At 21:27 17-03-03 -0600, Reggie Bautista wrote:
Jeroen wrote:
Come Sunday, I will have been living in The Netherlands for the last 36
years.
Does this mean you have a birthday coming up? If so, happy birthday!
Yep. T minus 29-years-and-two-days till retirement. :-)
Jeroen Oldtimer van
At 21:39 17-03-03 +, John Giorgis wrote:
Uhhh. I don't know how Dutch dictionaries work, but in English
dictionary definitions are *OR* propositions, not *AND* propositions.
For example, please visit the dictionary definition of the English
word heart:
From: J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: France's influence
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 22:07:50 +0100
At 05:15 18-03-03 +, John Giorgis wrote:
Now, let's see. Someone who has been living
At 09:03 AM 3/18/03 -0500, Han Tacoma wrote:
POLITICAL CORRECTNESS: You are associated with
(the concept of 'ownership' is a symbol of the phallocentric,
warmongering, intolerant past) two differently aged (but no
less valuable to society) bovines of non-specified gender.
Hmm.
JDG wrote:
Thus, despite our colloquial
speech, the US, the UK, and the Netherlands are republics,
not democracies.
If you want to nitpick, I would restrict UK and the
Netherlands to republics. The USA would be an
_empire_, because it's a coalition of republics under
an Emperor
On Monday, March 17, 2003 5:05 PM, Jon Gabriel wrote:
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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 21:39:52 -
At 15:11 17-03-03 -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
Q.E.D.
Uhhh. I don't know how Dutch dictionaries work, but in English
dictionary definitions are *OR*
On Tuesday, March 18, 2003 9:03 AM, Han Tacoma (that's me) wrote:
On Monday, March 17, 2003 5:05 PM, Jon Gabriel wrote:
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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 21:39:52 -
At 15:11 17-03-03 -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
Q.E.D.
Uhhh. I don't know how Dutch
I was just wondering...isn't France (and the UN) now caught in a Catch-22?
If the USA and Allies go to war with Iraq and do well won't we wonder WHY we have a UN?
If the USA and Allies go to war with Iraq and don't do too well won't we BLAME the UN
(and France) for not helping us?
And didn't
At 16:00 17-03-03 -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
Then how would you describe countries like The Netherlands, Belgium,
the UK and Spain? These are all monarchies and they are all
democratic.
Constitutional monarchies. They are not democracies because there is not a
direct rule of the majority.
When
Jeroen wrote:
BTW, yesterday something happened in The Netherlands that made the country
look like a democracy in the literal meaning of the word -- the government
made a decision based on the will of the people. The Netherlands finally
did the right thing, and announced that it will not give
JDG wrote:
Thus, despite our colloquial
speech, the US, the UK, and the Netherlands
are republics, not democracies.
Alberto Monteiro wrote:
If you want to nitpick, I would restrict UK and the
Netherlands to republics. The USA would be an
_empire_, because it's a coalition of
At 18:24 16-03-03 -0600, Ronn Blankenship wrote:
Er, John, I think you need to read up on how a democracy works. In a
democracy, decisions are not made by the populace but by the politicians
that were elected by the populace.
No, that is the definition of a _republic_.
That's not entirely
On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, J. van Baardwijk wrote:
At 18:24 16-03-03 -0600, Ronn Blankenship wrote:
Er, John, I think you need to read up on how a democracy works. In a
democracy, decisions are not made by the populace but by the politicians
that were elected by the populace.
No, that is
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], J. van Baardwijk
That's not entirely correct. In The Netherlands, our politicians
have been
elected by the populace, and decisions are made by those
politicians.
However, The Netherlands is NOT a republic -- it's a democracy
(with a
constitutional monarchy).
At 20:37 17-03-03 +, John Giorgis wrote:
That's not entirely correct. In The Netherlands, our politicians
have been elected by the populace, and decisions are made by those
politicians. However, The Netherlands is NOT a republic -- it's a
democracy (with a constitutional monarchy).
