On 11 Mar 2003 at 17:08, Jon Gabriel wrote:
At 22:47 10-03-03 -0500, John Giorgis wrote:
Don't forget our wonderful, non democratic means for selecting a
president.
Well, there are a lot of advantages to republican government over
democratic.
What are those alleged advantages, and
At 09:24 PM 3/11/2003 -0800, you wrote:
Erik Reuter wrote:
You claimed that directly attacking terrorist killers is a bad idea
because more will be created by your actions than you eliminate.
Now you apologize, but do you now retract that claim as being a bad
metaphor? I am not being deliberately
Japan Ups Diplomatic Pressure on Mexico
The Associated Press
Tuesday, March 11, 2003; 9:43 AM
Japan upped diplomatic pressure on Mexico Tuesday to help push through a
U.S.-backed war resolution, as it tries to pull in key votes on the U.N.
Security Council.
Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi
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On
Behalf Of Doug Pensinger
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 2:02 AM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: Re: [Humor] RE: Who is the sheriff?
Jon Gabriel wrote:
It didn't exactly sound like a warning encouraging American
self-examination
At 09:24 PM 3/11/2003 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote:
Are we prepared to be at a state of war
for many years to come?
I think that this was precisely the point of the axis of evil one year ago.
JDG
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If the vehicle wasn't banned, why did the Iraqis try dismantling it before
the inspectors arrived?Is this full cooperation?
JDG
Iraq Drone Scrapped After U.N. Inspection
Chemical-Delivery Aircraft Not Divulged
By Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, March 11, 2003; Page
At 10:03 PM 3/11/2003 -0800 Nick Arnett wrote:
You are not just taking a stand for what you believe in, you are also taking
a contemptuous stand against anyone who disagrees. And make no mistake, I
see this just as plainly in many of those who are against this war. That is
the behavior of fear
On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 , Nick Arnett wrote:
Can we please, here at least, acknowledge that there is a range of
positions one can take?
Can we please, here at least, talk about reality instead of an ivory
tower fantasy land?
Well, the pragmatic reality of every nation on earth, including ours,
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Behalf Of Erik Reuter
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Can we please, here at least, talk about reality instead of an ivory
tower fantasy land?
I don't see anything there but an ad hominem.
Do you claim regime change in
Iraq is a mistake?
--- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't think I've called people jackasses and
anti-American for their
positions on this war. I hope I've refrained
entirely from name-calling.
I'm trying to hang onto respect when people who are
pro and anti war seem to
demand that each of us
On 12 Mar 2003 at 1:25, Jon Gabriel wrote:
This is *awful*...but good sick gallows humor...
Cowboys and Muslims
snipped joke
This was incredibly offensive and not funny for so
many reasons. :(
I'm genuinely curious: would you have posted this if
it had a German
From: Andrew Crystall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:34:03 -
On 12 Mar 2003 at 1:25, Jon Gabriel wrote:
This is *awful*...but good sick
Fortune Magazine's site has an article on where the bottled stuff comes
from:
http://www.fortune.com/fortune/thisjustin/0,15704,428850,00.html
Excerpt:
THIS JUST IN
Eau, Neau!
Ever wonder what's in those little bottles of water you pick up at the
health club or those gallon jugs you lug home
On 12 Mar 2003 at 6:22, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
to actually discuss. So who is polarizing things
here?
I will call you on it.
Frankly, YOU seem to be offering a blunt and un-thoughtthrough
viewpoint from my POV.
Andy
Dawn Falcon
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On 12 Mar 2003 at 9:51, Jon Gabriel wrote:
On 12 Mar 2003 at 1:25, Jon Gabriel wrote:
This is *awful*...but good sick gallows humor...
Cowboys and Muslims
snipped joke
This was incredibly offensive and not funny for so
many reasons. :(
I'm genuinely
From: J. van Baardwijk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I just don't think that it makes sense to have two types of
resolution. I
mean, what's the point of making a resolution if you can't
enforce it? It's
just a waste of time and money then; such a system turns the
UN into a paper tiger.
