Reggie Bautista wrote:
You know, since I've started (re-)learning programming,
I've been looking for logic problems like that to push
me to apply what I'm learning... I'll
let you know how it turns out :-)
Alberto replied:
Don't!!! My program that I wrote to handle genealogies
On 24 Mar 2003 at 22:29, Julia Thompson wrote:
So your second cousin, twice removed, would be either your father
or mother's cousin's great-grandchild or their great-grandparent).
Clear as mud?
That's not the way we ever accounted for cousins. My mothers cousins
were always
his parents were 1st cousins
once removed. AFAIK, this is the closest thing to
incest in my [or my wife's] ancestry.
This would make me my own 5th cousin once removed,
so I beat you by 1/2 generation :-P
Alberto Monteiro
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Reggie Bautista wrote:
You know, since I've started (re-)learning programming,
I've been looking for logic problems like that to push
me to apply what I'm learning... I'll
let you know how it turns out :-)
Don't!!! My program that I wrote to handle genealogies
has degenerated so
Andrew Crystall wrote:
There's a HUGE database of Jewish genealogy in Tel Aviv.
Any free and simple way to access them? I am curious
about some Monteiro that was mentioned by a friend,
who was a jew forced into Christianity back in the
old days of Portuguese inquisition
Alberto
From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Incest
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 17:00:51 -0300 (EST)
Andrew Crystall wrote:
There's a HUGE database of Jewish genealogy in Tel Aviv.
Any free
Jon wrote:
Jon
Londo: Yes, you can help me. Two hours ago. Two hours ago I called you. I
told you that there is... a bug, an insect in my quarters.
Maintenance Worker: Well, we've been a little busy.
Londo: Now, listen to me. I do not like insects. I do not like little
brown things with eight
Jon Gabriel wrote:
Out of curiosity, I looked it up.
https://www.bh.org.il/General/queryform.asp?gen
Simple, yes. Free, no.
:-)
I will refrain from making a joke with jews and money -
after all, I am probably 25% to 50% jew myself :-)
Alberto Monteiro
From: Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Evolutionary Misconceptions (was re: Incest)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 15:27:36 -0600
Jon wrote:
Jon
Londo: Yes, you can help me. Two hours ago. Two hours ago I called you. I
told
Andrew Crystall wrote:
On 24 Mar 2003 at 22:29, Julia Thompson wrote:
So your second cousin, twice removed, would be either your father
or mother's cousin's great-grandchild or their great-grandparent).
Clear as mud?
That's not the way we ever accounted for cousins. My
Jon wrote:
Londo: Yes, you can help me. Two hours ago. Two hours ago I called you.
I told you that there is... a bug, an insect in my quarters.
[snip]
I replied:
Quoting from memory...
[snip]
I have to kill it before it develops language skills...
Jon replied:
*grin*
I loved this episode. :-)
*huge grin* Loved that one, too. :)
Had to look this up:
Londo There you see! I am going to live.
G'kar: So it would seem. Well, it is an imperfect universe.
Londo: Bastard.
G'kar: Monster.
Londo: Fanatic.
G'kar: Murderer.
Londo: You are insane!
G'kar: And that is why we'll win.
Londo: Go be
On 25 Mar 2003 at 17:00, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Andrew Crystall wrote:
There's a HUGE database of Jewish genealogy in Tel Aviv.
Any free and simple way to access them? I am curious
about some Monteiro that was mentioned by a friend,
who was a jew forced into Christianity back in
On 25 Mar 2003 at 21:37, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Jon Gabriel wrote:
Out of curiosity, I looked it up.
https://www.bh.org.il/General/queryform.asp?gen
Simple, yes. Free, no.
:-)
I will refrain from making a joke with jews and money -
after all, I am probably 25% to 50% jew myself
Reggie Bautista wrote:
And from earlier in the episode:
Londo: We're in here!! Can anyone hear us!?
G'Kar: I hear you. (laughs)
Londo: In here!!
