Re: Memorial Ruled Unconstitutional

2004-06-16 Thread Doug Pensinger
JDG wrote: You have stated that you believe the VFW is Constitutionall prohibited because it is, quote, exclusionary and offensive. I don't believe I ever said anything about the VFW except that their involvement in this argument is irrelevant. By allowing the religious symbol to remain

RE: Requests for Proposals

2004-06-16 Thread Andrew Paul
From: Dan Minette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I haven't noticed any changes toward right dictatorships under Bush 1 and Bush 2 except for turning against the former US supported creations that went too far - Noriega and Saddam. Why don't the data convince you? Are you arguing

Re: Memorial Ruled Unconstitutional

2004-06-16 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 09:02 PM 6/15/04 -, iaamoac wrote: Slate's most excellent Dahlia Lithwick had a great article yesterday explaining why in fact that US Supreme Court decision was not ducking the issue, but in fact made the correct decision: http://slate.msn.com/id/2102381/

Re: Requests for Proposals

2004-06-16 Thread Gary Denton
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 13:39:15 -0500, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 12:03 PM Subject: Re: Request for Proposals snip Panama is better, the family of

RE: Request for Proposals

2004-06-16 Thread Andrew Paul
From: iaamoac [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, I happen to know that there are a number of critiques of Bush's foreign policy on this List. Thus, I thought that it would be interesting to solicit recommendations for what to do about Iran here. I look forward to your thoughts.

Re: From 79% to 3% of my free email space used...

2004-06-16 Thread Gary Denton
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 13:27:21 -0700 (PDT), Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and I didn't have to do a thing! Yahoo just upgraded my account from 4-100MB storage. Wonder if they're competing with Gmail (is that correct?) recently launched. Oh, dear...you know that phrase about

Re: [Listref] Cicadas and Venus transit

2004-06-16 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 02:52 PM 6/15/04 -0700, Deborah Harrell wrote: http://science.nasa.gov/spaceweather/venustransit/gallery_08jun04_page9.htm http://makeashorterlink.com/?X17162398 Every 17 years, a dozen states from Delaware to Illinois are treated to a springtime emergence of the Brood X (Magicicada

RE: [Listref] Cicadas and Venus transit

2004-06-16 Thread Andrew Paul
From: Ronn!Blankenship [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] snip I'm surprised that I haven't heard more from the nutball contingent about this portending the end of the world (like apparently everything else does) . . . -- Ronn! ;-) (I am having e-mail problems this weekend.) See,

Re: Request for Proposals

2004-06-16 Thread Gary Denton
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 21:35:54 -0500, The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Iran is _*Already*_ Massing troops on the Iraq border for just that: According to GOP Moonie Propagandist Newspaper / UPI: http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040615-055649-4707r.htm Iran massing troops on Iraq

Re: Request for Proposals

2004-06-16 Thread Erik Reuter
On Wed, Jun 16, 2004 at 07:11:56PM +1000, Andrew Paul wrote: but then I am not Iranian. If I was, I would probably think it was a damn fine idea, and do my best to make it happen cos, as North Korea seems to demonstrate, once you have them, then the Big Bad Yankees leave you alone. Perhaps

Re: [Listref] Cicadas and Venus transit

2004-06-16 Thread Gary Denton
On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:30:10 +1000, Andrew Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Ronn!Blankenship [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] snip I'm surprised that I haven't heard more from the nutball contingent about this portending the end of the world (like apparently everything else does) . .

Winning Hearts and Minds

2004-06-16 Thread Gary Denton
AP - A poll of Iraqis commissioned by the U.S.-governing authority has provided the Bush administration a stark picture of anti-American sentiment - more than half of Iraqis believe they would be safer if U.S. troops simply left. The poll, commissioned by the Coalition Provisional Authority last

Re: Request for Proposals

2004-06-16 Thread Gary Denton
On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 06:13:09 -0400, Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jun 16, 2004 at 07:11:56PM +1000, Andrew Paul wrote: but then I am not Iranian. If I was, I would probably think it was a damn fine idea, and do my best to make it happen cos, as North Korea seems to

Re: Tytlal designed test at an Uplift Ceremony

2004-06-16 Thread David Hobby
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tytlal designed test Trying to give clearer statements: OK... I'm thinking of using this as a test at the Rousit Uplift Ceremony: - You are a Rousit in a party of ten Rousits. Since you can't speak, the tytlal are going to work on an equal level and only

Re: Terrorism too close to home...

