PVt. PV wrote:
technically birth place is a common denominator of citizenship and the
colonial empire provided limited citizenship to white males at the time of
founding the nation --- the ideas of racism in us politics has a richer and
greater history. The first president espoused freedom
Both McCain and Obama were born outside of the continental USA
(Panama and Hawaii, respectively). I don't know too much about
USA history, but was there any POTUS that was not born in the
continental USA?
Maybe the next one will be born even outsider (like Austria...)
Alberto Monteiro
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Both McCain and Obama were born outside of the continental USA
(Panama and Hawaii, respectively). I don't know too much about
USA history, but was there any POTUS that was not born in the
continental USA?
Maybe the
John Garcia wrote:
technically, the first seven Presidents were born in what was at the time,
colonies of the British Empire. the first President to be born after the US
became an independent country was Martin Van Buren.
John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone to a serving US Navy
Cue Bruce Springsteenhttp://idiotgrrl.livejournal.com/
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:48:18 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:
brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: USA presidential race(ism) On Thu, Jun
19, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Both
McCain and Obama were
afaik, that person would be just like McCain, considered to be a
natural-born citizen.
john
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Lance A. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
John Garcia wrote:
technically, the first seven Presidents were born in what was at the
time,
colonies of the British
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 3:56 PM, John Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
afaik, that person would be just like McCain, considered to be a
natural-born citizen.
john
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Lance A. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
John Garcia wrote:
technically, the first seven
John Garcia quoted:
Separate sections handle territories that the United States
has acquired over time,
Ouch! Too bad, the one I am thinking was born _outside_ the USA,
but _almost_ in a area under USA occupation: just look at
the maps here...
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
John Garcia quoted:
Separate sections handle territories that the United States
has acquired over time,
Ouch! Too bad, the one I am thinking was born _outside_ the USA,
but _almost_ in a area under USA
jon wrote:
People are running for an office, but it's barely worth
my time to vote at all. I'm certainly not going to
do any research on the candidates. (Think Dogcatcher, or
the Board of Directors of that company you have one share
in, ...) In that case, I routinely vote for
People are running for an office, but it's barely worth
my time to vote at all. I'm certainly not going to
do any research on the candidates. (Think Dogcatcher, or
the Board of Directors of that company you have one share
in, ...) In that case, I routinely vote for women.
On Jun 11, 2008, at 8:24 PM, jon louis mann wrote:
at least in this election we finally have a democratic candidate
who will represent voters over special interests...
And as an extra bonus, one whose voice I can stand to hear on the
radio or TV for the next four years, who knows how to
On 10/06/2008, at 11:18 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
i am voting for obama BECAUSE he is black; many more will vote
for mc cain to prevent a black man from winning...
Sorry if this comes as news to you, but that makes you just as much
of a racist bigot as they are.
Not so. Believing that
On 10/06/2008, at 1:10 PM, Wayne Eddy wrote:
If he had three grandparents that were white, would he be black,
brown,
gray, white or a person?
He'd still be black, apparently. No, I don't get it either.
All I know is he's a smart guy with a face that people outside the
states (apart from
On 10 Jun 2008, at 04:10, Wayne Eddy wrote:
I am curious why Obama is being categorised as black?
Given that his father was black and his mother is white, surely he
is brown,
or more to the point a person or an American?
If he had three grandparents that were white, would he be black,
Rob wrote:
In 2004 I posted about this new guy named Barack Obama, something
about how he was an up and comer and the kind of guy I wanted to be
President. (At least I know I've been saying all that in a lot of
places throughout the last 4 years.) It's in the archives somewhere.
And
Wayne Eddy wrote:
I am curious why Obama is being categorised as black?
Given that his father was black and his mother is white, surely he
is brown, or more to the point a person or an American?
If he had three grandparents that were white, would he be black,
brown, gray, white or a
Dave Land wrote:
It should be made very, very clear that I was raised in a highly racist
culture, and find racism to be extremely abhorrent, even as -- or
perhaps better, especially as -- I acknowledge that it lives within me.
My grandmother was like this. She was highly racist (because of
At 04:17 AM Tuesday 6/10/2008, William T Goodall wrote:
On 10 Jun 2008, at 04:10, Wayne Eddy wrote:
I am curious why Obama is being categorised as black?
AFAICT the principal reason is that he is the
only candidate since the founding of the nation
who has gotten this far in the race for
Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
At 09:04 AM Monday 6/9/2008, John Garcia wrote:
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
John Garcia wrote:
Now that it looks like it's McCain vs. Obama (listed in alphabetical
order) I was wondering what you all
At 10:10 PM Monday 6/9/2008, Wayne Eddy asked:
I am curious why Obama is being categorised as black?
Given that his father was black and his mother is white, surely he is brown,
or more to the point a person or an American?
If he had three grandparents that were white, would he be black, brown,
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Kevin B. O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
At 09:04 AM Monday 6/9/2008, John Garcia wrote:
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Alberto Monteiro
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
John Garcia wrote:
Now that it looks like it's McCain
On 6/10/08, Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 04:17 AM Tuesday 6/10/2008, William T Goodall wrote:
On 10 Jun 2008, at 04:10, Wayne Eddy wrote:
I am curious why Obama is being categorised as black?
