Re: an item from the culture war front

2005-03-21 Thread Ray Ludenia
On 21/03/2005, at 11:52 AM, d.brin wrote things: Was I the only one who when they read the subject line, conjured up visions of a declaration of war with that other list Regards, Ray. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: quantum darwin?

2005-03-21 Thread Ray Ludenia
On 21/03/2005, at 3:23 PM, Erik Reuter wrote: * Dan Minette ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: In reletivistic quantum mechanics, this is stated as Spacelike operators must commute. So, going back to our example of two spin 1/2 particles in a spin zero state, if we have call the operator for measuring

Re: an item from the culture war front

2005-03-21 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 07:00 AM Monday 3/21/2005, Ray Ludenia wrote: On 21/03/2005, at 11:52 AM, d.brin wrote things: Was I the only one who when they read the subject line, conjured up visions of a declaration of war with that other list Yes. :) --Ronn! :) ___

Re: Imax 'shuns films on evolution'

2005-03-21 Thread Dave Land
William, On 21 Mar 2005, at 3:14 am, Nick Arnett wrote: On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 23:51:44 +, William T Goodall wrote You don't think they're religious? Who, the BBC??? The people in the original story who had religious objections to evolution. You are objecting to them being referred to as

Re: quantum darwin?

2005-03-21 Thread Erik Reuter
* Ray Ludenia ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hardly seems likely. Dan is from the famous shut up and calculate school after all. Huh? Could've fooled me. -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Imax 'shuns films on evolution'

2005-03-21 Thread Erik Reuter
* Dave Land ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Actually, I thought it was pretty clear that Nick was objecting to what he perceived as the Beeb's framing the story in the point of view of the (literalist Christian) religious types who were reportedly objecting to the films in question. The

cool list of scientific quandaries.

2005-03-21 Thread d.brin
Great stuff at: http://www.newscientist.com/channel/space/mg18524911.600 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Imax 'shuns films on evolution'

2005-03-21 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 12:22 PM Subject: Re: Imax 'shuns films on evolution' * Dave Land ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Actually, I thought it was pretty clear that Nick was

Re: an item from the culture war front

2005-03-21 Thread Richard Baker
Ray said: Was I the only one who when they read the subject line, conjured up visions of a declaration of war with that other list Didn't we already win that one? Rich GSV Deliberately Ambiguous ___

Re: cool list of scientific quandaries.

2005-03-21 Thread Damon Agretto
11 The Wow signal I thought this was later refuted as being the signal from a Pulsar, which had previously been unknown? Damon. Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

Re: Imax 'shuns films on evolution'

2005-03-21 Thread Erik Reuter
* Dan Minette ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Not really. The concept that we should not use the bible as a means of understanding nature predates science (as opposed to natural philosophy) by hundreds of years. It was not presented by just any theorist either:... rather it was Tommy

Re: Brin: an item from the culture war front

2005-03-21 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 12:44 PM Subject: Re: an item from the culture war front Ray said: Was I the only one who when they read the subject line, conjured up visions of a

Kiln People review

2005-03-21 Thread Nick Arnett
After a decade spent exploring his Uplift Saga (with brief detours for The Postman and his contribution to the Second Foundation prequel trilogy, Foundation's Triumph), David Brin has written another stellar entry in original, thought-provoking science fiction. ...

Re: Imax 'shuns films on evolution'

2005-03-21 Thread Nick Arnett
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 03:26:18 +, William T Goodall wrote The people in the original story who had religious objections to evolution. You are objecting to them being referred to as religious. Are you claiming they are not religious or what? Confusion reigns. I'm not disagreeing that

Re: Imax 'shuns films on evolution'

2005-03-21 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:14 PM Subject: Re: Imax 'shuns films on evolution' * Dan Minette ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Not really. The concept that we should not use the bible

Re: Imax 'shuns films on evolution'

2005-03-21 Thread Maru Dubshinki
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:01:27 -0600, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He couldn't be arrested for countering Aristotle, so they used scripture. But, if the earth orbiting the sun were really a theological problem, then why in the world would Pope Gregory have consulted a number of Copernican

Re: Imax 'shuns films on evolution'

2005-03-21 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Maru Dubshinki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 3:51 PM Subject: Re: Imax 'shuns films on evolution' On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:01:27 -0600, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He couldn't be

Re: Imax 'shuns films on evolution'

2005-03-21 Thread Erik Reuter
* Dan Minette ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Out of curiosity, why are you so certain that the pop history must be right? Out of curiosity, Dan, have you stopped beating your wife? You really are pathetic when it comes to discussions on religion. All of your normal sharpness goes out the window.