G'Kar: (mimicking) We're in here. (laughs giddily)
*That* is my favorite sequence in that episode. (Although there are so
many to choose
- Original Message -
From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: Incest
Andrew Crystall wrote:
There's a HUGE database of Jewish genealogy in Tel Aviv.
Any free and simple way to access
At 05:48 PM 3/25/03 -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote:
Londo: But this -- this, this, this is like being nibbled to death by...
what are those Earth creatures called? Feathers, long bill, webbed feet ..
go 'quack' ..
Vir: Cats.
Londo: Cats. I'm being nibbled to death by cats.
The problem is that
At 06:17 PM 3/25/03 -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote:
wait a minute
something's wrong
he's a man with a plan
his finger is pointed at Brin-L
But which finger is it?
-- Ronn! :)
God bless America,
Land that I love!
Stand beside her, and guide her
Thru the night with a light from above.
From
I wrote:
You know, since I've started (re-)learning programming,
I've been looking for logic problems like that to push
me to apply what I'm learning... I'll
let you know how it turns out :-)
Alberto replied:
Don't!!! My program that I wrote to handle genealogies
has degenerated so much that
William T Goodall wrote:
On Monday, March 24, 2003, at 01:22 am, Dan Minette wrote:
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Incest
by itself is something that, if consensual, doesn't cause direct harm to
anyone.
That is probably the wost ignorant statement I've seen you write.
The rules
Dan said:
If you are right, virtually everyone who works with incest victims
and survivors is wrong.
I'm in no way defending incest, but your use of victims and
survivors here is introducing a selection effect. As well as the
people who've engaged in incest and had very bad consequences
William T Goodall wrote:
On the other hand modern western serial
monogamy (and adoption) can lead to baffling cases. 25-year-old widow
of 60-year-old starts relationship with his estranged 35-year-old
son...[1][2]
OTOH, I think (1/4)-siblings are allowed everywhere to marry, creating
- Original Message -
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: Incest
I still don't think you understood what I wrote. Would you care to tell
me specifically where you think I wrote ignorantly
William T Goodall wrote:
And I'm not even sure what a second cousin twice removed is...
If your father and my father were brothers, you and I would be cousins
(first cousins). If you had a son and I had a son, our sons would be second
cousins of each other, and your son would be my first
From: J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Incest
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 21:46:51 +0100
At 15:15 24-03-03 -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote:
All together now: Many many years ago when I was twenty three
At 15:55 24-03-03 -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote:
BTW, for those interested in the full text of the Many many years
ago... joke, see
http://pages.stern.nyu.edu/~cperlich/areisz/humour/Familyties.htm.
Thanks for that. :) It's actually a song. I could probably dig up an MP3
somewhere given enough
On Monday, March 24, 2003, at 08:05 pm, Reggie Bautista wrote:
William T Goodall wrote:
And I'm not even sure what a second cousin twice removed is...
snip
So your second cousin, twice removed, would be either your father or
mother's cousin's great-grandchild or their great-grandparent).
In a message dated 3/24/2003 4:42:33 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Clear as mud?
As mud indeed!
That's Wednesday!
William Taylor
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- Original Message -
From: Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: Incest
William T Goodall wrote:
And I'm not even sure what a second cousin twice removed is...
If your father and my father were brothers, you and I
William T Goodall wrote:
And I'm not even sure what a second cousin twice removed is...
I replied:
If your father and my father were brothers, you and I would be cousins
(first cousins). If you had a son and I had a son, our sons would be
second cousins of each other, and your son would be my
--- Ticia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snippage
Exactly. The discussion arose over confusion over
the term incest. In the
biological sense it simply means sex with a close
relation, to be avoided
due to hightened risk of genetic problems. When
breeding domesticated
animals (eg dogs or cows
William T Goodall wrote:
And I'm not even sure what a second cousin twice removed is...
I replied:
[snip]
So your second cousin, twice removed, would be either your father or
mother's cousin's great-grandchild or their great-grandparent).
