Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
There was a short-lived movement to replace the GOTO with a new statement,
COMEFROM, but for some reason it never caught on . . .
I have a copy of the COMEFROM article somewhere. If I can find it, I get
it to you. Are we allowed to send attachments on this list?
Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo Wrote:
Spaghetti code was a very negative thing to have written on your
assignment. Heard of Lasagna Code? I'm not kidding.
George A
What was lasagna code? That's an interesting term.
It was structure code carried to an extreme. It was so filled with nested
For,
G. D. Akin wrote:
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
There was a short-lived movement to replace the GOTO with a new statement,
COMEFROM, but for some reason it never caught on . . .
I have a copy of the COMEFROM article somewhere. If I can find it, I get
it to you. Are we allowed to send
From: Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ahh, GOTO. I remember what a big deal it was when they installed a new
version of BASIC at the high school I was attending at the time, and it had
two brand new commands (new for us, anyway); GOSUB and RETURN. The
programming teachers immediately
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
GOTO was the reason my father would not let me take programming in high
school; all the programming classes were BASIC, except that if you'd had 2
courses of BASIC, you could then take Pascal. I didn't get to take a
programming class until I could have one
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From: G. D. Akin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Especially
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Ahh, GOTO. I remember what a
On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 10:46:07AM +, Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo wrote:
Our curriculum leading up to the College Board's Computer Sciences
AP Exam was more or less formatted the same way, up until about 3 or
4 years ago. Then they switched BASIC to PASCAL, and C would be the
ultimate objective
From: G. D. Akin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
GOTO as well. Anybody remember the term spaghetti code?
JJ
An how. My instructors had no qualms about GOTOs in languages that had no
other way to implement the standard control structure. However, they had
BIG qualms about the uncontrolled use of GOTOs.
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
That's odd. I took Computer Science AP in 1988 and we used Pascal. Is
your AP Exam different than ours (mainland US)? Or did it switch from
Pascal to BASIC and back after I took it?
That's odd indeed. I remember when I started teaching (late 80's) when
BASIC
On Tue Mar 4 18:42:38 PST 2003, Reggie Bautista wrote:
Han Tacoma wrote:
On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 21:32:36 -0600 Reggie Bautista gives me a well
deserved lecture about the list's netiquette:
[...snip...]
I wasn't trying to lecture, just inform :-)
Just jesting, thanks though :-)
[...snip...]
From: Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I remember clearly how much of a big NONO our programming
teachers made with
GOTO as well. Anybody remember the term spaghetti code?
When they banned GOTO, I showed 'em! I changed all my code to just say
GO!
- jmh
Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo wrote:
I remember clearly how much of a big NONO our programming teachers
made with GOTO as well. Anybody remember the term spaghetti code?
The term takes on a whole new meaning in LabView wherein poor code
literally looks like spaghetti.
Doug
GSV State Machine
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From: Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
And
From: G. D. Akin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Especially
Basic that has all the control structures to allow full structured
programming and modern programming techniques. Which VB
certainly does.
Perhaps you should have said BASIC now has all the control
structures . .
D'oh! There was
Han Tacoma wrote:
On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 21:32:36 -0600 Reggie Bautista gives me a well
deserved lecture about the list's netiquette:
Usually on this list, if the post is going to be long we add L3, LLL, or
ELL
to the subject heading. L3 and LLL are Lazh-Like Length and ELL is
[...snip...]
I
George wrote:
In my first programming course, in BASIC, we had to simulate control
structures with the controlled use of IF ... GOTO.
Ahh, GOTO. I remember what a big deal it was when they installed a new
version of BASIC at the high school I was attending at the time, and it had
two brand
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 6:47 PM
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George wrote:
In my first programming course, in BASIC, we had to simulate
Nick Arnett wrote:
TBL is a very fine person. I miss talking regularly to him;
his ideas about the semantic web fascinate me. Somewhere on
a brin-l page is a lousy picture of us inside Paris city hall.
http://www.sloan3d.com/cgi-bin/memberpix.cgi?person=nickarnettpic=nick_tbl.jpg
:-)
Reggie Bautista wrote:
George wrote:
In my first programming course, in BASIC, we had to simulate control
structures with the controlled use of IF ... GOTO.
Ahh, GOTO. I remember what a big deal it was when they installed a new
version of BASIC at the high school I was attending at the
On Tue, 4 Mar 2003, Reggie Bautista wrote:
Ahh, GOTO. I remember what a big deal it was when they installed a new
version of BASIC at the high school I was attending at the time, and it had
two brand new commands (new for us, anyway); GOSUB and RETURN. The
programming teachers
On Monday, March 3, 2003, at 03:20 pm, Nick Arnett wrote:
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Behalf Of William T Goodall
...
