> it didn't matter that much what government policies were,
> eventually we were going to come to this bubble burst one
> way or the other.
> Why this death spiral was not being discussed years ago is
> beyond me. Perhaps it is similar to an economic singularity.
>No one could see what was on
On 11/15/2008 11:43:53 PM, John Williams ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Rceeberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > Since market information is not filtered through the government
> but through
> > the market itself, exactly how does that work?
>
> Exactly how do
>> Since market information is not filtered through the government but through
>> the market itself, exactly how does that work?
> Exactly how does what work? Government regulation? Not very well.
But evidently better than none, or as it was - the pretence of self
regulation.
Investment manager
> I'm sure that is all quite true, but I think it begins earlier.
> (Please correct me if I get the facts wrong here)
It's not just about home mortgages, it just happens that's the bubble
that revealed the weakness - if not for that some other, all multiple,
markets would have bubbled and burst a
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Rceeberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Since market information is not filtered through the government but through
> the market itself, exactly how does that work?
Exactly how does what work? Government regulation? Not very well.
_
On 11/15/2008 11:00:14 PM, John Williams ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 8:36 PM, Rceeberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > It is that subjects where the volume of knowledge is large and my
> own
> > understanding is limited are not subjects where I pretend to have an
> op
On 11/15/2008 10:35:11 PM, Euan Ritchie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > Surely you can give a single example to support your claim that Bush
> > deregulation was responsible for the "subprime mortgage crisis".
>
> It's fairly obvious it all began with private investment banks going
> public in the
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 8:36 PM, Rceeberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It is that subjects where the volume of knowledge is large and my own
> understanding is limited are not subjects where I pretend to have an opinion
> that can be taken as fact,
As I said, I got it in number 1.
> So.you
On 11/15/2008 7:50:42 PM, John Williams ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Rceeberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > Then, one must also consider that I have no expertise in this
> subject, just
> > some observations based on what I know from the news and the experie
> Surely you can give a single example to support your claim that Bush
> deregulation was responsible for the "subprime mortgage crisis".
It's fairly obvious it all began with private investment banks going
public in the 1980's and shifting liabilities onto shareholders.
Since then it's been a
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Ronn! Blankenship <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> History and myth also show that the one thing which is much worse
> than a prognosticator whose predictions are unreliable is one whose
> predictions are 100% accurate.
A member of Congress once pointed that out
At 05:48 PM Saturday 11/15/2008, Jon Louis Mann wrote:
> > > Did you make any posts predicting the
> > housing crisis before, say, 2004?
>
> > I did. Unfortunately, I can't find the post
> > where I predicted it. But I always predict
> > disasters, so it's not surprising that
> > sometimes I'm righ
At 06:03 PM Saturday 11/15/2008, Jon Louis Mann wrote:
>the bush administration is largely responsible
>for the current economic meltdown.
Things that happened under the Bush administration may have served
the function of "the straw that broke the camel's back" wrt the
current situation, but i
At 06:54 PM Saturday 11/15/2008, Rceeberger wrote:
>It is such cynical and sarcastic statements that makes you appear to run
>"Asshole" as a native app.
I've told people that in the same way Micro$oft claimed IE is an
integral part of Windows that cannot be removed or disabled without
render
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Rceeberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Then, one must also consider that I have no expertise in this subject, just
> some observations based on what I know from the news and the experiences of
> people I know. I try not to start such a conversation, laden with ign
On 11/15/2008 2:40:44 PM, John Williams ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Rceeberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > On 11/15/2008 11:55:20 AM, John Williams ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> wrote:
> >
> >> Did you make any posts predicting the housing crisis before, say,
>
> I know, you wanted to compete on "credentials"
> rather than putting
> your money where your mouth (or other parts of your
> anatomy) is. I
> realize it is much easier to put other people's money
> on the line with
> one's predictions than one's own. I don't blame
> you for not risking
> your own
> the reason you did not post is one of these:
> 1) You were not certain enough of your prediction
> to risk that other people might act on it.
> 2) You did not care enough to help others with
> your insight. Or perhaps none of the above.
you ain't no nice guy, "john williams".
> > so you admit you don't have any facts, AND that
> the bush administration played a role in the "subprime
> mortgage crisis"...
> Surely you can give a single example to
> support your claim that Bush deregulation
> was responsible for the "subprime mortgage
> crisis".
tch, tch, there you g
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 1:40 PM, John Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>>
>> You want a pissing contest, do you?
>
>
> Hardly. That's not an accurate description of my invitation to you.
I know, you wanted to compete on
> > You want a pissing contest, do you?
> Hardly. That's not an accurate description
> of my invitation.
> Nick
in other words, he knows he would
lose if he accepted your challenge.
so, any good stock tips?
jon
___
http://www.mccmedia.com/
> > Did you make any posts predicting the
> housing crisis before, say, 2004?
> I did. Unfortunately, I can't find the post
> where I predicted it. But I always predict
> disasters, so it's not surprising that
> sometimes I'm right.
> Cassandra Monteiro
Cassandra's beauty caused Apollo to gr
John Williams wrote:
>
> Did you make any posts predicting the housing crisis before, say,
> 2004?
>
I did. Unfortunately, I can't find the post where I predicted it.
But I always predict disasters, so it's not surprising that
sometimes I'm right.