I
On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 03:31:46PM -, Andrew Crystall wrote:
On 12 Mar 2003 at 6:22, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
to actually discuss. So who is polarizing things
here?
I will call you on it.
Frankly, YOU seem to be offering a blunt and un-thoughtthrough
viewpoint from my POV.
John Horn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At some point they ran a comment from a person expressing
concern that one side or the other might make a miscalculation and
the situation might spiral out of control. I can think of
situations where a miscalculation caused a war (the
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From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 12:03 AM
Subject: RE: US out of UN?
I'm in favor of doing away with the polarizing rhetoric that divides us,
to
take us back to the subject you were
Jon Gabriel wrote:
Fortune Magazine's site has an article on where the bottled stuff comes
from:
http://www.fortune.com/fortune/thisjustin/0,15704,428850,00.html
Excerpt:
THIS JUST IN
Eau, Neau!
Ever wonder what's in those little bottles of water you pick up at the
health club or those
See all the way at the bottom now we know another
reason why the US won't sign the ICC Treaty.
JDG
Bush Lobbies For Deal On Iraq
Plan Would Set Deadlines, Goals
By Karen DeYoung and Colum Lynch
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, March 12, 2003; Page A01
President Bush
John D. Giorgis wrote:
If the vehicle wasn't banned, why did the Iraqis try dismantling it before
the inspectors arrived?Is this full cooperation?
JDG
Iraq Drone Scrapped After U.N. Inspection
Chemical-Delivery Aircraft Not Divulged
By Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writer
Doug Pensinger wrote:
That's true, but you have to consider that terrorists don't fall out of
the sky.
They do when they hijack a plane and crash it. :P
(I know that's not what you meant in the context in which you delivered that
sentence.)
Julia
Having Pups Over Pluto And The Planetary Misfits Of
The Kuipers
As king of the Kuipers should Pluto remain an
honourary planet until something bigger is found
beyond Neptune
by Robert Sanders
for Berkeley NewsCenter
Berkeley - Mar 12, 2003
Ask any kid how many planets are in our solar system,
On 12 Mar 2003 at 10:56, Erik Reuter wrote:
On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 03:31:46PM -, Andrew Crystall wrote:
On 12 Mar 2003 at 6:22, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
to actually discuss. So who is polarizing things
here?
I will call you on it.
Frankly, YOU seem to be offering a
Jon Gabriel wrote:
IMO, that doesn't make the joke acceptable. I do understand where
you're coming from, but I still disagree. There isn't a stated goal
of male Americans raping and murdering women either but you won't see me
joking about that (hopefully extremely) rare occurrence for any
REVIEW OUTLOOK
Bush in Lilliput
Delaying action in Iraq is endangering American lives.
Wednesday, March 12, 2003 12:01 a.m. EST
Wall St. Journal
The Bush Administration is putting a special focus on
winning the support of Guinea . . .--page A3,
yesterday's Wall Street Journal.
We've never
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Subject: Re: [Humor] RE: Who is the sheriff?
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:58:41 -0600
Jon Gabriel wrote:
IMO, that doesn't make the joke acceptable. I do understand
[U.N. Chapter VII Resolution 1441]
However, it appears as I write this that the major states are not
going to agree to follow-up action -- they will not agree to the
`serious consequences' of the resolution.
Did the resolution set a deadline? Is it possible that
On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 06:14:53AM -0800, Nick Arnett wrote:
Erik Reuter wrote
Can we please, here at least, talk about reality instead of an ivory
tower fantasy land?
I don't see anything there but an ad hominem.
Interesting that you see it in others writing, but not in yours.
Do
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-2474902,00.html
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The New York Times
March 12, 2003
The Right War for the Right Reasons
By JOHN MCCAIN
WASHINGTON ? American and British armed forces will likely soon begin to
disarm Iraq by destroying the regime of Saddam Hussein. We do not know
whether they will have the explicit authorization of veto-wielding
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Gautam Mukunda
...