2004-06-16 Thread JDG
At 01:22 AM 6/16/2004 -0400 JDG wrote: At 11:17 AM 6/15/2004 -0500 Gary Denton wrote: I don't know, I am a couple miles from a petrochemical plant and never think about terrorists attacking it. Then again, you've probably never watched an airplane crash into an office building ten miles away from

Re: Tytlal designed test at an Uplift Ceremony

2004-06-16 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 6/16/2004 4:49:09 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why not Hands can not touch the cream nor a band from the rim of the pie to the middle. And Cream may not touch table or ground. And that 100 percent of the cream from two of the pies must make it

NORAD

2004-06-16 Thread iaamoac
This is an old article, but it was still absolutely fascinating. http://slate.msn.com/id/2060825 This article was reprinted because the (cough, cough) 9/11 Commission has also concluded that NORAD dropped the ball on 9/11. JDG ___

Re: Memorial Ruled Unconstitutional

2004-06-16 Thread Julia Thompson
JDG wrote: At 09:36 PM 6/15/2004 -0700 Doug Pensinger wrote: Because it is on U.S. Government property it isn't the VFW's speech that is in question. Because it is on U.S. government property is the U.S. Government's speech. The VFW doesn't figure at all in the decision, their involvement

Re: Memorial Ruled Unconstitutional

2004-06-16 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 12:17 AM Subject: Re: Memorial Ruled Unconstitutional At 12:09 AM 6/16/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote: The VFW often burns flags John. :-) You caught me!

Re: Memorial Ruled Unconstitutional

2004-06-16 Thread Richard Baker
Doug said: Eliasberg scoffed at the government's argument that the site is a war memorial. That doesn't honor Muslim veterans, Jewish veterans, atheist veterans or agnostic veterans, Eliasberg said. It's a preeminent symbol of a religion. If we want to have a war memorial on federal land,

Re: Request for Proposals

2004-06-16 Thread Richard Baker
Erik said: Perhaps if you were a stupid Iranian, you might have that opinion. Perhaps owning nukes forces governments to grow up a bit because countries with nuclear weapons are forced to enter the highly rational world of mutual deterrence or else face total disaster. (They may not have to

Re: Request for Proposals

2004-06-16 Thread Erik Reuter
On Wed, Jun 16, 2004 at 08:23:15PM +0100, Richard Baker wrote: Erik said: Perhaps if you were a stupid Iranian, you might have that opinion. Perhaps owning nukes forces governments to grow up a bit because countries with nuclear weapons are forced to enter the highly rational world of

Weekly Chat Reminder

2004-06-16 Thread ssloan
This is just a quick reminder that the Wednesday Brin-L chat is scheduled for 3 PM Eastern/2 PM Central time in the US, or 7 PM Greenwich time, so it started about two hours ago. There will probably be somebody there to talk to for at least eight hours after the start time. See my instruction page

Re: Terrorism too close to home...

2004-06-16 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Julia Thompson wrote: As far as sacrificing someone else to save my kids, I might very well. Killing someone in defense of my children is something I would do if I had to. /me too, I would easily trade half of Earth - say, the useless and evil northern hemisphere - for any of my kids. But it

Re: Hannity Again

2004-06-16 Thread Julia Thompson
JDG wrote: At 11:45 PM 6/12/2004 -0500 Julia Thompson wrote: JDG wrote: At 11:02 AM 6/12/2004 -0500 Robert Seeberger wrote: --===1385683643== Another poll on Hannity's site was poked this week. I'm glad to see that the list conversation persisted at a high level

Re: Request for Proposals

2004-06-16 Thread Gary Denton
On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:51:39 -0400, Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps you are being dangerously naive and foolishly optimistic. The leaders of are irrational and corrupt. Wishing nuclear weapons in their hands is insanity. Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ 1.