Cassandra Monteiro
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 1:40 PM, John Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> You want a pissing contest, do you?
Hardly. That's not an accurate description of my invitation to you.
Nick
___
http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 12:34 PM, John Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>>
>> Of course it is! All sorts of people predict all sorts of things. The
>> only ones worth listening to are the ones who have a track record of
>
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 12:34 PM, John Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> Of course it is! All sorts of people predict all sorts of things. The
> only ones worth listening to are the ones who have a track record of
> being consistently right.
If that were true, no market research company wou
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Jon Louis Mann
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> so you admit you don't have any facts, AND that the bush administration
> played a role in the "subprime mortgage crisis"...
Surely you can give a single example to support your claim that Bush
deregulation was respons
> > what facts? after all this back and forth are you
> still in denial the bush administration was largely
> responsible for the "subprime mortgage crisis"?
>> LOL
so you admit you don't have any facts, AND that the bush administration played
a role in the "subprime mortgage crisis"...
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Rceeberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 11/15/2008 11:55:20 AM, John Williams ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
>> Did you make any posts predicting the housing crisis before, say,
>> 2004?
>
> I don't recall having posted about this onlist, but it has been on my m
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 9:55 AM, John Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> There have been many warnings and predictions;
That is a problem!
> consistency in predictions is not a precondition for learning and acting.
O
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Jon Louis Mann
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Don't let the facts get in the
>> way of a good piece of fiction!
>
> what facts? after all this back and forth are you still in denial thbush
> administration was largely responsible for the "subprime mortgage crisis
On 11/15/2008 11:55:20 AM, John Williams ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Did you make any posts predicting the housing crisis before, say,
> 2004?
I don't recall having posted about this onlist, but it has been on my mind
for a few years as being a serious problem w/consequences.
What got me thin
> > what facts? after all this back and forth are you
> still in denial the bush administration was largely
> > responsible for the "subprime mortgage crisis"?
> That seems like a reasonable denial to me. It goes back
> to the early 1980s. But that doesn't excuse the failure
> to act, which
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Jon Louis Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> > Don't let the facts get in the
> > way of a good piece of fiction!
>
> what facts? after all this back and forth are you still in denial thbush
> administration was largely responsible for the "subprime mortgage crisi
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 9:55 AM, John Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> Actually, bad government regulation contributed to all of those, Dems and
> Reps
> both. And no one has consistently predicted such things. You can't
> preempt what you can't predict.
There have been many warnings and p
> Don't let the facts get in the
> way of a good piece of fiction!
what facts? after all this back and forth are you still in denial thbush
administration was largely responsible for the "subprime mortgage crisis"?
___
http://www.mccmedia.co
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 8:51 AM, Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's the thinking that gave us the S&L collapses, the Keating
> Five, the sub-prime crisis, etc.
Actually, bad government regulation contributed to all of those, Dems and Reps
both. And no one has consistently predicted
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Ronn! Blankenship <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Or those doctors who when they can't find a clear answer in five
> minutes* announce that the problem is all in the patient's head ...
Yeah, that's what they said about Dave Land's brain tumor -- it was all in
his
At 10:51 AM Saturday 11/15/2008, Nick Arnett wrote:
>Only the
>hardest-hearted would argue that people choose to have medical problems.
Or those doctors who when they can't find a clear answer in five
minutes* announce that the problem is all in the patient's head and
hand out anti-depressan
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:21 PM, John Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> I would have liked to see an example of Bush's deregulation.
> Unfortunately, Bush was largely responsible for increasing government
> spending and government interference. I forgot where I heard it, but
> the joke is tha
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Jon Louis Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> His policies of lowering taxes for the rich, and especially deregulation
> were to blame. > In fact, I can't think of a single ...
...act of deregulation from Bush that was responsible for the
"subprime mortgage crisi
At 05:57 PM Friday 11/14/2008, Jon Louis Mann wrote:
>i've given you all the answer you are going to get, so pick all the
>nits you wish. if you can't even attempt to answer ANY of my
>questions, then why don't you tell me who or what you think led to
>the subprime mortgage crisis.
Greed.
> Okay. So we can agree that there are no examples of
> Bush's deregulation that were responsible for the
> "subprime mortgage crisis".
Nope...
The only thing we agree on is that Bush was responsible for incredibly out of
control deficit spending for a war that killed thousands of Americans and
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Jon Louis Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> i've given you all the answer you are going to get,
Okay. So we can agree that there are no examples of Bush's
deregulation that were responsible for the "subprime mortgage crisis".
I would have liked to see an example
> > i told you, i'm not playing this game any more,
> No game to play, just a simple question to
> answer. The statement that Bush's deregulation
> was responsible for the subprime mortgage crisis
> is apparently unsupportable, since you have been
> unable to supply a single example of deregula
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 8:36 PM, Jon Louis Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Which minions, and what deregulation are you referring to?
>
> i told you, i'm not playing this game any more,
No game to play, just a simple question to answer. The statement that
Bush's deregulation was responsible for
> Which minions, and what deregulation are you referring to?
i told you, i'm not playing this game any more, until you answer my questions.
you ask questions to bait and to antagonize. any answer i give only lead to
another question. we are all quite familiar with your tactics to avoid,
distr
47 matches
Mail list logo