Actually, you've been the worst of anyone here,
because you are a good enough writer that you can
subtly imply what you're not willing to say outright -
that the people who disagree
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Behalf Of Erik Reuter
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No, of course not. There are a number of factors affecting unity, of
which whether we refrain from pointing out the likely consequences of
someone's position is only a small part.
Having Pups Over Pluto And The Planetary Misfits Of
The Kuipers
Yawn. It's so obvious what should be a planet. An
object big enough to dominate graviationally its
orbital neighbourhood is a planet. Else, it's part
of an asteroid belt.
So, Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter,
In a message dated 3/12/2003 9:34:04 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ask any kid how many planets are in our solar system,
and you'll get a firm answer: nine. But knock on a few
doors in Berkeley's astronomy department, and you'll
hear, amid the hemming and hawing,
--- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Disagree with the stand that you say I'm not taking?
Your side of the political spectrum, perhaps. I'm
sure you have _some_ sort of an opinion.
It's hard to have an actual debate with people who
are already decided they
are right. Where, in all
What are a hundred thousand frenchmen with their
arms raised?
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The French Army
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Gautam Mukunda
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Your argument would be more credible if you, you know,
actually _did_ imply anything negative about the
similarly behaving anti-war folks.
Let me know if you find it in what I've
http://www.wired.com/news/wireless/0,1382,58006,00.html
As if putting them in tires Or money wasn't bad enough.
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Jon Gabriel wrote:
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [Humor] RE: Who is the sheriff?
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:58:41 -0600
According to _The Gift of Fear_ by Gavin de Becker, 75
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:09:44 -0600
Jon Gabriel wrote:
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs
Robert J. Chassell wrote:
Part of my concernt has to do with how different people view reality.
For example, in a recent essay, Thomas Friedman asked whether Iraq a
clear and present danger in itself to the United States? This is how
Friedman frames the question.
But I don't think Bush
At 04:00 PM 3/12/03 -0300, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Having Pups Over Pluto And The Planetary Misfits Of
The Kuipers
Yawn. It's so obvious what should be a planet. An
object big enough to dominate graviationally its
orbital neighbourhood is a planet. Else, it's part
of an asteroid belt.
So,
At 07:32 PM 3/11/03 +, William T Goodall wrote:
I came across a story about this amazing chap at [snip]
Corcoran, CA? Corcoran, MN?
(I had never heard of either until I read this message and did a Google
search to find out where the city he represents is
located, since it isn't otherwise
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 07:32 PM 3/11/03 +, William T Goodall wrote:
I came across a story about this amazing chap at [snip]
Corcoran, CA? Corcoran, MN?
(I had never heard of either until I read this message and did a Google
search to find out where the city he represents is
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From: Andrew Crystall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: Who is the sheriff?
Yeah, but the system America uses is horribly over-complex. I'm in
favour of a partial-list (much like
At 01:52 PM 3/11/03 -0600, Julia Thompson wrote:
Miller, Jeffrey wrote:
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From: Julia Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 08:19 AM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: Re: Man wins tie sex ruling
William T Goodall wrote:
Ties
At 11:30 AM 3/11/03 -0800, Miller, Jeffrey wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Julia Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 08:19 AM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: Re: Man wins tie sex ruling
William T Goodall wrote:
Ties are for weddings and funerals,
At 02:13 PM 3/11/03 -0600, Julia Thompson wrote:
(And there wasn't all *that* much¹ poop. Just a little gloppier than I like
to deal with, but that'll be over sometime after he's finished the course of
antibiotics.)
Thanks for giving us the straight poop.
(¹Relative to what, one wonders . . .
At 06:06 PM 3/11/03 -0800, Nick Arnett wrote:
Okay, now I have *that* off my chest. I think I'm more grumpy than usual,
after having my intestines cleaned out over the last 24 hours and inspected
today.
Just keep telling yourself, This, too, shall pass.