Are
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], J. van Baardwijk
Absolutely. Come Sunday, I will have been living in The Netherlands
for the
last 36 years. I can assure you that our politicians have been
elected (two
elections so far this year), and I can assure you that if my
country would
be a republic, I
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Subject: Re: France's influence
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], J. van Baardwijk
Absolutely. Come Sunday, I will have been living in The Netherlands
At 15:11 17-03-03 -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
Absolutely. Come Sunday, I will have been living in The Netherlands
for the last 36 years. I can assure you that our politicians have
been elected (two elections so far this year), and I can assure you
that if my country would be a republic, I
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From: J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: France's influence
At 15:11 17-03-03 -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
Absolutely. Come Sunday, I will have been living
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], J. van Baardwijk
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 15:11 17-03-03 -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
Absolutely. Come Sunday, I will have been living in The
Netherlands
for the last 36 years. I can assure you that our politicians
have
been elected (two elections so far
At 15:30 17-03-03 -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
So, a republic does not have a monarch. The Netherlands does have a
monarch, therefore The Netherlands is not a republic.
Q.E.D.
But, it isn't a democracy either. Democracies don't have monarchs.
Then how would you describe countries like The
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Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: France's influence
At 15:30 17-03-03 -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
So, a republic does not have a monarch. The Netherlands does
From: iaamoac [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: France's influence
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 21:39:52 -
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], J. van Baardwijk
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 15:11 17-03-03 -0600, Dan
At 21:39 17-03-03 +, John Giorgis wrote:
So, a republic does not have a monarch. The Netherlands does have a
monarch, therefore The Netherlands is not a republic.
Q.E.D.
Uhhh. I don't know how Dutch dictionaries work, but in English
dictionary definitions are *OR* propositions, not
At 17:05 17-03-03 -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote:
So, a republic does not have a monarch. The Netherlands does have a
monarch, therefore The Netherlands is not a republic.
Q.E.D.
Uhhh. I don't know how Dutch dictionaries work, but in English
dictionary definitions are *OR* propositions, not
At 05:05 PM 3/17/03 -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote:
Julia, would you mind posting the OED definition of republic, please?
:)
Jon
I am not Julia, but as she apparently has not responded:
republic /rIpVblIk/ n. a.
L16. [Fr. republique f. L respublica, f. res affair, thing + fem. of
Reggie Bautista wrote:
and republic is government where the
population chooses representatives to govern.
Such as Iraq?
100% Vote Maru
Alberto Monteiro
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Jeroen wrote:
Come Sunday, I will have been living in The Netherlands for the last 36
years.
Does this mean you have a birthday coming up? If so, happy birthday!
Reggie Bautista
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Jon Gabriel wrote:
Julia, would you mind posting the OED definition of republic, please?
:)
Jon
Tell you what, I'll go look it up sometime after I get caught up on
listmail. OK? :)
Julia
behind, and not likely to catch up this evening
I wrote:
and republic is government where the
population chooses representatives to govern.
Alberto replied:
Such as Iraq?
100% Vote Maru
Yes, Iraq qualifies as a republic. But it isn't a democratically elected
republic. Earlier I posted the Oxford definition of democracy. Here's the
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], J. van Baardwijk
Now, let's see. Someone who has been living in The Netherlands for
almost
36 years says that the country is not a republic. There are no
government
documents that say that the country is still a republic (it ceased
to be a
republic a long
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Alberto replied:
Such as Iraq?
100% Vote Maru
Yes, Iraq qualifies as a republic.
Not under any definition that I've seen posted. The people of Iraq
are not the ultimate authority in the governance of Iraq.
JDG - Waiting
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Behalf Of iaamoac
...
Anyhow, now that Jeroen's insistence to never be proven wrong has now
engulfed the rest of the List - let me fully explain. In my post
that got this whole thing started, I was drawing a
What's demarchy?
Ceteris Paribis - All Other Things Being Equal.
JDG
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Subject: RE: France's influence
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 7:13 AM
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Subject: Re: RE: France's influence
What's demarchy?
I thought it was what you described as direct democracy... Here's
JDG wrote:
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], J. van Baardwijk
Absolutely. Come Sunday, I will have been living in The Netherlands
for the
last 36 years. I can assure you that our politicians have been
elected (two
elections so far this year), and I can assure you that if my
country would
be
On 15 Mar 2003 at 21:21, Dan Minette wrote:
And, what are the chances of being re-elected when they take actions
that are opposed by the overwhelming majority of their citizens? If I
were a politician willing to do what it takes, I'd say that I would
represent the interest of _fill the
At 17:40 15-03-03 -0500, John Giorgis wrote:
I was talking about the opinion of people. In a January Gallup poll, the
last one I could find, the numbers were:
**
Again, though, I definitely believe that those numbers are skewed by the
presence
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Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: France's influence
On 15 Mar 2003 at 13:05, Dan Minette wrote:
I personally think that France may be winning a victory
On 16 Mar 2003 at 11:41, Dan Minette wrote:
A March 15th poll by YouGov indicates that support for war without UN
authorization is growing in GB, but is still fairly small. 32%
approve, while 60% disapprove.
