug, let me help _you_ find it. Not government agents. It's kind of a significant difference. Except Omar al-Bayoumi, a Saudi agent, who provided extensive assistance to two of the hijackers whom he met after meeting one Fahad al-Thumairy, later

Re: Who does GWB think he is?

2004-10-25 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Dave Land wrote: snipped A pack of Saudi terrorists hijacked planes on the date of 9/11. A pack of Robin Hood-in-Reverse thieves then hijacked society on the basis of 9/11. Nice rethorics. Sonja GCU: Mudslinging=off ___

Re: Brin: On the Saudis

2004-10-25 Thread David Brin
--- Doug The following is a great piece: Sen Phil Graham in a Salon interview: http://archive.salon.com/news/feature/2004/09/08/graham/index.html I mean, if there were EVER a Republican, still living, who I often disagree with and yet respect, it's G. One of scads of examples that it's a

Re: Brin: On the Saudis

2004-10-25 Thread Alberto Monteiro
David Brin wrote: I think it doesn't: the saudis really don't want the oil prices to become too high, because high oil prices makes it economically viable _other_ sources Alberto... like worrying about John Keery's preferece for conservation over drilling, this is extrapolating too far.

Yay Alberto!

2004-10-25 Thread Robert G. Seeberger
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3948531.stm Brazil has successfully launched its first rocket into space. Sunday's launch came 14 months after an attempt to put satellites in orbit ended in a deadly explosion. That rocket blew up before take-off from the Alcantara launch site in northern

Re: Brin: naming the beasts

2004-10-25 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 10/23/2004 1:42:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But he wasn't. His published figures are too good to be real: they don't pass a Chi-Square test, meaning that he adjusted them to look better than what he found in his experiments :-) The notion

Re: Brin: On the Saudis

2004-10-25 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I figure we are several years past the point where you began to believe such things about me. But I deny that you are an iota more patriotic than any other person on this list. xponent Well so do I, so this is exactly what I mean. I've never

Re: Br!n: On the Saudis

2004-10-25 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 09:51:24PM -0700, Gautam Mukunda wrote: Congratulations, you're actually _worse_ than Falwell, you're accusing the President of treason. You have completely forfeited the right to complain about _any_ Republican tactic or accusation without looking hopelessly

Re: Brin: On the Saudis

2004-10-25 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Oct 24, 2004 at 05:02:55PM -0700, Doug Pensinger wrote: How do the people of Nevada feel about storing nuclear waste? How do people in general in this country feel about Nuclear power? Wrong questions. Right questions: how much do they know about nuclear power and can they make a

Conservatives, not for Bush

2004-10-25 Thread Ruben Krasnopolsky
Another conservative newspaper not endorsing Bush: http://www.tampatrib.com/News/MGBU3UEHF0E.html Why We Cannot Endorse President Bush For Re-Election Here is the core paragraph: But we are unable to endorse President Bush for re-election because of his mishandling of the war in Iraq, his

Re: From the Guardian

2004-10-25 Thread Martin Lewis
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:52:45 -0500, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll stop here and see if you agree with this view of libertarianism, before going on. Yes, I'd say that was classic libertarianism. This is of course very different to the sense in which the Culture list is

RE: Baseball

2004-10-25 Thread Horn, John
Behalf Of Gautam Mukunda Sorry, John, but as I just told JDG offlist, apart from my normal affection for them, if they win I get to be a participant in the largest single party in human history, and I'm _really_ looking forward to that... No problem. I'm still hopefull we can put a damper

RE: Baseball

2004-10-25 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Horn, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As bad as the Red Sox defense has been, I can't wait to see what it is like with Ortiz on first base. shudder - jmh Yeah, maybe we can overnight some of those Tom Emansky videos to the visitors clubhouse in St. Louis? :-) Although, hey, if they