Re: Imax 'shuns films on evolution'

2005-03-21 Thread Robert Seeberger
Erik Reuter wrote: * Dan Minette ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Out of curiosity, why are you so certain that the pop history must be right? Out of curiosity, Dan, have you stopped beating your wife? You really are pathetic when it comes to discussions on religion. All of your normal

Re: Imax 'shuns films on evolution'

2005-03-21 Thread William T Goodall
On 21 Mar 2005, at 8:51 pm, Nick Arnett wrote: On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 03:26:18 +, William T Goodall wrote The people in the original story who had religious objections to evolution. You are objecting to them being referred to as religious. Are you claiming they are not religious or what?

Re: Imax 'shuns films on evolution'

2005-03-21 Thread Trent Shipley
On Monday 2005-03-21 17:11, William T Goodall wrote: On 21 Mar 2005, at 8:51 pm, Nick Arnett wrote: On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 03:26:18 +, William T Goodall wrote The people in the original story who had religious objections to evolution. You are objecting to them being referred to as

Religious belief due to genetic defect

2005-03-21 Thread William T Goodall
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/03/22/ wrelig22.xml http://tinyurl.com/5jj5n Religious belief is in the genes and can literally be inherited from one's parents, according to new research. While environmental factors were the largest influences on children, genetic

Re: Religious belief due to genetic defect

2005-03-21 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 07:24 PM Monday 3/21/2005, William T Goodall wrote: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/03/22/ wrelig22.xml http://tinyurl.com/5jj5n Religious belief is in the genes and can literally be inherited from one's parents, according to new research. While environmental factors

Failure of religious belief due to genetic defect

2005-03-21 Thread Dave Land
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Re: Failure of religious belief due to genetic defect

2005-03-21 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
:) Nothing Else To Add Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Failure of religious belief due to genetic defect

2005-03-21 Thread William T Goodall
On 22 Mar 2005, at 2:44 am, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: :) Nothing Else To Add Maru But it isn't symmetrical. Colour-blindness or perfect pitch are also genetically linked attributes that correlate to objective reality. Colour-blindness is a defect. Perfect pitch may be an advantage (or maybe not

Re: Failure of religious belief due to genetic defect

2005-03-21 Thread Dave Land
On Mar 21, 2005, at 7:09 PM, William T Goodall wrote: Susceptibility to believing Evil religious nonsense that isn't so is a defect. How long, d'ya suppose, before someone discovers that arguing from one's conclusions is genetically determined? Dave

Re: Failure of religious belief due to genetic defect

2005-03-21 Thread William T Goodall
On 22 Mar 2005, at 3:11 am, Dave Land wrote: On Mar 21, 2005, at 7:09 PM, William T Goodall wrote: Susceptibility to believing Evil religious nonsense that isn't so is a defect. How long, d'ya suppose, before someone discovers that arguing from one's conclusions is genetically determined? Was it

Re: Failure of religious belief due to genetic defect

2005-03-21 Thread Julia Thompson
Dave Land wrote: On Mar 21, 2005, at 7:09 PM, William T Goodall wrote: Susceptibility to believing Evil religious nonsense that isn't so is a defect. How long, d'ya suppose, before someone discovers that arguing from one's conclusions is genetically determined? Eh, I think it's purely

cartoon

2005-03-21 Thread d.brin
Some of you may enjoy the following: http://www.thepaincomics.com/weekly041229.htm ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

sci am editorial

2005-03-21 Thread d.brin
I don't know if this is for real. Oughta be. An upcoming* Scientific America editorial: There's no easy way to admit this. For years, helpful letter writers told us to stick to science. They pointed out that science and politics don't mix. They said we should be more balanced in our

Brin Re: cartoon

2005-03-21 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 3/21/2005 9:41:16 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Some of you may enjoy the following: http://www.thepaincomics.com/weekly041229.htm Science and Norse Mythology combined: We all evolved from Edda Haskel, who certainly always behaved like an

Brin: cool list of scientific quandaries.

2005-03-21 Thread Doug Pensinger
I noticed that the bulk of these quandries are comological in nature. Perhaps cosmologists should shut up and calculate? -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: sci am editorial

2005-03-21 Thread Keith Henson
At 05:26 PM 21/03/05 -0800, you wrote: I don't know if this is for real. Oughta be. I think the next to last line telegraphs what you can expect. Keith Henson An upcoming* Scientific America editorial: There's no easy way to admit this. For years, helpful letter writers told us to stick to