On 03/10/2007, at 11:07 AM, Dan Minettte wrote:
u
Yep. I'm still wondering what bits of London are 20 mins apart by car
and hours apart by public transport (apart from at 3am, at which time
most of London is 20 mins by car and unreachable at all by public
transport...).
I thought it would
On 30/09/2007, at 8:50 PM, Gary Nunn wrote:
Holy Cow!!
I make a post and step away for a few weeks and find this topic ran
rampant
- and I missed it!
Yep. I'm still wondering what bits of London are 20 mins apart by car
and hours apart by public transport (apart from at 3am, at
At 09:25 AM Tuesday 10/2/2007, Charlie Bell wrote:
On 30/09/2007, at 8:50 PM, Gary Nunn wrote:
Holy Cow!!
I make a post and step away for a few weeks and find this topic ran
rampant
- and I missed it!
Yep. I'm still wondering what bits of London are 20 mins apart by car
and hours
On Tue, 2 Oct 2007, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
Yes, hypothetically you could take along a bicycle but at least here
according to the policies sometimes printed on bus schedules and posted
at the terminal and inside buses bicycles must be loaded on to a rack on
the outside of the bus and
On 2 Oct 2007, at 22:38, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
At 09:25 AM Tuesday 10/2/2007, Charlie Bell wrote:
On 30/09/2007, at 8:50 PM, Gary Nunn wrote:
Holy Cow!!
I make a post and step away for a few weeks and find this topic ran
rampant
- and I missed it!
Yep. I'm still wondering what
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Charlie Bell
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 9:25 AM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: Re: Car free London?
On 30/09/2007, at 8:50 PM, Gary Nunn wrote:
Holy Cow!!
I make a post
On Tuesday 2007-10-02 17:11, William T Goodall wrote:
On 2 Oct 2007, at 22:38, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
At 09:25 AM Tuesday 10/2/2007, Charlie Bell wrote:
On 30/09/2007, at 8:50 PM, Gary Nunn wrote:
Holy Cow!!
I make a post and step away for a few weeks and find this topic ran
rampant
At 07:11 PM Tuesday 10/2/2007, William T Goodall wrote:
Sounds like your public transport is designed by people who want to
discredit public transport.
But at least the lead story on the local news today there was an
announcement that they are raising the fare . . .
-- Ronn! :)
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dave Land
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 7:34 PM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: Re: Car free London?
On Sep 17, 2007, at 9:21 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
At 09:34 AM Monday 9/17/2007, Nick Arnett wrote:
My commute varies tremendously. Sometimes I
- Original Message -
From: Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: Car free London?
On 18/09/2007, at 12:34 AM, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Julia Thompson wrote:
Question: How much does a good
On 18/09/2007, at 1:47 AM, Dan Minettte wrote:
Calculations show that a car-free inner London scenario equates to
a 49%
reduction in emissions7. Because most London car trips are within
outer
London, changes in inner London boroughs alone were not found to be
sufficient to meet the
I saw this email a bit lateso I'm responding out of sequence.
Why would you like to submit that proposition why you have just
agreed that I am right?
I didn't. A conversion of 90% of the 8 km or less transits to active
transportation (which I take to imply self propelled such as
On 9/19/07, Dan Minettte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why would you like to submit that proposition why you have just
agreed that I am right?
I didn't. A conversion of 90% of the 8 km or less transits to active
transportation (which I take to imply self propelled such as hiking, biking,
Dan Minettte blasphemed:
There are times, as with Brin's argument that GWB follows orders
from Saudi Arabia, that I believe that reasonable people should not
accept such an argument.
!!!
Die, herectic scum!!!
Alberto Monteiro
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2007, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Dan Minettte blasphemed:
There are times, as with Brin's argument that GWB follows orders
from Saudi Arabia, that I believe that reasonable people should not
accept such an argument.
!!!
Die, herectic scum!!!
Oh, goody! Holy war!