Re: From the Guardian

2004-10-25 Thread Nick Arnett
Gautam Mukunda wrote: --- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gautam Mukunda wrote: conflict can be overcome by more tolerance and examining of our own faults I snipped my post to highlight the key one. That does seem to be what you keep talking about in your constant statements about looking

Re: From the Guardian

2004-10-25 Thread Erik Reuter
On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 07:11:07AM -0700, Nick Arnett wrote: Accepting things as they are means believing that people are doing their best, but it doesn't for a moment mean that they can't do better. -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/

Re: From the Guardian

2004-10-25 Thread Nick Arnett
Erik Reuter wrote: On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 07:11:07AM -0700, Nick Arnett wrote: Accepting things as they are means believing that people are doing their best, but it doesn't for a moment mean that they can't do better. What's your question? Nick

Re: From the Guardian

2004-10-25 Thread Dave Land
Gautam said, There truly is no better reason for voting for George Bush than that it would appall people like this. Gautam: I think you're smarter than this. Hell, even I could probably come up with at least one better reason for voting for George Bush than to appall sloppy, lazy editorialists

Re: From the Guardian

2004-10-25 Thread Erik Reuter
On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 11:07:11AM -0700, Nick Arnett wrote: Erik Reuter wrote: On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 07:11:07AM -0700, Nick Arnett wrote: Accepting things as they are means believing that people are doing their best, but it doesn't for a moment mean that they can't do better.

Re: Yay Alberto!

2004-10-25 Thread Alberto Monteiro
The Alcantara Base should give Brazil a strong advantage over competitors. Only 2.3 degrees from the Equator, the base is considered the perfect launch site. It is the best place in the world to launch satellites: close to the equator, dry weater [it almost never rains there] and a huge

Re: Brin-l Digest, Vol 197, Issue 2

2004-10-25 Thread Matt Grimaldi
d.brin wrote: The one MUST READ for the weekend is Ron Suskind's piece on Dubya in the New York Times Magazine, Without A Doubt. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/17/magazine/17BUSH.html? Does anyone have this article downloaded? NY Times doesn't want me to be able to read it without

Re: From the Guardian

2004-10-25 Thread brin-l
At 24-10-04 17:04, Gautam wrote: No. That seems to me the belief of some of the European left which - asked to choose between Islamic terroism and the US - seems to kind of prefer the terrorists. That's a rather bald statement to make. On what material do you base your accusation that a good

Re: Brin-l Digest, Vol 197, Issue 6

2004-10-25 Thread Matt Grimaldi
Dan Minette wrote: Here's some US budget numbers for % changes over 4 year intervals...corresponding to presidential terms: YearIncome Expense change change (...) 1988 4.6% -4.1% 1992-3.3%4.2% 1996 8.0% -8.1%

Re: From the Guardian

2004-10-25 Thread William T Goodall
On 25 Oct 2004, at 8:34 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 24-10-04 17:04, Gautam wrote: No. That seems to me the belief of some of the European left which - asked to choose between Islamic terroism and the US - seems to kind of prefer the terrorists. That's a rather bald statement to make. On what

re: Brin: Iraq other calamities

2004-10-25 Thread d.brin
My favorite Bush admin comment of the day, defending against the disappearance of 380 tons of explosives http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/25/international/middleeast/25bomb.html: There is no indication that it has fallen into the wrong hands. Unbelievable. My friend Joe Carroll ponders - One

Re: From the Guardian

2004-10-25 Thread Nick Arnett
Erik Reuter wrote: Do you have a different definition of good/better/best than Webster's? I don't think so. If I might hazard a guess, perhaps you are wondering if I am somehow excusing people from responsibility for their actions by assming that they are doing their best...? Nick

Re: From the Guardian

2004-10-25 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 6:50 PM Subject: Re: From the Guardian Erik Reuter wrote: Do you have a different definition of good/better/best than Webster's? I don't think so.

