Re: Sore losers

2008-08-29 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 27, 2008, at 1:25 PM, Jon Louis Mann wrote: nationalism is an aberration that is found in many countries, and to be abhorred. it is especially repugnant in nations where their citizens actually believe they are better than other nations (like some french, saudi, israeli,

Re: Brazilian volleyball girls

2008-08-29 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 27, 2008, at 4:43 PM, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro wrote: Jon Louis Mann wrote: I bow down to the Chinese volleyball girls, Err... They were blasted 3 x 0 by the Brazilian volleyball girls :-P missed that, congrats to brazil!~) It was the first time the girls won the gold

Welcome to Hyperinflation!

2008-08-29 Thread Alberto Monteiro
I was just checking the evolution of PPI (PPI and CPI measure inflation in the USA), and noticed that _this year_ the accumulated inflation is about 10% (!!!) Welcome to Hyperinflation. If you want any hints on how to survive and prosper under hyperinflation, just ask me. Brazil had it for

RE: Welcome to Hyperinflation!

2008-08-29 Thread Curtis Burisch
Zimbabwe inflation rate is around 810% **per month** ! c -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alberto Monteiro Sent: 29 August 2008 14:31 PM To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion Subject: Welcome to Hyperinflation! I was just checking

RE: Sore losers

2008-08-29 Thread Pat Mathews
Nationalism is just another step in the ladder of Me and Not-Me, Family and Not-Family, Tribe and Not-Tribe.And what is the next step after nationalism? Judging from history and what I see around me, something very similar to Citizen and Not-Citizen. A Citizen being defined as anyone of any

Re: Sore losers

2008-08-29 Thread Olin Elliott
Jon Louis Mann wrote: nationalism is an aberration that is found in many countries, and to be abhorred. it is especially repugnant in nations where their citizens actually believe they are better than other nations Nationalism is not an aberrantion -- it is one of the human constants.

Dogs (was: Sore Losers)

2008-08-29 Thread Olin Elliott
We even had a racist dog when I was a kid. He was raised by my family of white people in a neighborhood of mostly white people, so when black kids from the projects walked by, who were different, he went nuts. Then again, dogs are remarkable at picking up subtle clues in the behavior of

Re: Enough!

2008-08-29 Thread John Garcia
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 1:19 AM, Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did anyone catch The Speech? I was inspired and I think against all odds that he has a chance. What a watershed moment in the history of humanity that would be. Doug ___

Re: Welcome to Hyperinflation!

2008-08-29 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 07:30 AM Friday 8/29/2008, Alberto Monteiro wrote: I was just checking the evolution of PPI (PPI and CPI measure inflation in the USA), and noticed that _this year_ the accumulated inflation is about 10% (!!!) Welcome to Hyperinflation. If you want any hints on how to survive and prosper under

Re: Welcome to Hyperinflation!

2008-08-29 Thread Doug Pensinger
Ronn! wrote: Or just remember the Carter administration. He Said During The Campaign That Four Percent Inflation Was Unacceptable So When He Got Into Office He Made It Twenty-Plus Percent Maru Cite? Doug ___

Re: Enough!

2008-08-29 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 29, 2008, at 7:34 AM, John Garcia wrote: On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 1:19 AM, Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did anyone catch The Speech? I was inspired and I think against all odds that he has a chance. What a watershed moment in the history of humanity that would be.

Re: Welcome to Hyperinflation!

2008-08-29 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 29, 2008, at 9:29 AM, Doug Pensinger wrote: Ronn! wrote: Or just remember the Carter administration. He Said During The Campaign That Four Percent Inflation Was Unacceptable So When He Got Into Office He Made It Twenty-Plus Percent Maru Cite? Might Ronn! be conflating

Re: Welcome to Hyperinflation!

2008-08-29 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 29, 2008, at 10:14 AM, Dave Land wrote: On Aug 29, 2008, at 9:29 AM, Doug Pensinger wrote: Ronn! wrote: Or just remember the Carter administration. He Said During The Campaign That Four Percent Inflation Was Unacceptable So When He Got Into Office He Made It Twenty-Plus Percent

Re: Welcome to Hyperinflation!

2008-08-29 Thread William T Goodall
On 29 Aug 2008, at 18:34, Dave Land wrote: I am having a hard time finding good numbers, but one reference on the web (http://www.let.rug.nl/usa/H/1990/ch8_p21.htm) put it above 20% in 1980. http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-carterreagan.htm Second Hand Maru -- William T Goodall Mail :

Secular belief vs Science

2008-08-29 Thread David Land
Folks, We talk a lot -- some might say too much -- about the pernicious effects of blind religious belief, especially as it prevents rational thought about science. You might say that Science is sacred around here. But secular belief can be just as blinding just as stupid dangerous. Consider

Re: Secular belief vs Science

2008-08-29 Thread William T Goodall
On 29 Aug 2008, at 20:18, David Land wrote: My mind boggled. Why ask the damn question, then? She had faith. Unreasoning Belief Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ There's no chance that the

RE: Welcome to Hyperinflation!

2008-08-29 Thread Dean MacLanders
I am having a hard time finding good numbers, but one reference on the web (http://www.let.rug.nl/usa/H/1990/ch8_p21.htm) put it above 20% in 1980. http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-carterreagan.htm The US Bureau of Labour Statistics places CPI inflation at 13.5% in 1980.