On Sun, 16 Sep 2007, Dave Land wrote:
Folks,
I apologize that I wound up the twit.
Dave
Was that really necessary?
Sheesh.
Julia
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On Sep 19, 2007, at 10:29 AM, Julia Thompson wrote:
On Sun, 16 Sep 2007, Dave Land wrote:
Folks,
I apologize that I wound up the twit.
Dave
Was that really necessary?
Sheesh.
Probably not. Apologies to all, especially Martin.
Personal attacks are not welcome on Brin-L and I
am
On 9/17/07, Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
BTW, Rio de Janeiro was slowly turning car-free, but recent (1990-2000)
movements towards a suburb (Barra da Tijuca) reversed it. Some
neighbourhoods of Rio suffer heavily as they became passing areas
for those suburbans (NB: a term that
On Behalf Of Julia Thompson
If I told you where I got my underwear, would that help?
Julia
http://www.victoriassecret.com/
Is that a work-safe link? grin
Somehow I doubt it...
- jmh
CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for
the sole use
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007, Horn, John wrote:
On Behalf Of Julia Thompson
If I told you where I got my underwear, would that help?
Julia
http://www.victoriassecret.com/
Is that a work-safe link? grin
Somehow I doubt it...
- jmh
It's a shopping site. If lingere is a problem at
Mauro Diotallevi wrote:
(NB: a term that is highly derogatory here...)
Passing areas or suburbans?
Suburbans.
Alberto Monteiro
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On Tue, 18 Sep 2007, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Mauro Diotallevi wrote:
(NB: a term that is highly derogatory here...)
Passing areas or suburbans?
Suburbans.
Alberto Monteiro
I drive one.
Then again, I'm highly amused by the minivan (painted to make its sides
look like brick walls,
On Sep 17, 2007, at 9:21 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
At 09:34 AM Monday 9/17/2007, Nick Arnett wrote:
My commute varies tremendously. Sometimes I stop in the bathroom
on the way from our bedroom to the ofice. That probably triples
my time.
Have you tried getting more fiber in your diet?
On 17/09/2007, at 1:06 PM, Dan Minettte wrote:
Well, technically, the proposal doesn't force people to walk.
There could
be mass transit on each and every street, I suppose. It's just
that any
realistic implementation of the proposal would force people who are
not
capable of
On 9/17/07, Dan Minettte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The conversation went like this:
Gary makes a massive strawman about forcing people to walk.
Well, technically, the proposal doesn't force people to walk.
snip
I point out this is massive strawman.
Point out implies that your
Never, ever post a private message to a mailing list.
It is an unconscionable breach of netiquette.
Oddly enough, I think that replying to an onlist post offlist is
pretty poor netiquette. If you wish to berate someone for their
behaviour onlist, do it onlist or not at all. It's called
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Martin Lewis wrote:
On 9/14/07, Gary Nunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
London's Emissions Targets For 2030 Will Only Be Reached By Banning Cars
Related in two ways to that link, I read this in the paper today:
Cycling England says a 20% increase in bicycle journeys would
On 9/14/07, Gary Nunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
London's Emissions Targets For 2030 Will Only Be Reached By Banning Cars
Related in two ways to that link, I read this in the paper today:
Cycling England says a 20% increase in bicycle journeys would lower
healthcare costs and reduce congestion.
On 9/15/07, jon louis mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
the fact is
that the oil and automobile industries are critical to global
capitalism and i do not see those powerful lobbies allowing alternative
modes of transportation to develop.
I would hope that it's not that simple... but for those
Julia Thompson wrote:
Question: How much does a good bike (good for riding around London)
cost?
(Wondering how good a selling point this is; if it pays for itself
in 2 years, that's a good deal, IMO.)
I don't think this is the correct reasoning. How much biofuel
does a human being
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Nick Arnett wrote:
My commute varies tremendously. Sometimes I stop in the bathroom on the
way from our bedroom to the ofice. That probably triples my time.
Telecommuting is good. :) You may not even need to stop to get dressed!