AFAICT the principal reason is that he is the
only candidate since the
In the America in which I grew up: Pittsburgh, PA in the 60s and
70s, if you had one drop of (N-word) blood in you, you were a
(N-word). Plain and simple. I am not even slightly surprised that
there is plenty of that going on even today.
Dave
back in 1962, when i was in the us navy, there
i am voting for obama BECAUSE he is black; many more will vote
for mc cain to prevent a black man from winning...
jon
Sorry if this comes as news to you, but that makes you just as much
of a racist bigot as they are. As the people who voted for
Hillary
just because she was a
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
John Garcia wrote:
Now that it looks like it's McCain vs. Obama (listed in alphabetical
order) I was wondering what you all think of this matchup. I'm especially
interested in what
our friends from outside of
At 09:04 AM Monday 6/9/2008, John Garcia wrote:
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
John Garcia wrote:
Now that it looks like it's McCain vs. Obama (listed in alphabetical
order) I was wondering what you all think of this matchup. I'm especially
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Ronn! Blankenship
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 09:04 AM Monday 6/9/2008, John Garcia wrote:
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
John Garcia wrote:
Now that it looks like it's McCain vs. Obama (listed in
Last summer, someone asked me who I thought would be the
next President and I replied
Some rich white guy. Now that I've heard Obama, I do think that he has a
very good chance of being elected.
Just how many voters will either vote for McCain or stay home is unknown.
Not very many people are
Is the implication that voters must either vote for Obama or be
bigots, iow, the only reason anyone would not vote for Obama is
because he is black and they are racist?
. . . ronn! :)
i am voting for obama BECAUSE he is black; many more will vote for mc cain to
prevent a black man
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From: John Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: USA Presidential Race
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
John Garcia
At 07:00 PM Monday 6/9/2008, John Garcia wrote:
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Ronn! Blankenship
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 09:04 AM Monday 6/9/2008, John Garcia wrote:
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
John Garcia wrote:
At 07:32 PM Monday 6/9/2008, jon louis mann wrote:
Is the implication that voters must either vote for Obama or be
bigots, iow, the only reason anyone would not vote for Obama is
because he is black and they are racist?
. . . ronn! :)
i am voting for obama BECAUSE he is black; many
Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
At 07:32 PM Monday 6/9/2008, jon louis mann wrote:
...
i am voting for obama BECAUSE he is black; many more will vote
for mc cain to prevent a black man from winning...
Sorry if this comes as news to you, but that makes you just as much
of a racist bigot as
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 9:12 PM, Ronn! Blankenship
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 07:00 PM Monday 6/9/2008, John Garcia wrote:
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Ronn! Blankenship
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 09:04 AM Monday 6/9/2008, John Garcia wrote:
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 3:13 PM,
- Original Message -
From: jon louis mann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:32 AM
Subject: USA Presidential Race
Is the implication that voters must either vote for Obama or be
bigots, iow, the only
At 10:10 PM Monday 6/9/2008, Wayne Eddy wrote:
- Original Message -
From: jon louis mann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:32 AM
Subject: USA Presidential Race
Is the implication that voters must
On Jun 9, 2008, at 5:32 PM, jon louis mann wrote:
Is the implication that voters must either vote for Obama or be
bigots, iow, the only reason anyone would not vote for Obama is
because he is black and they are racist?
. . . ronn! :)
i am voting for obama BECAUSE he is black; many more
On Jun 9, 2008, at 8:10 PM, Wayne Eddy wrote:
- Original Message -
From: jon louis mann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:32 AM
Subject: USA Presidential Race
Is the implication that voters must either
On 07/06/2008, at 2:22 AM, John Garcia wrote:
Now that it looks like it's McCain vs. Obama (listed in alphabetical
order)
I was wondering what you all think of this matchup. I'm especially
interested in what
our friends from outside of the USA think.
Young dynamic world-travelled senator
On 7 Jun 2008, at 06:41, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
At 10:42 PM Friday 6/6/2008, Wayne Eddy wrote:
I would have thought that Obama Clinton sniping at other over the
past
months will make it harder for the Democrats to win, but I can't
believe
that the American public will vote the
Now that it looks like it's McCain vs. Obama (listed in alphabetical order)
I was wondering what you all think of this matchup. I'm especially
interested in what
our friends from outside of the USA think.
john
___
John Garcia wrote:
Now that it looks like it's McCain vs. Obama (listed in alphabetical
order) I was wondering what you all think of this matchup. I'm especially
interested in what
our friends from outside of the USA think.
Here in Brazil it seems that McCain will easily win, and that
Hi John,
Here in Australia most people are rather bemused by how drawn out the
nomination process is, and wonder if it wouldn't be simpler to hold all the
primaries on a single weekend and get it over and done with.
I think the majority of the Australian public would prefer it if Obama is
the
At 10:42 PM Friday 6/6/2008, Wayne Eddy wrote:
Hi John,
Here in Australia most people are rather bemused by how drawn out the
nomination process is, and wonder if it wouldn't be simpler to hold all the
primaries on a single weekend and get it over and done with.
I think the majority of the
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