Secular belief vs Science

2008-08-29 Thread Jon Louis Mann
Consider the caller Charlane on NPR's Science Friday just now. The topic was the (now thoroughly-debunked) concerns about links between vaccines autusm and other vaccine scares. She was adamant about not having her baby immunized on the CDC-recommended schedule because, among other

Sore Losers

2008-08-29 Thread Jon Louis Mann
nationalism is an aberration that is found in many countries, and to be abhorred. it is especially repugnant in nations where their citizens actually believe they are better than other nations (like some french, saudi, israeli, japanese citizens, etc.). jon I think

Sore Losers

2008-08-29 Thread Jon Louis Mann
nationalism is an aberration that is found in many countries, and to be abhorred. it is especially repugnant in nations where their citizens actually believe they are better than other nations (like some french, saudi, israeli, japanese citizens, etc.). jon I think

Sore Losers

2008-08-29 Thread Jon Louis Mann
nationalism is an aberration that is found in many countries, and to be abhorred. it is especially repugnant in nations where their citizens actually believe they are better than other nations (like some french, saudi, israeli, japanese citizens, etc.). jon I think

Sore losers

2008-08-29 Thread Jon Louis Mann
Jon Louis Mann wrote: nationalism is an aberration found in many countries, and to be abhorred. it is especially repugnant in nations where their citizens actually believe they are better than other nations... Nationalism is not an aberration -- it is one of the human constants.

Re: Secular belief vs Science

2008-08-29 Thread William T Goodall
On 29 Aug 2008, at 21:04, Jon Louis Mann wrote: when it was time for my son to be immunized several years ago, i opted to wait till he was older, and then space them out; figuring better to be safe than sorry. i suppose that is why some people choose to believe in gawd. jon So it's

Re: Sore losers

2008-08-29 Thread Olin Elliott
aren't you being self righteous about not being self righteous, olin? if intolerance of intolerance is being self righteous, then i pleasd guilty, too. jon of course I'm being self-righteous -- notice that I was very careful to use inclusive language throughout what I wrote, even noting that

Sore losers

2008-08-29 Thread Jon Louis Mann
of course I'm being self-righteous -- notice that I was very careful to use inclusive language throughout what I wrote, even noting that we should all go back and read Dr. Brin's article. I'm one of the worst -- only in the last half-decade or so of my life have I learned to (usually) avoid

Secular belief vs Science

2008-08-29 Thread Jon Louis Mann
when it was time for my son to be immunized several years ago, i opted to wait till he was older, and then space them out; figuring better to be safe than sorry. i suppose that is why some people choose to believe in gawd. jon So it's the immunization version of Pascal's

Re: Welcome to Hyperinflation!

2008-08-29 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 11:29 AM Friday 8/29/2008, Doug Pensinger wrote: Ronn! wrote: Or just remember the Carter administration. He Said During The Campaign That Four Percent Inflation Was Unacceptable So When He Got Into Office He Made It Twenty-Plus Percent Maru Cite? Doug Being there. . .

Re: Welcome to Hyperinflation!

2008-08-29 Thread Doug Pensinger
Ronn! wrote: Being there. A faulty memory is a poor cite. Not only wasn't inflation anywhere near 20% during the Carter administration, it wasn't anywhere near 4% immediately prior to his election. Here's another cite to go with the ones already posted:

Re: Secular belief vs Science

2008-08-29 Thread Charlie Bell
On 30/08/2008, at 8:05 AM, Jon Louis Mann wrote: Pascal's Wager (or Pascal's Gambit) is a suggestion posed by the French philosopher Blaise Pascal that even though the existence of God cannot be determined through reason, a person should wager as though God exists, because so living

Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin

2008-08-29 Thread Gary Nunn
Considering the fact that McCain just announced his VP running mate today, it's interesting that there are domain names associating Sarah Palin with Vice President registered back in June 2008. The domain name VicePresidentSarahPalin.com was registered on June 14, 2008. Nothing illegal or

RE: Welcome to Hyperinflation!

2008-08-29 Thread Dan M
I'm pretty sure it never got into the 20s for any sustained period. I am having a hard time finding good numbers, but one reference on the web (http://www.let.rug.nl/usa/H/1990/ch8_p21.htm) put it above 20% in 1980. Dave Well, IIRC, the primary source for this is the Bureau of Labor

Re: Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin

2008-08-29 Thread William T Goodall
On 30 Aug 2008, at 02:36, Gary Nunn wrote: Considering the fact that McCain just announced his VP running mate today, it's interesting that there are domain names associating Sarah Palin with Vice President registered back in June 2008. The domain name VicePresidentSarahPalin.com was

Re: Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin

2008-08-29 Thread David Hobby
William T Goodall wrote: Sarah Palin ... Vice President ... She's a crazy person. With four kids already, and at an age when the risk of fetal abnormalities is massively escalated, she gets pregnant again and when the tests show it has Down Syndrome she doesn't abort. She's wealthy

Re: Sore losers

2008-08-29 Thread Olin Elliott
I don't believe i was being sanctimonious, olin, by saying that nationalism is abhorrent. i was simply stating my opinion. i will maintain that the didactic, righteous, dogmatists tend to come from the emotional right wing religious fanatics (many of whom believe in creationism and reject