Re: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct

2003-07-28 Thread Julia Thompson
Kevin Tarr wrote: Okay, again I see all of that. But I'm assuming (and keep in mind I'm completely inebriated right now) that the Cal people agreed with a certain plan, then when things got tight, they wanted to change the plan. I'm not saying that business profits should trump all, but that

RE: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct

2003-07-27 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 01:38 AM 7/25/2003 -0400 Jon Gabriel wrote: Then again, CA Dems aren't coming across as geniuses in general these days. Did you see the report yesterday about the CA state legislators (Dems again) who were caught on tape suggesting that the state's fiscal crisis be extended over time for

RE: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct

2003-07-27 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 07:51 AM 7/25/2003 -0700, you wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of pencimen ... Enron _and_ the Bush administration. Or is that what you meant? Sort of. Except that there's some superset that they're both part of, which I dare not

RE: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct

2003-07-27 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Tarr Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 1:40 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: RE: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct At 02:13 PM 7/26/2003 -0400, you wrote: At 01:38 AM 7/25/2003 -0400 Jon Gabriel wrote

RE: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct

2003-07-27 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:brin-l- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Tarr Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 1:49 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: RE: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct At 07:51 AM 7/25/2003 -0700, you wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL

RE: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct

2003-07-27 Thread Kevin Tarr
A more accurate assessment seems to be that Enron used exorbitant, unfair fees to blackmail California consumers and threatened to withhold power if they weren't paid. From an article in the SF Chronicle, quoted on corpwatch.org: http://www.corpwatch.org/news/PND.jsp?articleid=2530 Jon Right,

RE: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct

2003-07-27 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Tarr Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 4:26 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: RE: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct A more accurate assessment seems to be that Enron used exorbitant, unfair fees to blackmail

RE: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct

2003-07-27 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 07:51 AM 7/25/03 -0700, Nick Arnett wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of pencimen ... Enron _and_ the Bush administration. Or is that what you meant? Sort of. Except that there's some superset that they're both part of, which I

Re: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct

2003-07-27 Thread Doug Pensinger
Jon Gabriel wrote: No, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission under the Bush administration tried to stop California from fighting Enron with price caps and we can safely assume that this was in part because Enron was lobbying the Bush administration to do so as reported in AP:

RE: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct

2003-07-27 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doug Pensinger Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 9:16 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct Jon Gabriel wrote: No, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission under the Bush

Re: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct

2003-07-27 Thread Doug Pensinger
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 07:51 AM 7/25/03 -0700, Nick Arnett wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of pencimen ... Enron _and_ the Bush administration. Or is that what you meant? Sort of. Except that there's some superset that

Re: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct

2003-07-27 Thread Doug Pensinger
Jon Gabriel wrote: the Bush administration recruited something like a dozen Enron employees for top-mid level positions so it isn't as if these people were strangers to one another. However to play devil's advocate, the administration could have bailed Enron out and opted not to do so. Just

RE: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct

2003-07-27 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 05:10 PM 7/27/2003 -0400, you wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Tarr Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 4:26 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: RE: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct A more accurate assessment seems to be that Enron used

RE: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct

2003-07-27 Thread Nick Arnett
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ronn!Blankenship Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 3:20 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: RE: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct At 07:51 AM 7/25/03 -0700, Nick Arnett wrote: -Original

Re: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct

2003-07-26 Thread pencimen
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Horn, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: John D. Giorgis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Of course, California Democrats, instead of doing the wise thing and trying to get a solid candidate in there are rallying around the sinking ship. You mean, like the

Re: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct

2003-07-26 Thread Matt Grimaldi
Jon Gabriel wrote: It certainly looks to me like he's screwed and that the Democrats are (rather stupidly, imo) pinning all their hopes on him. Then again, CA Dems aren't coming across as geniuses in general these days. Did you see the report yesterday about the CA state legislators

Re: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct

2003-07-25 Thread pencimen
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John D. Giorgis Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 8:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct Not

RE: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct

2003-07-25 Thread Nick Arnett
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of pencimen ... Enron _and_ the Bush administration. Or is that what you meant? Sort of. Except that there's some superset that they're both part of, which I dare not name. ;-) Nick

RE: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct

2003-07-25 Thread Horn, John
From: John D. Giorgis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Of course, California Democrats, instead of doing the wise thing and trying to get a solid candidate in there are rallying around the sinking ship. You mean, like the Terminator? - jmh ___

RE: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct

2003-07-24 Thread Nick Arnett
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John D. Giorgis Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 8:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct Not sure if it's so clear to those of you who don't live here, but a lot of

RE: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct

2003-07-24 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John D. Giorgis Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 11:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct This is certainly one of the most amazing stories of the year - the Governor of mighty California