Bright Side Maru
--Ronn! :)
Bush and Osama decided to settle the war once and for all. They sat
down and
decided to settle the whole dispute with one dog fight. They would have
5
years to breed the best fighting dog in the world and whichever side's
dog
won would be entitled to dominate the world.
Osama found the
At 18:06 11-03-03 -0800, Nick Arnett wrote:
The United States has gone to war a number of times without UN
support. Why should this time be any different, if we do so? Aren't we
taking the UN *more* seriously this time around, by working so hard to
gain its consent? We're hardly acting as
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:18:34 -0600
At 11:30 AM 3/11/03 -0800, Miller, Jeffrey wrote:
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From:
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From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Humor] RE: Who is the sheriff?
Jon Gabriel wrote:
IMO, that doesn't make the joke acceptable. I do understand where
you're
At 08:20 AM 3/12/03 -0500, Erik Reuter wrote:
Where is yours? You keep changing the subject away from how to deal with
Saddam and instead attacking those who are discussing how to deal with
him.
How do you think Saddam should be dealt with?
-- Ronn! :)
Your message here!
(Call for rates.)
I've found some contradictory info on this question on the internet and
thought I'd take advantage of all the technical expertise on this list to
see if I can get a definitive answer:
Can a hard drive that is connected to a system via a USB port be used as the
boot disk?
Reggie Bautista
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 02:13 PM 3/11/03 -0600, Julia Thompson wrote:
(And there wasn't all *that* much¹ poop. Just a little gloppier than I like
to deal with, but that'll be over sometime after he's finished the course of
antibiotics.)
Thanks for giving us the straight poop.
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This is incredibly wonderful news. I didn't have much hope for her last
summer, a few days after she was taken. I am *so* glad this story has an
ending not involving the death of a child!
Julia
I just saw it in the news, and I couldn't be happier for that
Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo wrote:
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This is incredibly wonderful news. I didn't have much hope for her last
summer, a few days after she was taken. I am *so* glad this story has an
ending not involving the death of a child!
Julia
I just saw it
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From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 1:09 PM
Subject: Anti-French Joke
What are a hundred thousand frenchmen with their
arms raised?
.
The French Army
[for the translation, Alberto
On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, at 04:32 PM, J. van Baardwijk wrote:
At 18:06 11-03-03 -0800, Nick Arnett wrote:
The United States has gone to war a number of times without UN
support. Why should this time be any different, if we do so? Aren't
we taking the UN *more* seriously this time
At 05:01 PM 3/11/2003 + Robert J. Chassell wrote:
So, to return to the question, who should employ the `sheriff'?
* Should the rest of the world depend on the US?
Yes.I simply don't trust anyone else at this point.Ultimately, I
see the US as being ultimately responsible to itself,
At 12:15 PM 3/10/2003 -0800 Deborah Harrell wrote:
What do you choose?
As I have pointed out before, I haven't seen enough
info to agree that Iraq is a direct threat to the US
which would justify our 'going alone' (with a few
others);
In 1998, the UN said that Hussein had vast quantities of
At 05:01 PM 3/11/2003 + Robert J. Chassell wrote:
Anyhow, this makes the rest of your propositions irrelevant. but
here are my answers just for yucks.
What should be the criteria of membership? Should a new government
include everyone as the UN now does?
No.
It should be limited
At 01:00 AM 3/5/2003 -0600 Marvin Long, Jr. wrote:
Saddam is as guilty as sin but if containment can keep him as
relatively weak as he is now, then perpetuating that state of affairs is
the lesser evil
Two questions for you Marvin:
1) Do you consider the ability to use massive amounts of
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From: Andrew Crystall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: Who is the sheriff?
On 12 Mar 2003 at 15:34, Dan Minette wrote:
Yeah, but the system America uses is horribly over-complex.
At 16:27 12-03-03 -0600, Reggie Bautista wrote:
I've found some contradictory info on this question on the internet and
thought I'd take advantage of all the technical expertise on this list to
see if I can get a definitive answer:
Can a hard drive that is connected to a system via a USB port
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