(Although it's recommended you be
Nick Arnett wrote:
I would hope that it's not that simple... but for those who don't
know the history, there is a very sad story from the 1950s of how
automobile and related industries destroyed much of America's mass transit
infrastructure... in the name of progress. The promise was that
I want to add my two cents about car-free anything, since the University of
New Mexico is working very hard to become a car-free campus - at the age of
68 and in hot weather, walking any distance is exhausting. There have been
days I've tried to do so for my health and have come home and been
On 9/17/07, Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
does a human being consume, when we compare to a car? It certainly
makes no sense to use a car to go to work and back, and then
spend a couple of hours in the gym, but most people already do
enough physical exercise not to need that extra
Martin Lewis wrote:
does a human being consume, when we compare to a car? It certainly
makes no sense to use a car to go to work and back, and then
spend a couple of hours in the gym, but most people already do
enough physical exercise not to need that extra time.
Is this true?
Most =
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Martin Lewis wrote:
does a human being consume, when we compare to a car? It certainly
makes no sense to use a car to go to work and back, and then
spend a couple of hours in the gym, but most people already do
enough physical exercise not to
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Charlie Bell
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 3:32 AM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: Re: Car free London?
On 17/09/2007, at 1:06 PM, Dan Minettte wrote:
Well, technically, the proposal
On 9/17/07, Dan Minettte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's not a proposal that forces anyone to do anything, especially if
you're talking about the centre of London (within the Circle Line
area, which seems to be the general idea).
That would be a lot more practical, but I don't think that's
On Sep 17, 2007, at 3:57 AM, Charlie Bell wrote:
Never, ever post a private message to a mailing list.
It is an unconscionable breach of netiquette.
Oddly enough, I think that replying to an onlist post offlist is
pretty poor netiquette. If you wish to berate someone for their
behaviour
Martin Lewis wrote:
It is hard to overestimate the amount of effort that would be
required to elminate cars from London. It may not be designed around
the car in the same way American cities but that is still very often
the default planning assumption. Achieving a car free London would
At 09:09 AM Monday 9/17/2007, Martin Lewis wrote:
On 9/14/07, Gary Nunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
London's Emissions Targets For 2030 Will Only Be Reached By Banning Cars
Related in two ways to that link, I read this in the paper today:
Cycling England says a 20% increase in bicycle journeys
On 18/09/2007, at 12:34 AM, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Julia Thompson wrote:
Question: How much does a good bike (good for riding around London)
cost?
(Wondering how good a selling point this is; if it pays for itself
in 2 years, that's a good deal, IMO.)
I don't think this is the correct
On 18/09/2007, at 1:47 AM, Dan Minettte wrote:
Finally, are you arguing that those people who do drive in greater
London
are just a bunch of idiots who could do much better if only they
used public
transportation instead?
I'll answer the rest later as I'm just heading off to work, but
On 18/09/2007, at 12:27 AM, Julia Thompson wrote:
Question: How much does a good bike (good for riding around
London) cost? (Wondering how good a selling point this is; if it
pays for itself in 2 years, that's a good deal, IMO.)
Answer one - as much as you want to spend. OK, I'm
On 9/17/2007 5:57:42 AM, Charlie Bell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Never, ever post a private message to a mailing list.
It is an unconscionable breach of netiquette.
Oddly enough, I think that replying to an onlist post offlist is
pretty poor netiquette. If you wish to berate someone for
On 9/17/2007 9:36:08 AM, Julia Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
wrote:
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Nick Arnett wrote:
My commute varies tremendously. Sometimes I stop in the bathroom
on the
way from our bedroom to the ofice. That probably triples my time.
Telecommuting is good. :) You may
On 9/17/2007 4:51:13 PM, Julia Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
wrote:
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Robert Seeberger wrote:
On 9/17/2007 9:36:08 AM, Julia Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
wrote:
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Nick Arnett wrote:
My commute varies tremendously. Sometimes I stop in the
Charlie Bell wrote:
Question: How much does a good bike (good for riding around London)
cost?