Jon responded:
Wasn't this a Heinlein plot?
Sheesh.
I
- Original Message -
From: Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: Incest
William T Goodall wrote:
And I'm not even sure what a second cousin twice removed is...
I replied:
[snip]
So your second cousin, twice
Robert Seeberger wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: Incest
So your second cousin, twice removed, would be either your father or
mother's cousin's great-grandchild
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
Behalf Of Dan Minette
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 11:22 PM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: Re: Incest
- Original Message -
From: Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 10:04
Julia wrote:
If you get a genealogy program and enter various family members, including
all the common ancestors, it ought to have something to list the relation
of you to everyone else in the database. :)
You know, since I've started (re-)learning programming, I've been looking
for logic
- Original Message -
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: From Justice Scalia, a Chilling Vision of Religion's Authority
in America
You've brought up 2 issues here: incest and rights
On Sun, Mar 23, 2003 at 07:22:05PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
That is probably the wost ignorant statement I've seen you write.
I've noticed you frequently become irrational on issues that are very
emotional for you. It is a weakness.
--
Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: Incest
On Sun, Mar 23, 2003 at 07:22:05PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
That is probably the wost ignorant statement I've seen you write
- Original Message -
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: Incest
On Sun, Mar 23, 2003 at 07:22:05PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
That is probably the wost ignorant statement I've seen you write
On Sun, Mar 23, 2003 at 07:32:39PM -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote:
No, Dan is correct. I suggest that you have not correctly assessed
all the parameters involved in incest or you need to qualify your
statement.
No, you are both wrong.
I did qualify it. I explained what I meant by consensual
On Sun, Mar 23, 2003 at 07:41:27PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
What books on incest, besides Heinlein's, have you read? How much
have you talked with psychotherapists who work in that field?
Before you go off all half-cocked, maybe you might like to read what I
wrote and make sure you
- Original Message -
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: Incest
On Sun, Mar 23, 2003 at 07:32:39PM -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote:
No, Dan is correct. I suggest that you have not correctly
On Sun, Mar 23, 2003 at 07:49:39PM -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote:
If you mean immediate harm, I would agree, but since the direct
relationship between the individuals will suffer in the long term, I
would still disagree with your statement.
I don't think it is worthwhile to speculate on all
- Original Message -
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: Incest
On Sun, Mar 23, 2003 at 07:32:39PM -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote:
No, Dan is correct. I suggest that you have not correctly
- Original Message -
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: Incest
On Sun, Mar 23, 2003 at 07:49:39PM -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote:
If you mean immediate harm, I would agree, but since
On Sun, Mar 23, 2003 at 08:05:16PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
I read what you wrote. Incest, even with someone who is not a parent
causes harm that is disporportional to any harm caused by consensual
sex with a non-related partner. Incest is not about sexual desires.
When it is brother
On Sun, Mar 23, 2003 at 08:10:14PM -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote:
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I don't think it is worthwhile to speculate on all the indirect,
delayed possibilities that could conceivably occur. If you did, you
would never have sex at all since that is always a
You've brought up 2 issues here: incest and rights of children.
Two quite different issues.
Incest
by itself is something that, if consensual, doesn't cause direct harm
to
anyone.
That is probably the wost ignorant statement I've seen you write.
The rules of consanguinity (or prohibited degrees
On Sun, Mar 23, 2003 at 08:39:41PM -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote:
You sure you are not a Scientologist?
Yes.
--
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- Original Message -
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: Incest
On Sun, Mar 23, 2003 at 08:10:14PM -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote:
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I don't think
Dan Minette wrote:
What books on incest, besides Heinlein's, have you read?
Gor?
Alberto Monteiro
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On Monday, March 24, 2003, at 03:08 am, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Dan Minette wrote:
What books on incest, besides Heinlein's, have you read?
Gor?
I don't think there is any incest in those. Rape-racks, branding irons,
floggings, torture - if there was an incest plot it was borrowed from
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