RE: Soldiers Die, CEOs Prosper

2006-09-20 Thread Ritu
Charlie said: Charlie said: Ritu wrote: That has nothing to do with economic justification for war. To say the same thing differently, if there is such a thing as a just war, economics isn't how it is justified. On 20/09/2006, at 10:33 AM, jdiebremse wrote: Somewhere

Re: Soldiers Die, CEOs Prosper

2006-09-20 Thread Charlie Bell
On 20/09/2006, at 6:04 PM, Ritu wrote: Charlie said: Charlie said: Ritu wrote: That has nothing to do with economic justification for war. To say the same thing differently, if there is such a thing as a just war, economics isn't how it is justified. On 20/09/2006, at 10:33 AM,

RE: Soldiers Die, CEOs Prosper

2006-09-20 Thread Ritu
Charlie wrote: But I wrote none of the lines you quoted. The first bit is Nick's. :) Well, why didn't you say that then? :p Because I expect the primary attribution to relate directly to the line one is responding to... :p Ritu ___

Re: Whose Ox is Gored?

2006-09-20 Thread Gibson Jonathan
Hullo Dave, all, I applaud your gesture of even-handedness as this is a useful reminder for maintaining a civil tone and maybe, just maybe, getting to root issues. A problem well-stated is a problem half-solved, and all. I just wished our system actually worked as we are sold it does. My

Weekly Chat Reminder

2006-09-20 Thread William T Goodall
As Steve said, The Brin-L weekly chat has been a list tradition for over six years. Way back on 27 May, 1998, Marco Maisenhelder first set up a chatroom for the list, and on the next day, he established a weekly chat time. We've been through several servers, chat technologies, and even casts of

Re: Soldiers Die, CEOs Prosper

2006-09-20 Thread Dave Land
On Sep 19, 2006, at 5:33 PM, jdiebremse wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you suppose that armies should get their food, clothing, and boots - if not by purchasing them, at profit, from producers of food, clothing, and boots? That has nothing to do

Re: 9/11 conspiracies (WAS RE: What should we believe when there is no reliab...

2006-09-20 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 9/18/2006 11:06:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Assuming that a large number of people can't be wrong about something because they are smart and well-connected is a tautology. I think there are many examples of large numbers of smart,

Re: 9/11 conspiracies or why the Red Sox collapsed

2006-09-20 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 9/18/2006 11:43:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sorry, I phrased that poorly. He was _always_ an extraordinary, Hall-of-Fame caliber shortstop, because his hitting more than made up for his atrocious fielding. His hitting was never quite as good

Re: 9/11 conspiracies (WAS RE: What should we believe when there is no reliab...

2006-09-20 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 9/19/2006 1:05:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ...'cause there's no such thing as something that is so well supported it can be considered a fact. Like gravity. Just a theory. Well according to Karl Popper there are no absolute facts in

Re: Keep Propaganda Off The Airwaves

2006-09-20 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rather than continuing to trade rhetorical points, perhaps you could start by specifying those things that are broadly-accepted factual inaccuracies - and not just partisan factual inaccuracies ... So that you can just

RE: 9/11 conspiracies or why the Red Sox collapsed

2006-09-20 Thread Dan Minette
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 8:52 PM To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: 9/11 conspiracies or why the Red Sox collapsed In a message dated 9/18/2006 11:43:21 P.M. Eastern

Re: 9/11 conspiracies (WAS RE: What should we believe when there is no reliab...

2006-09-20 Thread Charlie Bell
On 21/09/2006, at 11:59 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well according to Karl Popper there are no absolute facts in science. All scientific facts are in theory provisional since scientific facts are by definition falseafiable. Many things are so well established and so imbedded in a net

Re: The coming Singularitarian

2006-09-20 Thread Julia Thompson
Alberto Monteiro wrote: Jonathan Gibson wrote: I read Cassini Division over the few quiet times I found at Burning Man last week (...) The first time I heard about this Burning Man was in a Malcolm-in-the-Middle episode. It sounds like Brazilian Carnival, but tamer :-P And at Carnival,

Re: 9/11 conspiracies (WAS RE: What should we believe when there is no reliab...

2006-09-20 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 9/19/2006 4:45:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm fairly certain that gravity is a fact. How it works is a theory. Finally - that's exactly what I was saying about evolution before. Same thing. No disagreement here. I am not sure

Re: 9/11 conspiracies (WAS RE: What should we believe when there is no reliab...

2006-09-20 Thread Charlie Bell
On 21/09/2006, at 12:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not sure things are so simple in differentiating fact from theory. The facts of evolution are that there is change over time in the type and nature of living things. That's the fact part of evolution, yep. This implies that

Re: unholy OS wars

2006-09-20 Thread Julia Thompson
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 11:49 AM Monday 9/11/2006, Gibson Jonathan wrote: [...] do you let the programmers self-test in a vacuum If so, you probably go through a _lot_ of testers that way. And you have to wonder about the reports they gasp out in the last stages of hypoxia. Dammit,

Re: 9/11 conspiracies (WAS RE: What should we believe when there is no reliab...

2006-09-20 Thread Nick Arnett
On 9/20/06, Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But it's often used wrongly, to state that the probabilitical nature of scientific proof means we can't be certain of some things. Hey, you have inspired a neologism. Creationism is probapolitically true. Nick -- Nick Arnett [EMAIL

Re: 9/11 conspiracies (WAS RE: What should we believe when there is no reliab...

2006-09-20 Thread Charlie Bell
On 21/09/2006, at 1:13 PM, Nick Arnett wrote: On 9/20/06, Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But it's often used wrongly, to state that the probabilitical nature of scientific proof means we can't be certain of some things. Hey, you have inspired a neologism. Creationism is

Re: unholy OS wars

2006-09-20 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 10:07 PM Wednesday 9/20/2006, Julia Thompson wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 11:49 AM Monday 9/11/2006, Gibson Jonathan wrote: [...] do you let the programmers self-test in a vacuum If so, you probably go through a _lot_ of testers that way. And you have to wonder about the reports

Re: Whose Ox is Gored?

2006-09-20 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gibson Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My problem with this particular situation is a serious lack of evenhandedness shows deepening flaws. For almost two decades I've watched conservative politicians court and skirt this set of rules - especially in the South -