At 07:32 PM Sunday 2/17/2008, William T Goodall wrote:
1/5 Americans think the Sun revolves around the Earth Maru
The other 80% are convinced that the world revolves around them . . .
Egocentric Universe Maru
-- Ronn! :)
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Survey finds faith trumps science for Florida parents
BY RON MATUS AND
DONNA WINCHESTER
St. Petersburg Times
Florida parents don't have much faith in evolution.
Only 22 percent want public schools to teach an
Charlie Bell stated:
...and diversionary. It's a debating technique known in some circles
as the Gish Gallop, and it's very frustrating for people who pride
themselves on being concise.
The purpose of my argument was never to be diversionary, but to explore some
of the details of another's
On 2/18/08, Dan M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, let me give you a very concise argument:
1) Neli told me at Christmas that she got word from home (Zambia) that the
EU is threatening a withholding of funding if Zambia does not stop the
spraying of house walls with DDT to prevent malaria.
Do
On 2/18/08, Dan M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, let me give you a very concise argument:
1) Neli told me at Christmas that she got word from home (Zambia) that
the
EU is threatening a withholding of funding if Zambia does not stop the
spraying of house walls with DDT to prevent
Dan M wrote:
1) Neli told me at Christmas that she got word from home (Zambia) that the
EU is threatening a withholding of funding if Zambia does not stop the
spraying of house walls with DDT to prevent malaria.
2) This technique has been demonstrated in South Africa and shown on this
list
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To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion
Subject: Re: malaria in Africa
On 2/18/08, Dan M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, let me give you a
Dan M: wrote:
3) Are you interested in discussing what I just quoted and will requote:
The third is a discussion of the case at hand: if we (as I think we do)
agree that improving the lives of the poorer among us at least _a_
worthwhile goal, has Wal-Mart done more to aid or more to harm those
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Behalf Of Martin Lewis
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 9:48 AM
To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion
Subject: Re: malaria in Africa
On 2/18/08, Dan M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, let me give you
I'm certainly interested in a good discussion, but I find it very
difficult to debate with you because you are a very prolific writer with
no apparent limit on the time you have to research a topic.
Believe it or not, I'm driving to Austin to be with my wife nearly every
weekend and
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Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 11:43 PM
To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion
Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and more
Dan M wrote:
...
Would you consider this an reasonable, non right
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Behalf Of Curtis Burisch
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 10:33 AM
To: 'Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion'
Subject: RE: Wal-Mart and more
Dan M: wrote:
3) Are you interested in discussing what I just
On 2/18/08, Dan M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You really thought that posting hearsay from your daughter was a good
way of validating an argument that you have made misleading comments
about many times in the past?
Which misleading comments were those? IIRC, I was told by Charlie that DDT
Dan, I live in Africa. I lived in Zimbabwe for more than half my life.
There's no denying that Malaria is a big problem. But DDT is definitely NOT
the answer.
Other preventative measures are cheaper, and far less damaging. Wikipedia
again:
The relative effectiveness of IRS (with DDT or
On 19/02/2008, at 1:47 AM, Dan M wrote:
Charlie Bell stated:
...and diversionary. It's a debating technique known in some circles
as the Gish Gallop, and it's very frustrating for people who pride
themselves on being concise.
The purpose of my argument was never to be diversionary, but
Charlie said:
Oh look - change of topic:
Muahahahahhahahaahaaa!!!
Regards
Curtis
Can't pull the wool over this one's eyes Maru :P
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On 18 Feb 2008 at 21:10, Curtis Burisch wrote:
Dan, I live in Africa. I lived in Zimbabwe for more than half my life.
There's no denying that Malaria is a big problem. But DDT is definitely NOT
the answer.
It's effective and safe when used properly.
But the key there is used properly.
Charlie Bell wrote:
Heh. It's very frustrating to people who don't have spare time, and
it's very frustrating to people who are trying to sort out one point
to be totally smothered. You're not exploring details, you're just
drowning people in volume, and switching or adding topics. It's very
On Feb 17, 2008 8:50 PM, Dan M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hmmm, those folks I showed/read this to saw the implied question fairly
straightforwardly. I didn't want to be at all rude, so I made it
implicit.
Explicitly, if I start a conversation over the first two issues, will you
be
willing
On Feb 17, 2008 8:50 PM, Dan M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
3) Are you interested in discussing what I just quoted and will requote:
The third is a discussion of the case at hand: if we (as I think we do)
agree that improving the lives of the poorer among us at least _a_
worthwhile goal, has
On Feb 18, 2008 1:41 PM, Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Empiricism requires data. If you're not as good at it as he is (no shame
- I'm not either) I would think reading and debating with him would be a
great opportunity to _get better at it_. If he challenges your opinions
using
Hi Gautam, how are you? I hope you'll stay with us for a while. I'd
especially be interested in your perspective on the Presidential contest
which continues to be one of the most interesting in my lifetime. What do
you think of McCain? I know your buddy George Will has expressed
reservations.
Dan M wrote:
Dan--
I read Krugman regularly, and usually agree with him.
The quote of his is at:
http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2005/12/paul_krugman_wa.htm
Dan--
Looks familiar. I bet I read it when it first came out.
The gist is that Wal-Mart does not create retail
On Feb 18, 2008 4:58 PM, David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So Sure it does claims that evil has explanatory power?
I remember an argument with Gautam along these lines a while
back. His line was something like Terrorists are evil because
they do horrible things. Terrorists do horrible
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From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:48:48 -0800
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: malaria in Africa
Hi Gautam, how are you? I hope you'll stay with us for a while. I'd
especially be interested in your perspective on the
Original Message:
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From: David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:58:13 -0500
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: Wal-Mart and more
Dan M wrote:
Dan--
I read Krugman regularly, and usually agree with him.
The quote of his is at:
Dan wrote:
$50 says he's a McCain supporter. :-)
Now that wouldn't be a fair bet, would it?
Are you sure he doesn't want to rewrite the constitution so its in God's
standards?
Doug
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Doug wrote:
Hi Gautam, how are you? I hope you'll stay with us for a while. I'd
especially be interested in your perspective on the Presidential contest
which continues to be one of the most interesting in my lifetime. What do
you think of McCain? I know your buddy George Will has expressed
Nick Arnett wrote:
On Feb 18, 2008 4:58 PM, David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So Sure it does claims that evil has explanatory power?
...
I'm curious why you guys are talking about evil. I don't think anybody in
this discussion has called Wal-Mart evil. I guess I'm posting this because
On Feb 18, 2008 6:20 PM, Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But one issue where we do actually _know_ what the right thing to do is,
is trade. Free trade is the right
policy. And McCain is right on that (as, sadly, both Democrats,
repudiating one of the greatest achievements of the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
Historically, new jobs have always been created for the guys that lose
their job. There is dislocation, but in the end just about everyone
benefits.
I'm not sure I buy that. I see a grave shortage of jobs in the
US. This goes way beyond the official unemployment
On 19/02/2008, at 8:41 AM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
I replied:
Look, Charlie, Dan is fantastically good at researching and
analyzing data.
Yes, he can be.
There's something frankly perverse in the idea that such an ability
(one that puts him in the tiny handful of the very best I've ever
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