RE: Greens add to Greenhouse gasses (Keith Henson)

2012-11-29 Thread Dan Minette
With all due respect, Keith, I've been hearing arguments like this for 50 years. That's impressive hearing considering that the big, high efficiency lasers that make this concept possible have been around for less than 5 years. This particular combination, I haven't heard for 50 years.

Re: Greens add to Greenhouse gasses (Keith Henson)

2012-11-29 Thread Kevin O'Brien
On 11/28/2012 7:05 PM, Keith Henson wrote: In regard to Kevin B. O'Brien's comments, the Chinese are far more likely to build propulsion lasers and power sats than the US. It's possible they have already made the decision, see the recent announcement about building power sats with the Indians.

RE: Greens add to Greenhouse gasses

2012-11-29 Thread Keith Henson
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Dan Minette danmine...@att.net wrote: snip I was basically asking if you've been around the block. That's not an appeal to authority, just the result of the observation that folks who've walked the walk are more likely to be accurate the next time they talk

Re: Power and civilization

2012-11-29 Thread Medievalbk
Twas in Last And First Men, by Olaf Stapledon, I think, where all future civilizations had their power based upon alcohol. Nothing stored from the past was left. In a message dated 11/29/2012 12:58:45 P.M. US Mountain Standard Tim, net_democr...@yahoo.com writes: The

RE: Greens add to Greenhouse gasses

2012-11-29 Thread Dan Minette
Yup, oil production is not as harmless as nuclear bomb tests. It depends on how close you are to the nuclear bomb test. But, oil is generally lower in radioactivity than bananas. If you are far enough away from the test, then the radiation is so low, it's orders of magnitude below what you get

RE: Greens add to Greenhouse gasses

2012-11-29 Thread Dan Minette
-Original Message- From: brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com [mailto:brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com] On Behalf Of Kevin O'Brien Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 9:06 AM To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Greens add to Greenhouse gasses On 11/27/2012 5:18 PM, Dan Minette wrote: Really cheap

Re: Power and civilization

2012-11-29 Thread John Garcia
I'm reading John Varley's Slow Apocalypse. The premise is that all un-processed petroleum is destroyed by an act of bio-terrorism. In the middle of it right now, but so far it's scaring the spit out of me. john On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:26 PM, medieva...@aol.com wrote: ** Twas in Last And

RE: Power and civilization

2012-11-29 Thread Dan Minette
The measure of a civilization could be said to be it's consumption of energy and how it uses resources. Conspicuous v. sustainable... At what point was civilization sustainable without depending on unknowable innovations in the future? It would have to be before steel, because blacksmithing

RE: Power and civilization

2012-11-29 Thread Pat Mathews
John Barnes' Directive 51 went it one better - ALL petroleum and petroleum products. It did devolve into the question of whether it was a centrally organized conspiracy, preferably from abroad, or a spontaneous movement; in fact, the entire US splits over that question, thanks to a

Re: Power and civilization

2012-11-29 Thread John Garcia
I'm picking up Directive 51 from the NY Public Library in the next day or two. On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Pat Mathews mathew...@msn.com wrote: John Barnes' Directive 51 went it one better - ALL petroleum and petroleum products. It did devolve into the question of whether it was a

Power and civilization

2012-11-29 Thread Jon Louis Mann
The measure of a civilization could be said to be its consumption of energy and how it uses resources.  Conspicuous v. sustainable...  Jon From: medieva...@aol.com Twas in Last And First Men, by Olaf Stapledon, I think, where all future  civilizations had their power based upon

RE: Power and civilization

2012-11-29 Thread Dan Minette
-Original Message- From: brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com [mailto:brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com] On Behalf Of Jon Louis Mann Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 7:47 PM To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Power and civilization The measure of a civilization could be said to be its consumption of