(Wondering how good a selling point this is; if it pays for itself
in 2 years, that's a good deal, IMO.)
I don't think this is the correct reasoning.
It's part of the reasoning, and it's the
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Charlie Bell wrote:
Question: How much does a good bike (good for riding around London)
cost?
(Wondering how good a selling point this is; if it pays for itself
in 2 years, that's a good deal, IMO.)
I don't think this is the correct
On 18/09/2007, at 12:19 AM, PAT MATHEWS wrote:
I tried to re-acquire a bicycle and ride it and found I was no
longer secure
in my balance.
You are the perfect candidate to discover the joys of triking. I have
read story after story by people who rediscovered the joys of cycling
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Robert Seeberger wrote:
On 9/17/2007 4:51:13 PM, Julia Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
wrote:
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Robert Seeberger wrote:
On 9/17/2007 9:36:08 AM, Julia Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
wrote:
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Nick Arnett wrote:
My commute varies
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Robert Seeberger wrote:
On 9/17/2007 9:36:08 AM, Julia Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
wrote:
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Nick Arnett wrote:
My commute varies tremendously. Sometimes I stop in the bathroom
on the
way from our bedroom to the ofice. That probably triples my
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
And while London and some other cities like New York City do have public
transportation systems which allow many people to get by quite well
without owning and driving a car (although when it comes to subways or
elevated trains many people
At 02:34 PM Monday 9/17/2007, Martin Lewis wrote:
On 9/17/07, Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(particularly most cities in the US) do not. So
we naturally wonder if a car ban is implemented
in London and proves successful in reducing
emissions how soon it will be before it is
At 03:23 PM Monday 9/17/2007, Julia Thompson wrote:
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
And while London and some other cities like New York City do have public
transportation systems which allow many people to get by quite well
without owning and driving a car (although when it
On 9/17/07, Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(particularly most cities in the US) do not. So
we naturally wonder if a car ban is implemented
in London and proves successful in reducing
emissions how soon it will be before it is
suggested or implemented in other cities,
including
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
At 03:23 PM Monday 9/17/2007, Julia Thompson wrote:
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
And while London and some other cities like New York City do have public
transportation systems which allow many people to get by quite well
At 05:09 PM Monday 9/17/2007, Julia Thompson wrote:
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Robert Seeberger wrote:
On 9/17/2007 4:51:13 PM, Julia Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Robert Seeberger wrote:
On 9/17/2007 9:36:08 AM, Julia Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Mon, 17 Sep
At 09:34 AM Monday 9/17/2007, Nick Arnett wrote:
My commute varies tremendously. Sometimes I stop in the bathroom on the way
from our bedroom to the ofice. That probably triples my time.
Have you tried getting more fiber in your diet?
-- Ronn! :)
At 09:34 AM Monday 9/17/2007, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Julia Thompson wrote:
Question: How much does a good bike (good for riding around London)
cost?
(Wondering how good a selling point this is; if it pays for itself
in 2 years, that's a good deal, IMO.)
I don't think this is the
On 16/09/2007, at 6:21 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
Now, Charlie Rob and I do not live in London, so our experiences do
not directly translate.
No, but I did grow up in London, and used a bike pretty much
exclusively there too. And it was likewise far quicker by bike there
too, because I
Please don't respond to me off-list. If you have something to say to
me you can say it in front of everyone.
On 9/16/07, Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Martin,
Responding off list so that this rant doesn't ruin a perfectly
interesting conversation.
Quoting from the dictionary is not
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Martin Lewis
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 4:36 AM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: Re: Car free London?
The conversation went like this:
Gary makes a massive strawman about forcing
At 10:06 PM Sunday 9/16/2007, Dan Minettte wrote:
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Martin Lewis
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 4:36 AM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: Re: Car free London?
The conversation went like
Folks,
I apologize that I wound up the twit.