I think the 'basic' part of the name in VB and RB is more about
sounding unscary to non-CS graduates than about indicating
Han Tacoma wrote:
be forewarned, this may be considered long, or very long by some
Usually on this list, if the post is going to be long we add L3, LLL, or ELL
to the subject heading. L3 and LLL are Lazh-Like Length and ELL is
Eythain-Like Length, both in tribute to an old list member named
From: Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
And speaking of languages, is it me, or is BASIC making a
comeback of sorts?
There's nothing wrong with Basic, just a bad choice of names. Especially
Basic that has all the control structures to allow full structured
programming and
On Sat, Mar 01, 2003 at 11:24:59AM -0800, Nick Arnett wrote:
boxes. Though I would have loved to have had the work, I couldn't honestly
come up with a strategy that made sense. Neither could anyone else,
apparently, so Sun steered it in the direction it has gone.
There's a platform - MHP, I
On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 23:16:15 -0600, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
Anyone want to comment here on APL?
I would love to but don't I need a special keyboard? :)
Dean
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From: Reggie Bautista [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I stand corrected. Let me rephrase. When I first heard
about Java, it was
in an article that described it as a language where you could write a
program once and compile it anywhere, so as to help narrow
the software gap
between Windows
On Fri, Feb 28, 2003 at 10:27:37PM -0600, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
All I was saying is that some people are always going to criticize
whoever's at the top simply because they are on top.
Sure, but that assumes that Java's at the top, which I'm not convinced by.
Certainly it's only appeared in
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Behalf Of Paul Walker
...
Sure, but that assumes that Java's at the top, which I'm not convinced by.
Certainly it's only appeared in a couple of the job descriptions
I've looked
at recently; C, C++, and Python
I wrote:
Given the fact that Java was originally intended in part as a
tool to break
Micro$oft's dominance of the industry, the irony of that is just
staggering...
Nick replied:
Eh? Java was originally intended as a set-top box programming language --
a
way to distribute multimedia software
On Sat, Mar 01, 2003 at 04:22:33PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
I'll take natural stupidity over artificial intelligence any day.
Well, it depends on the contest, doesn't it? I'd take natural stupidity
on, say, interpreting what someone means in a given context, but I'd
take AI in a chess match,
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Reggie Bautista
...
I stand corrected. Let me rephrase. When I first heard about
Java, it was
in an article that described it as a language where you could write a
program once and compile it
From: Han Tacoma [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello,
I'll focus on Getting to know you.
Just joined the list and got caught up in this thread,
nostalgia suddenly waking up in me.
Han:
Welcome aboard. Have fun!! :)
JJ
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Protect your PC - get
Ronn!: wrote
Since this seems to have turned into post your resume:
Note really post your resume, but Getting to know you.
George A
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Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
Anyone want to comment here on APL?
I was forced to take an APL course in college as part of NJIT's Statistics and
Actuarial Science program at the time. I can't say that I remember much about it; it
was an introductory course. I don't recall caring for it all that
On Fri, Feb 28, 2003 at 08:10:57PM -0600, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
BD?
Imagining Whips And Chains In The Computer Room Maru
Mm, kind of.
http://www.jargonfile.com/jargon/html/entry/bondage-and-discipline-language.html
--
Paul
I make movies that nobody will see. I've made movies that even I
On Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 02:10 am, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 02:32 PM 2/26/03 +, William T Goodall wrote:
I much prefer C to Pascal. Or Modula-2 or Ada or any of those other
BD languages.
BD?
Imagining Whips And Chains In The Computer Room Maru
From The new Hackers Dictionary Ed
Nick wrote:
Java is also the most widely used programming language in the world. What
the heck is so evil about it?
Ronn! replied:
For some, that is sufficient reason to consider it evil, just as M$ is
considered evil because of its industry dominance.
Given the fact that Java was originally
Nick wrote:
Java is also the most widely used programming language in the world.
What
the heck is so evil about it?
Ronn! replied:
For some, that is sufficient reason to consider it evil, just as M$ is
considered evil because of its industry dominance.
I responded:
Given the fact that Java was
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 08:31 PM 2/28/03 -0500, Jim Sharkey wrote:
I was forced to take an APL course in college as part of NJIT's Statistics
and Actuarial Science program at the time. I can't say that I remember
much about it; it was an introductory course. I don't recall caring for
it
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Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 12:25 PM
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At 08:31 PM 2/28/03 -0500, Jim Sharkey wrote:
Ronn
Somebody wrote:
Anyone want to comment here on APL?
Someone else replied:
Concise, is how I have heard it described.
And someone else said:
Indecipherable.
Ronn! responded:
But that's part of its appeal: to be able to write a working program which
on paper looks like what would result if a
The Fool said:
Java is the spawn of satan, the ultimate evil.
Cambridge University's Computer Laboratory now teach Java as their
introductory language. What do you think of that? (When I did my
postgrad diploma there they taught us Modula-3 first, then ML, then C,
Java and Prolog.)
