Re: Peaceful change

2005-04-12 Thread Robert J. Chassell
Nick Arnett wrote I cannot agree with the premise that underlies this -- that evil is out there and we in here, if powerful enough, can eliminate it. Well, how about a premise that includes people `in here'? that some of the people who gain governmental power, whether

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-12 Thread Robert J. Chassell
On the contrary, Saddam Hussein's government was actively working on them. That is why some people were worried in 2002 -- they really did not think that Saddam Hussein was lying when he claimed to be continuing the effort. And we haven't found evidence of this, two years

Re: Christian Justification for War (was Re: The Other Christianity, was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-12 Thread Robert J. Chassell
JDG wrote ... let's consider a reasonable definition of the US's friends as being those countries with which the US has a formal Alliance ... Of the 32 or so of these ... That fails to provide much legitimacy. It is the same argument as that in favor of the United Nations. That is

24?

2005-04-12 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
Presuming that after the husband is released from the hospital and finishes PT the camping couple in last night's episode gets back to the stated reason for their camping trip and successfully completes their task, do you suppose that sometime in the future when his children or grandchildren

Re: Peaceful change

2005-04-12 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 08:08 AM Tuesday 4/12/2005, Robert J. Chassell wrote: Nick Arnett wrote I cannot agree with the premise that underlies this -- that evil is out there and we in here, if powerful enough, can eliminate it. Well, how about a premise that includes people `in here'? that some of the

a wee rant

2005-04-12 Thread d.brin
Here's the latest posting at www.davidbrin.blogspot.com/ -- Finally, no more Star Wars... Well, wasn't that interesting about SETI? Not exactly my usual stuff. I guess I'm clearing my decks of miscellaneous irritations. I will get back to the serious episodic tome about Modernism and its

Brin: Re: a wee rant

2005-04-12 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 12:04 PM Tuesday 4/12/2005, d.brin wrote: Here's the latest posting at www.davidbrin.blogspot.com/ [snip for brevity] WADR, I think it probably says everything that needs to be said to recall that the most common shorthand among fans for Episode 6: _Return of the Jedi_ is ROTJ, and to

Re: Brin: Re: a wee rant

2005-04-12 Thread Damon Agretto
Not over yet. I heard there are going to be TWO TV series coming out. We'll see how they do. I don't care what anyone says, SW makes a great RPG setting! Damon. Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-12 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Apr 9, 2005, at 11:04 AM, Dan Minette wrote: From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, why though? Isn't everything we state that is less than 100% provable an opinion? Isn't it valid to read in the phrase In my opinion... before any declaration, at least of values or judgments? Obviously

Re: Democracy in Iraq Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-12 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Apr 9, 2005, at 2:20 PM, JDG wrote: At 04:17 PM 4/7/2005 -0700, Nick wrote: On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 15:01:52 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote It means that there wasn't a third option between going to war to remove Hussein and leaving him in power. It didn't exist. No one proposed one that was

Re: Brin: Re: Six devastating issues

2005-04-12 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Apr 11, 2005, at 4:47 PM, JDG wrote: First, Democrats will have a difficult time rebranding themselves as the anti-government Party. After all, you have previously defined the Democrats on this List as being the Party that favored *every* big-government program over the past 100-or-so years

Re: Brin: Re: Six devastating issues

2005-04-12 Thread Damon Agretto
And, um, what has China to do with any of it anyway? It's been widely reported that the reason for high fuel costs is because of China's rapidly expanding economy. Damon. Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet

Re: Peaceful change

2005-04-12 Thread Nick Arnett
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:08:54 -0400 (EDT), Robert J. Chassell wrote Nick Arnett wrote I cannot agree with the premise that underlies this -- that evil is out there and we in here, if powerful enough, can eliminateit. Well, how about a premise that includes people `in here'?

Re: Brin: Re: Six devastating issues

2005-04-12 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Apr 12, 2005, at 12:21 PM, Damon Agretto wrote: And, um, what has China to do with any of it anyway? It's been widely reported that the reason for high fuel costs is because of China's rapidly expanding economy. Ah. Not that widely apparently. ;) I'm not sure how valid that claim is. If the

Re: Peaceful change

2005-04-12 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Apr 12, 2005, at 12:28 PM, Nick Arnett wrote: On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:08:54 -0400 (EDT), Robert J. Chassell wrote Nick Arnett wrote I cannot agree with the premise that underlies this -- that evil is out there and we in here, if powerful enough, can eliminateit. Well, how about a

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-12 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 1:50 PM Subject: Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments) On Apr 9, 2005, at 11:04 AM, Dan Minette wrote: From: Warren

Re: Brin: Re: Six devastating issues

2005-04-12 Thread Damon Agretto
Ah. Not that widely apparently. ;) Well they said so on CNN today! I'm not sure how valid that claim is. If the chart here is of any value, China's economic growth has been on a more or less steady rise since 1998 or so: http://www.chinability.com/GDP.htm ...while oil prices have been

Re: Brin: Re: Six devastating issues

2005-04-12 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Apr 12, 2005, at 2:08 PM, Damon Agretto wrote: Ah. Not that widely apparently. ;) Well they said so on CNN today! I don't work with the television on. The last time I looked at CNN -- couple days ago, I think -- there was interminable live coverage of a hostage standoff between a man and

Further Transparent Society-ness

2005-04-12 Thread Maru Dubshinki
From the New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/12/nyregion/12video.html?incamp=article_popular_4 (Be prepared to render up your soul), or http://tinyurl.com/64xlx: begin article Videos Challenge Accounts of Convention Unrest ennis Kyne put up such a fight at a political protest last

Armatures win again (near-Earth object detection)

2005-04-12 Thread John DeBudge
As David Brin has pointed out in multiple places, one of the important lessons to learn from 9/11 is how well the average armature person was able to respond to a crisis. Self forming and self organizing groups of common people outperform the professionals time after time. Some of you might have

Re: Brin: Re: a wee rant

2005-04-12 Thread John DeBudge
On Apr 12, 2005 11:09 AM, Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't care what anyone says, SW makes a great RPG setting! Well of course it does, you get to play one of the Heroes =) In fact, the better the setting for an RPG, the less likely I would like to actually live in such a place.

Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

2005-04-12 Thread Russell Chapman
Robert J. Chassell wrote: If the Iraqi government had waited until it had nuclear weapons, Iraq might well have become the first country since 1945 to annex all of another country successfully (country as recognized by the UN as a 1648 `Treaty of Westfalia' type of country, not as a `protocol

Re: 24?

2005-04-12 Thread Julia Thompson
4! Sheesh. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: 24?

2005-04-12 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Julia Thompson wrote: 4! No, if 4! = 24, then 24? = 4 The interesting thing is that 10? = 3.390 or so. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l