Dave
On Sep 16, 2007, at 2:14 PM, Martin Lewis wrote:
Please don't respond to me off-list. If you have something to say to
me you can say it in front of everyone.
On 9/16/07, Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Martin,
Responding off list so
On Sun, 16 Sep 2007, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
At 10:06 PM Sunday 9/16/2007, Dan Minettte wrote:
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Martin Lewis
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 4:36 AM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: Re: Car
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Julia Thompson
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 11:10 PM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: RE: Car free London?
On Sun, 16 Sep 2007, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
At 10:06 PM Sunday 9/16/2007
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dan Minettte
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 11:22 PM
To: 'Killer Bs Discussion'
Subject: RE: Car free London?
in Geneva in only 20 minutes or so. Or even getting from one to the other
without
On 9/15/07, Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is basic reading comprehension too much to ask?
Perhaps we have different ideas of what constitutes basic reading
comprehension here. If so, could you perhaps clarify?
The conversation went like this:
Gary makes a massive strawman
At 10:36 PM Friday 9/14/2007, jon louis mann wrote:
i suspect a lot of the younger people i see with the placard are
scamming, unless they are using a cane;
Were you that guy who that time I was waiting for the light to change
to cross the street said You're too young to need a cane!?
-- Ronn!
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
At 04:53 PM Friday 9/14/2007, Julia Thompson wrote:
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
At 02:00 PM Friday 9/14/2007, jon louis mann wrote:
They don't conviently forget it. You are the only person who has
mentioned forcing people
On Sat, 15 Sep 2007, Charlie Bell wrote:
On 15/09/2007, at 6:01 AM, Andrew Crystall wrote:
What's mysterious about it? People take extra time to get into work,
this costs.
Time to work for me:
Car: 40 mins
Train: 40 mins
Tram: 45 mins
Bicycle: 25 mins.
Charlie
Yes, but.
Lance
On 9/14/2007 8:42:51 PM, Charlie Bell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On 15/09/2007, at 6:01 AM, Andrew Crystall wrote:
What's mysterious about it? People take extra time to get into
work,
this costs.
Time to work for me:
Car: 40 mins
Train: 40 mins
Tram: 45 mins
Bicycle: 25 mins.
Rob wrote:
It is quite clear you don't live in Houston.G
For me it would work out:
Car: 40 minutes (realistically, probably over an hour)Train: N/ATram:
N/ABus: 60 minutesBicycle: 2+ hours
I think I have you beat: each way my commute to a customer I need to work on
site twice/week is:
- Original Message -
From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: Car free London?
Rob wrote:
It is quite clear you don't live in Houston.G
For me it would work out:
Car: 40 minutes (realistically, probably over
all i am saying is that there are a lot of yuppie looking people in los
angeles that seem to be driving beemers with handicapped placards...
this is a city with rather shallow values. i have lived here since
1965 and have seen the progressION. jon
You call that _pro_gress? :P
-- Ronn! :)
At 06:16 PM Saturday 9/15/2007, jon louis mann wrote:
all i am saying is that there are a lot of yuppie looking people in los
angeles that seem to be driving beemers with handicapped placards...
this is a city with rather shallow values. i have lived here since
1965 and have seen the
On 9/14/07, Gary Nunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Whatever politicians that may be in power if this scenario would came true,
would definitely not be in power much longer.
Why?
There's an interesting paragraph about the potential health benefits of a
car free London, but I see they
At 07:58 AM Friday 9/14/2007, Gary Nunn wrote:
Whatever politicians that may be in power if this scenario would came true,
would definitely not be in power much longer.
There's an interesting paragraph about the potential health benefits of a
car free London, but I see they conveniently
On 9/14/07, Andrew Crystall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
They don't conviently forget it. You are the only person who has
mentioned forcing people to walk.
Untrue. They didn't analyse a single negative factor. The increased
travel times, the added stress and so on, whioch would need to be
On 14 Sep 2007 at 20:53, Martin Lewis wrote:
On 9/14/07, Andrew Crystall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
They don't conviently forget it. You are the only person who has
mentioned forcing people to walk.