Who are YouGov? Not seen a poll by them before. And what precisely
was the
---Original Message---
From: J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Er, John, I think you need to read up on how a democracy works.
In a democracy, decisions are not made by the populace but by
the politicians that were elected by the populace.
---Original Message---
From: J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Er, John, I think you need to read up on how a democracy works.
In a democracy, decisions are not made by the populace but by
the politicians that were elected by the populace.
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From: Andrew Crystall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: France's influence
On 16 Mar 2003 at 11:41, Dan Minette wrote:
A March 15th poll by YouGov indicates that support for war
On 16 Mar 2003 at 13:06, Dan Minette wrote:
On 16 Mar 2003 at 11:41, Dan Minette wrote:
A March 15th poll by YouGov indicates that support for war without
UN authorization is growing in GB, but is still fairly small. 32%
approve, while 60% disapprove.
Who are YouGov? Not seen a
At 11:12 16-03-03 -0500, John Giorgis wrote:
Er, John, I think you need to read up on how a democracy works.
In a democracy, decisions are not made by the populace but by
the politicians that were elected by the populace.
ROTFLOL!
You crack me
---Original Message---
From: J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Er, John, I think you need to read up on how a democracy works.
In a democracy, decisions are not made by the populace but by
the politicians that were elected by the populace.
No, that is the definition of a _republic_.
John D. Giorgis wrote:
---Original Message---
From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED]
As the leaders of the contain the US alliance? The only democracy that I know of
that favors attacking Iraq without a new specific Security Council resolution
authorizing it explicitly is the US.
---Original Message---
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It actually has 191 UN member nations
listed in groups broken down by the amount of support they're lending.
***
I'd love to see it...along with any information you might have regarding its source.
JDG
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From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED]
As the leaders of the contain the US alliance? The only democracy that I know of
that favors attacking Iraq without a new specific Security Council resolution
authorizing it explicitly is the US. After we go in, probably
---Original Message---
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
snip
JDG - International Opion :), Maru.
BTW - I forgot to include Portugal and Israel in my list of democracies who will
support a war without a second UN Resolution. Apologies if I missed any others.
Additionally, I
On 15 Mar 2003 at 13:05, Dan Minette wrote:
I personally think that France may be winning a victory, but that
they
are losing the War. Their influence will only be reduced after this
is all said and done.
As the leaders of the contain the US alliance? The only democracy
that I know of
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Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: France's influence
---Original Message---
From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED]
As the leaders of the contain the US
Andrew Crystall wrote:
The UK public and leadership are in favour.
The UK public are in favour? What is that statement based on?
Lal
GSV Curious
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On 15 Mar 2003 at 21:55, Lalith Vipulananthan wrote:
Andrew Crystall wrote:
The UK public and leadership are in favour.
The UK public are in favour? What is that statement based on?
Poll I saw 2 days in a newspaper. Can't think offhand which.
Support has been growing recently.
Andy
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The US numbers have shifted towards going in without
the UN, but the trend
polls that I have seen in other countries have
indicated a firming up of
the opinion that they will approve of a war only
with a UN mandate. I know
that Gautam is fairly
---Original Message---
From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I was talking about the opinion of people. In a January Gallup poll, the last one I
could find, the numbers were:
**
Again, though, I definitely believe that those numbers are
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: Re: France's influence
---Original Message---
From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I was talking about the opinion
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Unless the war in Iraq is not considered important
by people, why wouldn't
politicians who oppose it have a tremendous
advantage in the next election
in countries where the overwhelming majority of
people are opposed to the
war?
Dan M.
That may
---Original Message---
From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The eternal optimist? John, the question was
1) Not even with UN backing
2) Only with UN backing
3) Even without UN backing
You really think all the 2s are going to slide into 1s?
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