The Holy Grail of Safety (was: Terrorism too close to home)

2004-06-16 Thread Deborah Harrell
Gary Nunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Would I give up some liberties to ensure their [his children's] safety? Absolutely. Yet, your giving up your liberties will not protect your family from some determined fanatic who has decided to protest his relative insignificance on the world's stage

Re: NORAD

2004-06-16 Thread Deborah Harrell
iaamoac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is an old article, but it was still absolutely fascinating. http://slate.msn.com/id/2060825 This article was reprinted because the (cough, cough) 9/11 Commission has also concluded that NORAD dropped the ball on 9/11. OK, I may be just

Re: Request for Proposals

2004-06-16 Thread Erik Reuter
On Wed, Jun 16, 2004 at 04:55:21PM -0500, Gary Denton wrote: 6. A strong case could be made for another country. Bullshit. As bad as Bush and Co. are, I'd take them over Iran's leaders any day. It's not even close. That you would claim otherwise shows that you are either naive or ignorant.

Re: Request for Proposals

2004-06-16 Thread Bryon Daly
From: Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Perhaps owning nukes forces governments to grow up a bit because countries with nuclear weapons are forced to enter the highly rational world of mutual deterrence or else face total disaster. (They may not have to enter into an arrangement of mutual deterrence

Re: The Holy Grail of Safety (was: Terrorism too close to home)

2004-06-16 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 5:06 PM Subject: The Holy Grail of Safety (was: Terrorism too close to home) Debbi who BTW waves and grins at Dan ;) smiling and waving back Are

RE: Request for Proposals

2004-06-16 Thread Andrew Paul
From: Erik Reuter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, Jun 16, 2004 at 07:11:56PM +1000, Andrew Paul wrote: but then I am not Iranian. If I was, I would probably think it was a damn fine idea, and do my best to make it happen cos, as North Korea seems to demonstrate, once you have

RE: NORAD

2004-06-16 Thread Andrew Paul
From: Deborah Harrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] iaamoac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is an old article, but it was still absolutely fascinating. http://slate.msn.com/id/2060825 This article was reprinted because the (cough, cough) 9/11 Commission has also concluded

Re: Request for Proposals

2004-06-16 Thread Nick Lidster
- Original Message - From: Bryon Daly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 8:29 PM Subject: Re: Request for Proposals From: Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Perhaps owning nukes forces governments to grow up a bit because countries with nuclear

Re: Request for Proposals

2004-06-16 Thread Nick Lidster
- Original Message - From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 7:29 AM Subject: Re: Request for Proposals On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 21:35:54 -0500, The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Iran is _*Already*_ Massing troops on

Re: Request for Proposals

2004-06-16 Thread Damon Agretto
mig 29 34 Moderately potent and modern aircraft. But only 34... su 2486 Ground attack. f-14 247 Good luck getting spares... f-7 287 Chinese MiG-21 knock-off f-4 472 Good luck getting spares... f-5 197 Obsolete (unless its the CHINESE F-5 [MiG-17]

The Founders on Separation of Church and State: Jefferson

2004-06-16 Thread Doug Pensinger
To messers. Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, Stephen S. Nelson, a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut. Gentlemen The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist

The Founders on Separation of Church and State: Madison

2004-06-16 Thread Doug Pensinger
From a letter to Jasper Adams, president of the College of Charleston, 1832 I must admit moreover that it may not be easy, in every possible case, to trace the line of separation between the rights of religion and the Civil authority with such distinctness as to avoid collisions doubts on

Re: Request for Proposals

2004-06-16 Thread Julia Thompson
Nick Lidster wrote: Irans standing power is 912,569 (2004 est.) mixture of all branches, including law enforcement. 3000 troops sure isn't a large force, but lets not forget that they have an air force as well; mig 29 34 su 2486 f-14 247 f-7 287 f-4 472

Re: NORAD

2004-06-16 Thread Julia Thompson
Andrew Paul wrote: According to our morning news, the 9/11 commission has conclusively established that there was no link between Saddam and Al Qaeda. Is this what you read from it, or is that a misquote? What I heard regarding it was that there was no direct link between 9/11 and Iraq, but

Eh?

2004-06-16 Thread William T Goodall
http://www.guardian.co.uk/online/story/0,3605,1239982,00.html?=rss A brewing standards war may yet derail the progress of digital music, or end Apple's dominance of the market. Apple finds itself - just as it did in the PC business - offering a proprietary solution with its iPod and iTunes