Untrue. They didn't analyse a single negative factor. The increased
travel times,
On 14 Sep 2007 at 14:19, Martin Lewis wrote:
They don't conviently forget it. You are the only person who has
mentioned forcing people to walk.
Untrue. They didn't analyse a single negative factor. The increased
travel times, the added stress and so on, whioch would need to be
fully
On 9/14/07, Andrew Crystall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
They don't conviently forget it. You are the only person who has
mentioned forcing people to walk.
Untrue. They didn't analyse a single negative factor. The increased
travel times, the added stress and so on, whioch would need
At 02:00 PM Friday 9/14/2007, jon louis mann wrote:
They don't conviently forget it. You are the only person who has
mentioned forcing people to walk.
Martin
what about electric cars exemptions for those
who can prove they can't ambulate; i see
yuppies in their bmws all the time with
At 03:10 PM Friday 9/14/2007, Martin Lewis wrote:
What do these hypothetical costs that you have shown no evidence for
got to do with reducing emissions?
Martin
They present reasons why the proposal (at least as it is described in
the article referenced) is unrealistic.
-- Ronn! :)
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
At 02:00 PM Friday 9/14/2007, jon louis mann wrote:
They don't conviently forget it. You are the only person who has
mentioned forcing people to walk.
Martin
what about electric cars exemptions for those
who can prove they can't ambulate; i
At 04:53 PM Friday 9/14/2007, Julia Thompson wrote:
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
At 02:00 PM Friday 9/14/2007, jon louis mann wrote:
They don't conviently forget it. You are the only person who has
mentioned forcing people to walk.
Martin
what about electric cars
On 9/14/07, Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What do these hypothetical costs that you have shown no evidence for
got to do with reducing emissions?
They present reasons why the proposal (at least as it is described in
the article referenced) is unrealistic.
You could indeed
At 07:01 PM Friday 9/14/2007, Martin Lewis wrote:
On 9/14/07, Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What do these hypothetical costs that you have shown no evidence for
got to do with reducing emissions?
They present reasons why the proposal (at least as it is described in
the
On 9/15/07, Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What do these hypothetical costs that you have shown no evidence for
got to do with reducing emissions?
They present reasons why the proposal (at least as it is described in
the article referenced) is unrealistic.
You
On Sep 14, 2007, at 5:28 PM, Martin Lewis wrote:
On 9/15/07, Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You could indeed present several reasons why the proposal is
difficult and possibly unwise to implement. This would be a non
sequitar, of course, but hey.
On 9/15/07, Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please tell me you didn't have to look that up. Or do you just have
such contempt for your audience that you assume they don't understand
the conversation that is taking place?
Ronn's point seems to be that _you_ should have looked it up.
At 07:28 PM Friday 9/14/2007, Martin Lewis wrote:
On 9/15/07, Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What do these hypothetical costs that you have shown no evidence for
got to do with reducing emissions?
They present reasons why the proposal (at least as it is described in
On 15/09/2007, at 6:01 AM, Andrew Crystall wrote:
What's mysterious about it? People take extra time to get into work,
this costs.
Time to work for me:
Car: 40 mins
Train: 40 mins
Tram: 45 mins
Bicycle: 25 mins.
Charlie
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At 08:42 PM Friday 9/14/2007, Charlie Bell wrote:
On 15/09/2007, at 6:01 AM, Andrew Crystall wrote:
What's mysterious about it? People take extra time to get into work,
this costs.
Time to work for me:
Car: 40 mins
Train: 40 mins
Tram: 45 mins
Bicycle: 25 mins.
Charlie
By comparison,
At 09:44 PM Friday 9/14/2007, jon louis mann wrote:
And if you see one of them going from
handicapped parking space to business, you might
think they acquired the placard illegally.
If there's some system in place for electric
cabs or something, that would make the solution
more
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