Get a
From: Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Fool said:
Java is the spawn of satan, the ultimate evil.
Cambridge University's Computer Laboratory now teach Java as their
introductory language. What do you think of that? (When I did my
postgrad diploma there they taught us Modula-3 first,
On 27 Feb 2003 at 3:37, The Fool wrote:
From: Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Fool said:
Java is the spawn of satan, the ultimate evil.
Cambridge University's Computer Laboratory now teach Java as their
introductory language. What do you think of that? (When I did my
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Richard Baker
...
Java is the spawn of satan, the ultimate evil.
Cambridge University's Computer Laboratory now teach Java as their
introductory language. What do you think of that? (When I did my
On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 07:50:43AM -0800, Nick Arnett wrote:
And why isn't anyone singing the praises of Python in this thread?!
I did! Kind of.
to be finished quickly. Java makes sense for enterprise projects that need
to be deployed widely.
And isn't too speed critical :)
C and C++
From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Richard Baker
...
Java is the spawn of satan, the ultimate evil.
Cambridge University's Computer Laboratory now teach Java as their
introductory
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
to understand what the code is doing. Properly formatted,
languages with _less_ symbols are more clear. I like,
for example, to compare C with Pascal.
Sure, I'd agree with that one. But then if you take, say, C and Python... even if
people don't know the language
Paul said:
Sure, I'd agree with that one. But then if you take, say, C and
Python... even if people don't know the language as such, anyone
reading a Python program stands a very good chance of understanding
what the code is doing.
I think the primary determinant of code readability isn't
On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 11:14 am, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
I feel I can exercise a lot more control with a
computer programming language that uses instructions
that resemble natural language.
When my wife was doing a two-year computing course she had to learn
COBOL. I'd never used
From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:32:34 +
When my wife was doing a two-year computing course she had to learn COBOL.
I'd never used COBOL, and when I saw it I found it close to
incomprehensible.
You have to agree, though, that the *mother* of all
On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 02:51:48PM +, Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo wrote:
You have to agree, though, that the *mother* of all incomprehensible
programming languages has to be Assembly language.
No, I disagree, seriously. Assembly language was the easiest language I
have learned. Tedious to use, but
On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 03:19 pm, Erik Reuter wrote:
On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 02:51:48PM +, Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo wrote:
You have to agree, though, that the *mother* of all incomprehensible
programming languages has to be Assembly language.
No, no, no, that has to be Prolog...
No,
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No, I disagree, seriously. Assembly language was the easiest language I
have learned. Tedious to use, but easy to understand. It followed what
was going on in the CPU in a straightforward manner, little abstraction.
True, Assembler is a very powerful tool. To
On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 12:39:43PM +, Richard Baker wrote:
I think the primary determinant of code readability isn't the language
but the choice of variable and function names. I think that with a wise
While you're right, some languages tend to encourage clean code more than
others. C and
On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 01:06:39PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
Out of curiosity, have you ever tried to debug someone else's massive
assembly code?
No. I think we are considering different things. I agree that would be difficult
in assembly unless the original programmer did an extremely good job
Paul said:
While you're right, some languages tend to encourage clean code more
than others. C and Perl can both be incredibly terse, for example, and
there's a tendency for advanced users to write code which can't be
understood by anybody - including themselves six months later.
That's
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 02:51:48PM +, Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo wrote:
You have to agree, though, that the *mother* of all incomprehensible
programming languages has to be Assembly language.
No, I disagree, seriously. Assembly language was the easiest
The Fool wrote:
There are less C keywords than ASM instructions. Simple is always
better.
c:
[short code sample snipped]
asm:
[longer but equivalent code sample snipped]
Just out of curiosity -- once these examples are both compiled, will they
take up an equivalent amount of space and/or take
From: Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Fool wrote:
There are less C keywords than ASM instructions. Simple is always
better.
c:
[short code sample snipped]
asm:
[longer but equivalent code sample snipped]
Just out of curiosity -- once these examples are both compiled, will
On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 05:19:17PM -0600, Reggie Bautista wrote:
Just out of curiosity -- once these examples are both compiled, will they
take up an equivalent amount of space and/or take an equivalent amount of
time to run?
These days, generally the version produced by the compiler will be
From: Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Computer Languages [was: Your Favorite SciFi/Fantasy Movie
Soundtrack?]
Date: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 7:09 PM
I wrote:
Just out of curiosity -- once these examples are both compiled, will
they
take up
Reggie Bautista wrote:
I haven't done much coding in... I guess it's been at least ten years. I'm
just getting back into it now, and have another question for you or anyone
else. Assuming that I am going to learn both C++ and Java, which would you
recommend learning first? I have previous
The Fool wrote:
From somewhere:
With the proliferation of modern programming languages which seem to have
stolen countless features from each other sometimes makes it difficult to
select a which language appropriate for your task. This guide is offered
as a public service to help
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