RE: Baseball

2004-10-25 Thread Jim Sharkey
Gautam Mukunda wrote: if *the Sox* win I get to be a participant in the largest single party in human history No question. But I wonder, what will it do to the Boston psyche to no longer have that put-upon, woe is me I'm a Sawks fan thing? Jim ___

Re: From the Guardian

2004-10-25 Thread Dave Land
On Oct 25, 2004, at 5:29 PM, Dan Minette wrote: Erik Reuter wrote: Do you have a different definition of good/better/best than Webster's? I don't think so. If I might hazard a guess, perhaps you are wondering if I am somehow excusing people from responsibility for their actions by assming that

Re: From the Guardian

2004-10-25 Thread Nick Arnett
Dan Minette wrote: I think the uncertainty is in how something can be better than the best. My best -- at some things -- keeps getting better. Progress, not perfection! Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Brin: On the Saudis

2004-10-25 Thread Robert Seeberger
Gautam Mukunda wrote: --- Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I figure we are several years past the point where you began to believe such things about me. But I deny that you are an iota more patriotic than any other person on this list. xponent Well so do I, so this is exactly

RE: Baseball

2004-10-25 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gautam Mukunda wrote: if *the Sox* win I get to be a participant in the largest single party in human history No question. But I wonder, what will it do to the Boston psyche to no longer have that put-upon, woe is me I'm a Sawks fan thing?

Re: Brin: On the monsters

2004-10-25 Thread David Brin
. But I am starting to believe it will happen. We're going to take back civilization. By the way, look at: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyu=/ap/20041025/ap_on_re_eu/russia_us_election_1 Judge a man by the company he keeps. ___ http

Re: Brin: On the Republicans

2004-10-25 Thread JDG
=storyu=/ap/20041025/ap_on_re_eu/russia_us_ election_1 Judge a man by the company he keeps. As usual, world opinion only seems to matter when it agrees with you. JDG - Sanctimony, Maru. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: From the Guardian

2004-10-25 Thread Julia Thompson
William T Goodall wrote: On 25 Oct 2004, at 8:34 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 24-10-04 17:04, Gautam wrote: No. That seems to me the belief of some of the European left which - asked to choose between Islamic terroism and the US - seems to kind of prefer the terrorists.

Re: Brin: On the Republicans

2004-10-25 Thread David Brin
and claiming that the other side is composed of evil, traitorous monsters? Just wondering... No, just lying. I have ample proof that this is a slander, if by other side you mean conservatives or conservative-leaving voters or Republicans or libertarians. If what is meant is the

Re: Br!n: On the Saudis

2004-10-25 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first two sentences above really set me off. And I can only hope that you can understand why. Actually, after everything I've heard on this list, I have no sympathy whatsoever, Rob, and I really don't appreciate having you compare me to

Fusion of two threads

2004-10-25 Thread Julia Thompson
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-armstrong22oct22,0,4506268.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions or http://tinyurl.com/67asv This column reminded me of two different topics that we're enjoying some lively discussion on. :) Julia

Re: Baseball

2004-10-25 Thread Julia Thompson
Jim Sharkey wrote: Gautam Mukunda wrote: if *the Sox* win I get to be a participant in the largest single party in human history No question. But I wonder, what will it do to the Boston psyche to no longer have that put-upon, woe is me I'm a Sawks fan thing? That's a very good question.

Re: Brin: On the monsters

2004-10-25 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- David Brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To call it rational argument when you deliberately tell falsehoods about other peoples' views. Then use a DOZEN sophistries in just forty words You know, Dr. Brin, I challenged you on that ludicrous statement, and you didn't back it up. It's

Re: Br!n: On the Saudis

2004-10-25 Thread Nick Arnett
Gautam Mukunda wrote: In this case, of course, I was pointing out whose side I am on. I'm not on President Bush's side. I'm not on Senator Kerry's side. I'm just on America's side. This is a wonderful sentiment when it is a reminder that even when we disagree, we have a great deal in common.