Re: Social Security

2005-01-14 Thread Gary Denton
Wow, Brad DeLong and others caught someone in the media doing his job. Rex Nutting of CBS Marketwatch fact checking lies. Bush exaggerates a few facts about Social Security WASHINGTON (CBS.MW) - President Bush made several factual errors Tuesday about Social Security's long-term

Re: Social Security

2005-01-14 Thread Erik Reuter
* Dan Minette ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: long-working spouse. But, I still don't see it getting above 40 %. Let's look at the last $1k of earnings of the spouse looking at a 20k/year job. She's in the 15% marginal income tax bracket, her SS tax is 7.65%, and she is working for too few

Re: Social Security

2005-01-14 Thread Erik Reuter
* Gary Denton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I was pointing out that you were glossing over the fiscal responsibility of Clinton and Gore who converted the annual deficit to an annual surplus before chimp chump came into office. Strange. I thought the subject under discussion at that time was

Re: Social Security

2005-01-14 Thread Erik Reuter
* Doug Pensinger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: More from DeLong: My view: Why wait? Expel Wayne Allard from the Senate immediately for this gross violation of his oath of office. This is some of the silliness that decreases the value of Brad's web site (normally about half of what he writes is

Re: Pozen's SS plan Re: Social Security

2005-01-14 Thread Erik Reuter
* Gary Denton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: If you read the top of the page you saw it was as of 12/31/04 a horribly 2 weeks ago. Gary, this is very simple. You are quoting results that include expenses from a time period when the expenses had not been lowered. In the time period since the

Re: Social Security

2005-01-14 Thread Erik Reuter
* Doug Pensinger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Tell me. If, instead of making radical changes we tweaked the system; tied increases to inflation rather than wages (as you suggested), gradually increased the retirement age to, say 70, made benefits 100% taxable above a certain level of total

Re: Social Security

2005-01-14 Thread Erik Reuter
Thanks for the cite, Gary. * Gary Denton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: The Academy warned that infinite-horizon projections provide little if any useful information about the program's long-term finances and indeed are likely to mislead anyone lacking technical expertise in the demographic,

Re: Pozen's SS plan Re: Social Security

2005-01-14 Thread Erik Reuter
* Gary Denton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Unlike them I am not paid shills for the American Enterprise Institute being paid to persuade people that privatized federal savings To clarify we were discussing: Dr. Kent Smetters (Associate Professor at Wharton, former economist for the

Re: Pozen's SS plan Re: Social Security

2005-01-14 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Jan 14, 2005, at 6:29 AM, Erik Reuter wrote: Anyway, they are obviously qualified to have an expert opinion. You may have partisan disagreements with them, but dismissing them as paid shills is hardly persuasive, unless you can show some credentials that qualify you to give an expert opinion. I

Re: Pozen's SS plan Re: Social Security

2005-01-14 Thread Warren Ockrassa
Apropos an earlier discussion... On Jan 12, 2005, at 3:17 PM, Erik Reuter wrote: [...] You really need to learn how to read. [...] And you are completely clueless. Why do you pretend like you know what you are talking about? [...] If you bothered to look at the performance of SP500 index funds

RE: floodgates opening

2005-01-14 Thread Horn, John
Behalf Of Gary Nunn Today I got calls from several people at work because they had heard that my town is being evacuated due to the flood gates imminent opening. SNIP Anyone interested can see the carnage as it happens: http://wbns10tv.com Looks like things are better for Gary.

Re: Update on Tommy

2005-01-14 Thread Dave Land
On Jan 13, 2005, at 8:35 PM, Julia Thompson wrote: Doc says that Tommy appears to have a virus. Antibiotics are *not* in order at all (which is just as well, I'd worry about how his stomach would take it). We need to monitor his temperature and bring him bck tomorrow if it's too high. Doc is

[Fwd: ABC Muddles the Social Security Debate]

2005-01-14 Thread Nick Arnett
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Re: Update on Tommy

2005-01-14 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 1/13/2005 11:36:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Doc says that Tommy appears to have a virus. Antibiotics are *not* in order at all (which is just as well, I'd worry about how his stomach would take it). We need to monitor his temperature and bring

Re: Social Security

2005-01-14 Thread Kanandarqu
* Dan Minette ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: (taxes paid to government over one's lifetime- cash benefits received from government over ones lifetime)/total income over one's lifetime. I just realized the source of the difference. We are both writing out the formula for lifetime net tax rate, but

Re: Social Security

2005-01-14 Thread Doug Pensinger
Erik wrote: I guess I haven't been clear (or perhaps you are confusing my position with Bush's confusing rhetoric). Or maybe I'm somewhat dense when it comes to this stuff. Thanks for clarifying things for me. -- Doug ___

Re: Social Security

2005-01-14 Thread Erik Reuter
* Doug Pensinger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Erik wrote: I guess I haven't been clear (or perhaps you are confusing my position with Bush's confusing rhetoric). Or maybe I'm somewhat dense when it comes to this stuff. Thanks for clarifying things for me. I don't think you were being

Re: Social Security

2005-01-14 Thread Erik Reuter
* Erik Reuter ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: 40% stock portfolio would be expected to return 2.8%, which is a premium of only 2.8% over government bonds (the government can essentially typo, should be 0.8% premium -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/

Re: Social Security

2005-01-14 Thread maru dubshinki
Why the gloomy outlook? Not optimistic about security? ~Maru Erik Reuter wrote: In the long term, that will make a big difference, but compound interest takes decades to make a big difference. Also, my prediction is that over the next 10 years, equities will return less than their long term 4%.

Re: Social Security

2005-01-14 Thread maru dubshinki
Curious: I would have thought that dividend would have been higher; taxes were lowered significantly on them, and the economy has registered mediocre gains, in which companies should be able to take profits. But then I just heard that the producer price index has fallen noticeably. So perhaps